CWC: Saprissa still hasn't been matched

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions Cup' started by ZeekLTK, Dec 20, 2011.

  1. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    In 2005, in the first CWC (of the current format), Saprissa represented CONCACAF; beating OFC's representative, falling to Liverpool, but then beating AFC's representative to win 3rd place.

    Since then, no CONCACAF representative has been able to match this (neither win TWO games in a single tournament or WIN a medal)

    Since 2006 only Mexican clubs have qualified to the CWC and none of them have managed to win a medal yet. In the meantime, Asia has won 4 medals (all bronze), and Africa has won 1 bronze and also is the only other continent besides Europe/South America to have a team play in the championship (and win silver).

    Is CONCACAF getting weaker? Or are the other confederations (Africa and Asia) getting stronger? Why do we keep having such a consistently poor performance in this tournament?
     
  2. BKR inC

    BKR inC Member+

    Feb 9, 2007
    Australia
    Its hard to say to answer the question you have to check all the team that competed and see how they were going at the time they competed (answer question like were they struggling in the league, did they lose key players at the time, change of management, off-field drama etc.)

    also in my belief i think they other confederation are getting stronger
     
  3. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you are the sort who like to rate these things by a five-year point average, here is my list.

    Since Asia is the only continent to have two teams in this (all five years), then I only took the higher-placed team of the two. (Averaging the two would cause them damage in the rankings, because the second team would be much weaker than the overall #2 team in the confed), and moved up all teams below them up.

    Hence, there are only six ranks for each year (even though the tournament had seven teams each of these years).

    One note on year 2007. That year, there were co-#5's awarded in the tournament bracket; the other years the seven teams had all their own ranks. However, due to the second Asia side beine one of the #5's, this list have a distinct ordering for all continents.

    This point system simply gives 6 points to the champion, down to 1 point for sixth place. In this point system Africa and Concacaf end up tied. But in some other point systems that I experiment with (awarding more points for top-two or top-three finishes), Africa somes out ahead of Concacaf due to that one second-place finish.

    Continent; 2011; 2010; 2009; 2008; 2007; [Total]
    Europe; 6; 6; 6; 6; 6; [30]
    South America; 5; 4; 5; 5; 5; [24]
    Asia; 4; 3; 4; 4; 4; [19]
    Africa; 2; 5; 1; 2; 3; [13]
    North and Central America; 3; 2; 3; 3; 2; [13]
    Oceania; 1; 1; 2; 1; 1; [6]
     
  4. themightymagyar

    Aug 25, 2009
    Indianapolis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was going to point out that Asia keeps getting two teams. So thank you. But you should have taken the continental champ, instead of just the higher placed team.
     
  5. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    The AFC champion has always had a better final placement than the host club.

    Overall I think it's safe to say that the AFC has been the most consistent from the "emerging" confederations at the CWC. The African clubs tend to be a mixed bag, either really impressive or flat across the board (no CAF team has been able to win the 5th place match, even against OFC clubs.) Of course CAF is the only confederation that has been able to disrupt the traditional Europe/SA final.

    That sets them apart from CONCACAF for now.
     
  6. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Fack the AFC. They can keep their 3rd place medals

    Any asian team ever do this

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CUY7L9qe94"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CUY7L9qe94[/ame]


    Tying the game with an olympic goal!! Then an injured player with a bleeding head comes back into the game to score the winning goal in the 89th minute with a bicycle kick!!!!!!

    Bicampeones!! Bicampeones!! Bicampeones del Mundo!!! OLE OLE OLE!:cool:
     
  7. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Saudi Arabia in 1989.

    But what does National team tournaments have to do with club football?
     
  8. El Chuma

    El Chuma BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 17, 2005
    San Diego
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude its a kids tournament...
     
  9. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    that kids tournament is the most prestigous trophy any Concacaf team has ever won regardless of age, club or nt :rolleyes:

    I´d rank it ahead of Mexico´s Confederations Cup trophy, Pachuca´s Sudamericana, any of the mexican team´s CCL, and of course the bottom of the barrel that is the gold cookie cup.
     
  10. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I was referring to the olympic goal, bicycle kick straight out of a hollywood movie ending ;)



    not much:D
     
  11. Intru

    Intru Member

    Mar 16, 2006
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Puerto Rico Islanders
    A troll trolling a troll great....
     
  12. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I won´t go off topic again


    A mexican team will get at least 3rd place in the 2012 CWC :cool:
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Males, maybe (I would say Confederations cup)

    But if we are going to go off topic, then the Women USA National team, 2 World cups. ;)
     
  14. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Necaxa placed 3rd...
     
  15. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    LMAO!! c`mon man women`s football is a joke

    U17 mens WC title > senior womens NT title

    at least in the males U-17 we are already seeing players get playing time in 1st division like Fierro and even scoring goals like Bueno. Like I would ever watch women`s club or nt football lol. a lot of male tournaments would come before a womens WC lol

    but we are getting off topic so agree to disagree then
     
  16. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True lets agree to disagree, but Womens world cups gets you this.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    LOL!! what stars over the crest....so do mens league titles! keyword mens.

    I`ll take this

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  18. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    [​IMG]

    even

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    over a womens WC...enjoy watching the wusa LOL!!!
     
  19. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to start a poll asking people here which of those they would rather win.
     
  20. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    cool :)
     
  21. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I've been predicting that since 2006. I further predicted a Mexican club would be the first one to disrupt the traditional UEFA/CONMEBOL final.

    Not this year.
     
  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well that didn't pan out.

    Mighty
    TP Mazembe! :D
     
  23. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Its not like they havent been real close. They have been penalty shootouts away from the bronze medal
     
  24. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    thats still pathetic.
     
  25. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    looks like the people have voted!

    clearly U-17 mens > WWC ;):)
     

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