Das Martina-Upgrade: Sickle Cut Into Your Defense - Road to WWC 2019 [R]

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by Lea_Schueller, Dec 1, 2018.

  1. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Yes... I don't think Leupolz is better than a positionally assured, tactically responsible DM like Goeßling, and would feel her talents better suited to being a CM.

    But seeing how she's clearly learning the role at club and international levels, with coaches that seem to struggle with the basic concept of constructing teams around the responsibility of a dedicated DM; for better or worse, Leupolz has to start EVERY match for Germany at the WC.

    Because without the basic cover she provides the CB's, this teams ability to produce controlled football continues to fall apart very quickly.
     
  2. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    I feel it's quite refreshing that Batfink loves to post so much, especially the inner workings of the dfb as well as every detail of every game. At least showing a passion that seems to be missing from most of posts at the rest of the international forum where they might dutiful post the latest scores & updates, but i's obviously they don't watch a single woso game/ Then you got these trolls that rep posts of people that don't even watch. So it's easy to see how the Big Soccer forum is in decline. Hopefully it will improve with the WC when at least broso fans will come over.
    Over here there's a lot of criticism of Jill Ellis, even though she's kept the US at #1, so it's understandable that Batfink feels likewise and it's two countries that are really competitive & have a winning is everything attitude(which in part is really needed to win the WC) as compared to your Norway where the top player, Ada, don't even bother with the NT, lol.
    German soccer is very interesting, even though the Bundesliga been in decline with various top domestic & foreign talents leaving for greener($$) pastures. The coaching(whether its club or NT) is what makes it more fascinating, it gives the game an almost. chess like feel, about the game(as compared to the US with its more direct approach, which can be more effective, but can be mundane to watch after a while) Plus, adding more excitement is the extensive gambling involved(whether its woso or Jorgie), but the over handed coaching seems to come at a price to a point that German players can't seem to reach their full or natural potential(that's why I think it's been hard on them to get a top striker.
    So overall I do want Germany to succeed, as they keep(as I've mentioned about the most interesting country in the world of soccer out there).
    And whats the alternative these days if they don't succeed? I mean even at the broso WC finals you had two countries that didn't do little more than use their combined athleticism & talents to get them there; in the final, Croatia pretty much attacked on their left side for the 1st half, which didn't work, then got the bright idea, to just attack on their right side during the next half France, meanwhile just waited & countered, which might of been good strategy, but I've seen u11 teams been able to pull off the same, lol/maybe pundits might say it's different, but thats the way it seemingly played out.
    So it;s go for broke with Germany, Don't think there's much parity in woso, so at least one of the other giants(France & the US) will knock each other out at the quarters(if everything goes as predicted), but there always going to be a spoiler, a team that keeps it potential well hidden till the WC, so we'll see
     
  3. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    LOL, a bold claim to make... but I guarantee they all watch way more matches, and see more of the best/in form players than I do.
    Looking at past trends, and the supposed quality of other leagues, I'm not convinced about this statement actually being true; as to me this just sounds like more post Euro's partisanship being spread by people holding on to the hope a strong German women's football scene no longer relevant...:rolleyes:
    So we're going to forget how this "over handed coaching" also see's super creative CAM's like Marozsan come through the same system...:confused:.
     
  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    And the major male tournaments before that saw Spain as one of the most tactical and technical teams of all time dominate everything... so...
    No you don't lol... Germany are the LAST wnt program most American's/neutrals will ever want to see operating at it's full potential, as they know it would completely diminish and eventually remove the mystique of the USwnt being one of sports popular dominant irresistible forces.

    With factors like this globally marketed mystique of the perpetually strong USwnt, currently being at the forefront of their players trying to argue themselves into being paid more/equal, than their struggling men's team.

    Meaning we all know opportunities like this money dispute, probably never having a realistic chance of happening within a time line Germany leads stronger Euro wnt's against the USwnt winning WC's and Olympic's. Seeing a reality poor German wnt's become reigning Olympic champions lol, having been a PK away from potentially knocking the US out of the last WC too.
     
  5. hotjam2

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    but Spain only won the WC one time;) and the squad that arguably had the most influence in soccer tactics over the last 45 years, the Dutch 1974 NT, lost!(in the finals)
     
  6. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    #256 hotjam2, Apr 21, 2019 at 8:08 AM
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    I know it can be frustrating to see the US still on top of the rankings, as well as going through this decade with the best record in terms of winning major world tourneys. Especially since they do very everything so different than the traditional. European methods. But it's no exception either with #2 Japan(not ranked #2, but winning 1 major tourney & making the finals 2 other times, this decade), they do things vastly different from both Europe & the US

    not to put all of Europe in the same category' France seems to have gone way more athletic with their players, while still trying to maintain a more technical approach, the English seem to want to play the more athletic game, without rally all that athletic players. And then Germany, who just stays technical with just technical players

    from your post, I gather you feel the US success is primarily due to money it's spends on it's NT. But that's due more that for the longest time we didn't have a major or pro league/or only lasted a few years, & even now the USSF has to pay the salaries of their NT players instead of the NWSL clubs. Spending more money hasn't made England the best NT in Europe either.

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    by all accounts, Americans shouldn't be nowhere near the top. we have two high negatives going against us

    1) over 99% of our players never play the FIFA version of soccer. Instead they play what guess we can call 'unlimited subs', This is just not for kids/youth, unlimited subs version goes all the way through to college & the 2nd tier/semi pro club adult leagues.

    just think if basketball followed the FIFA rules(with limited, one time, subs), the game would be played at a very slower pace, as the players would have to catch their breaths at one point or another & would be nowhere near the uptempo game than it's now(with obviously the 30 second shot clock would be abandoned). So hence,the unlimited sub rule, this is why Americans play soccer so 'direct'.

    2) my own daughter now plays college ball. There's more than a half dozen Euro players on the squad & yep, they are so way much more advanced in terms of skill/technical merits

    so proving once again, your way better trained in your youth going through academy style training by a local pro club in Europe than the thousands of mom & pop travel club system that we got in the states

    .And then of all things, the one Nigerian & Jamaican girls on the squad, are by far the fastest on the team(thus proving Americans aren't the most athletic!)

    So again ,its confusing as to why the US is top, I really think it comes down to that we made some how female soccer, a very popular sport to get into, especially from youth to college ages. and from that enough quality players have emerged/Don't know how this compares to Europe but I've often read stories from top players that they grew up playing on boys squads since there were no girls teams to be found
     
  7. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    And Spain's consecutive Euro victories either side of that WC win don't count for anything, because...?

    Plus it doesn't make your points on athleticism anymore valid trying to use history either, as the two most successful international teams in this sport are Brazil, and Germany; with both nations having implemented very different styles/philosophies to attain success, but constantly maintaining pretty high appreciations for the games technical and tactical nature too.

    So we all know very different types of styles can find individual success, but over a longer extended periods of time, I would find it highly disingenuous to claim athleticism on it's own the biggest deciding factor in men's/women's football, knowing how little actual success some of the planets most athletically gifted nations have seen in this sport.
     
  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    #258 Batfink, Apr 21, 2019 at 8:39 AM
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    As somebody who's actually spent a little more time than you paying attention to the Japanese wnt, I find it amusing seeing you use them as an example of nations attaining success by doing things differently, when past posts suggest you really don't understand, or care to know, what these differences actually are lol.

    Trust me... it's not as vastly different from anything I mention whenever discussing Germany.
    Then Germany actually face these teams, and your repeated views of them containing underwhelming levels of athleticism doesn't seem to be as big a factor as you persistently claim...:rolleyes:

    Plus you look at junior levels of this game, and it's hardly compelling evidence to prove Germany's wnt program lacking athleticism, when it's more obvious they just haven't always moved the ball as quick or precisely as they really should; which always makes German players appear far slower than they really are.
     
  9. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    #259 Batfink, Apr 21, 2019 at 8:45 AM
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    I can tell you with complete assurance, North American female players having access to something as ludicrous as Title IX will always play a MASSIVE role in their ability to maintain wnt level success.

    But without a crazy piece of legislation like this ever having the chance of existing outside of the US, I feel like most North American's will remain truly oblivious to the uphill race most wnt's are still running to simply be competitive at each and every WC.

    Honestly... all the money and elite infrastructure involved within European football, if UEFA ever told it's various federations to divert 1% of their total revenue towards the development of women's football, I doubt the USwnt/Canada, even top ten nations anymore... that's how big I feel this advantage of Title IX is.
     
  10. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    oh yes, the Euro's mens championship, who can forget the CR7 less Portugal winning last time. Or Greece's brilliant 2004 squad or Denmark 1992 or even the Czech's in 1976 impact in their future successes? lol
    absolutely correct that the US success in the 1st WC was due to Title IX. but after 27 years, Europe should of gotten it's act together. Instead the legitimate money out there is spend by the super rich clubs in vein attempt to win the CL to the point of ruining the competitiveness of their own leagues.

    the US college scene isn't a bed of roses either, NCAA rules permit only 9 full scholarships(tuition & room/board) but no extra monetary allowances. A lot of those 'free rides' are given to foreign athletes since they got the extra burden of flying to & back of their countries 2-3 times an year(which of course is not payed by the schools). The college soccer programs tends to push their players from more serious academics to lesser ones. Upon graduation, the player be probably stuck with a certificate to teach PE at a school than a medical or science major.
    There seems to a bucking of a trend recently where American players like Horan & Pugh have forgone college to play pro(same probably will be with the Canadian, Huitema),. Then earlier this year, this one 13 year old prodigy signed an reported over $300k contract with Nike. But that makes her now ineligible to play college ball & no pro team(NWSL) is allowed to sign her until she turn 18 years old

    The UWSNT has it's own problems, even though they should of the biggest pool of players to choose from, it can not put an indefinite amount of players under contract(aprox 20 players) & Jill Ellis tends to keep he same ones, thus will probably have the oldest team in the WC(10 players over the age of 30), plus she probably face France in the quarters(the one team that knows how to beat the US). So don't think their going to win this time
     

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