Review: Croatian players in Yugoslavian national team - historic injustice

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  1. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
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    Once upon time there was a large country named Yugoslavia.

    Yugoslavia is a term that describes three political entities that existed successively on the western part of the Balkans, during most of the 20th century. The constituent six Socialist Republics and two Socialist Autonomous Provinces that made up the country were: SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, SR Croatia, SR Macedonia, SR Montenegro, SR Slovenia and SR Serbia (including the autonomous provinces of Vojvodina and Kosovo which after 1974 were largely equal to the other members of the federation. Starting in 1991, the SFRY disintegrated in the Yugoslav Wars which followed the secession of most of the country's constituent entities. The next Yugoslavia, known as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, existed until 2003, when it was renamed Serbia and Montenegro.

    Yugoslavia was a very good football team during that time. It consisted from players of all republics: SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, SR Croatia, SR Macedonia, SR Montenegro, SR Slovenia and SR Serbia (including the autonomous provinces of Vojvodina and Kosovo. At the end of this saga, Serbia got all titles. I will make a demographic analyze and ethnicity of players in Yugoslavian national football team since 1930-1941 and since 1945-1990.

    World Cup record

    1930 FIFA World Cup: Yugoslavia entered in semifinals, achieved 4th place.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:

    Yugoslavia had 17 players:
    16 players were pure Serbians, one was of mixed German/Czech ethnicity Ivan Bek. Head coach of Yugoslavia Boško Simonović was Serbian.

    Yugoslavia scored 7 goals and received 7 goals on 1950 FIFA World Cup.

    Serbian players scored: 4 goals
    German/Czech player scored: 3 goals
    Serbian goalkeeper received: 7 goals

    1934 FIFA World Cup and 1938 FIFA World Cup Yugoslavia did not enter on these tournaments.

    World War II came, Croatia got their Independence. Before the nation's independence, Croatian footballers played for the national teams of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1919–39) and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1945–90), though during periods of political upheaval, ethnically Croatian sides sometimes formed to play unofficial matches. A hastily-arranged national side, managed by Hugo Kinert, played a few private domestic matches in 1918–19. In 1940, Jozo Jakopić led an unofficial national team representing the Banovina of Croatia in four friendly matches: two against Switzerland and two against Hungary. Croatia made their debut as an independently sanctioned team by defeating the Swiss 4–0 in Zagreb on April 2, 1940.
    Following invasion by the Axis powers, the Croatian Football Federation became briefly active, joining FIFA on July 17, 1941 as the Independent State of Croatia. The national side, under the direction of Rudolf Hitrec, played fifteen friendly matches, fourteen as an official FIFA member.
    Croatia's first recorded result as a FIFA associate was a 1–1 tie with Slovakia on September 8 in Bratislava. Further matches were played until 1945 when the Independent State of Croatia was abolished and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia assumed control, thereby ending the team's affiliation with FIFA.
    From 1950 to 1956 another unofficial Croatian team was briefly active; it won games against Indonesia and a Yugoslav team playing as "Serbia".The Yugoslavia squad at the 1956 Summer Olympics included Croatian footballers,as did Yugoslavia in World Cup and European Championship tournaments up to 1990.

    1950 FIFA World Cup: Yugoslavia entered in Round 1, achieved 5th place.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:
    Head coach of Yugoslavia was Serbian Milorad Arsenijević.

    Yugoslavia had 22 players: 8 players were Croatians (Stjepan Bobek, Božo Broketa, Željko Čajkovski, Zlatko Čajkovski, Vladimir Firm, Ivica Horvat, Ivo Radovniković, Bernard Vukas), 12 players were Serbians (Aleksandar Atanacković, Ratko Čolić, Predrag Đajić, Miodrag Jovanović, Prvoslav Mihajlović, Rajko Mitić, Srđan Mrkušić, Tihomir Ognjanov, Branko Stanković, Kosta Tomašević, Siniša Zlatković, Vladimir Beara * (born and raised in Croatian city Sinj, first football steps he made in Croatian club NK Hajduk Split, played 136 matches, but he is ethnical Serb).

    1 player was Bosnian Muslim Ervin Katnić.
    1 player was of Hungarian ethnicity Béla Pálfi.

    Yugoslavian national team scored 7 goals and received 3 goals on 1950 FIFA World Cup.

    Croatian players scored: 3 goals
    Serbian players scored: 4 goals
    Serbian goalkeeper received: 3 goals

    1954 FIFA World Cup: Yugoslavia entered in Quarterfinals, achieved 7th place.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:
    Head coach: of Yugoslavia was Serbian Aleksandar Tirnanić.

    Yugoslavia had 22 players: 11 players were Croatians (Tomislav Crnković, Zlatko Čajkovski, Ivan Horvat, Bernard Vukas, Stjepan Bobek, Branko Zebec, Branko Kralj, Bruno Belin, Zlatko Papec, Dionizije Dvornić, Lev Mantula born in Bosnian city Sarajevo, he is of Croatian ethnicity), 10 players were Serbians (Vladimir Beara, Branko Stanković, Vujadin Boškov, Tihomir Ognjanov, Rajko Mitić, Ljubiša Spajić, Sima Milovanov, Miloš Milutinović, Todor Veselinović, Aleksandar Petaković), 1 player was Montenegrin (Miljan Zeković).

    Yugoslavian national team scored 2 goals and received 3 goals on 1954 FIFA World Cup.

    Croatian player scored: 1 goal
    Serbian player scored: 1 goal
    Serbian goalkeeper received: 3 goals

    1958 FIFA World Cup: Yugoslavia entered in Quarterfinals, achieved 5th place.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:
    Head coach of Yugoslavia Aleksandar Tirnanić was Serbian.

    Yugoslavia had 22 players: 6 players were Croatians (Tomislav Crnković, Branko Zebec, Ivan Šantek, Luka Lipošinović, Dražan Jerković, Gordan Irović - born in Sarajevo but his origins are from Dalmatia, Croatia, maybe Croatian), 14 players were Serbians (Vladimir Beara, Srboljub Krivokuća, Novak Tomić, Miloš Milutinović, Dobrosav Krstić, Vladimir Popović, Aleksandar Petaković, Todor Veselinović, Milorad Milutinović, Zdravko Rajkov, Radivoje Ognjanović, Nikola Radović, mixed Serbian/Macedonian Dragoslav Šekularac - born in Macedonia, 2 players were Montenegrins (Vasilije Šijaković, Ilijas Pašić)

    Yugoslavian national team scored 7 goals and received 7 goals on 1958 FIFA World Cup.

    Serbian players scored: 7 goals
    Serbian goalkeeper received: 7 goals

    1962 FIFA World Cup: Yugoslavia entered in Semifinals, achieved 4th place.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:
    Head coaches of Yugoslavia Ljubomir Lovrić and Prvoslav Mihajlović were Serbians.

    Yugoslavia had 22 players: 7 players were Croatians (Vlatko Marković, Petar Radaković, Andrija Anković, Dražan Jerković, Josip Skoblar, Željko Matuš, Mirko Stojanović), 11 players were Serbians (Milutin Šoškić, Vladimir Durković, Vladica Popović, mixed Serbian/Macedonian Dragoslav Šekularac, Milan Galić - born in todays Montenegro, Srboljub Krivokuća, Slavko Svinjarević, Vojislav Melić, Vladica Kovačević, Žarko Nikolić, Aleksandar Ivoš), 1 player was Montenegrin (Vasilije Šijaković), 1 player was Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim (Muhamed Mujić) - born in Mostar, Herzegovina1 player was Gorani Muslim (Fahrudin Jusufi), 1 player was Bosnian player, maybe Serbian ethnicity (Nikola Stipić, born in Bihac Bosnia and Herzegovina).

    Yugoslavian national team scored 10 goals and received 7 goals on 1962 FIFA World Cup.

    Croatian players scored: 7 goals
    Serbian players scored: 3 goals
    Serbian goalkeeper received: 7 goals

    1966 FIFA World Cup and 1970 FIFA World Cup Yugoslavia did not enter on these tournaments.

    1974 FIFA World Cup: Yugoslavia entered in Quarterfinals, achieved 7th place.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:
    Head coach of Yugoslavia Miljan Miljanić was Serbian.

    Yugoslavia had 22 players: 7 players were Croatians: (Ivan Buljan, Dražen Mužinić, Josip Katalinski, Ivica Šurjak, Jurica Jerković, Luka Peruzović, Franjo Vladić), 9 players were Serbians: Vladislav Bogićević, Ilija Petković - born in Croatia, Serbian ethnicity, Jovan Aćimović, Dragan Džajić, Miroslav Pavlović, Danilo Popivoda, Dušan Bajević, born in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Mostar, Serbian ethnicity, Vladimir Petrović, Ognjen Petrović), 3 players were Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslims (Enver Marić, Enver Hadžiabdić, Rizah Mešković), 1 player was Macedonian (Kiril Dojčinovski), 1 player was Serbian/Hungarian (Stanislav Karasi), 1 player was Slovenian (Branko Oblak).

    Yugoslavian national team scored 12 goals and received 7 goals on 1974 FIFA World Cup.

    Croatian players scored: 3 goals.
    Serbian players scored: 6 goals.
    Serbian/Hungarian scored: 2 goals.
    Slovenian player scored: 1 goal.
    Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim goalkeeper received: 7 goals.

    1978 FIFA World Cup Yugoslavia did not enter on this tournament.

    1982 FIFA World Cup: Yugoslavia entered in Round 1, achieved 16th place.:rolleyes:

    Squad of Yugoslavia:
    Head coach of Yugoslavia Miljan Miljanić was Serbian.

    Yugoslavia had 22 players: 6 players were Croatians (Ive Jerolimov, Ivan Gudelj, Velimir Zajec, Jurica Jerković, Stjepan Deverić, Ivica Šurjak), 10 players were Serbians (Dragan Pantelić, Nenad Stojković, Zlatko Krmpotić, Vladimir Petrović, Zvonko Živković, Ivan Pudar - born in Serbia, played in Croatia, not sure about his ethnicity, Miloš Hrstić - born in city Vojnic, Croatia, mayority of that city are Serbians, Miloš Šestić, Predrag Pašić, Ratko Svilar), 2 players from Bosnia and Herzegovina, brothers Zlatko Vujovic, Zoran Vujovic, they represent themselves as Croats, but they are probably of Montenegrin heritage, 1 Montenegrin player (Nikola Jovanović), 3 Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim players (Edhem Šljivo, Vahid Halilhodžić, Safet Sušić).

    Yugoslavian national team scored 2 goals and received 2 goals on 1982 FIFA World Cup.

    Croatian player scored: 1 goal.
    Serbian player scored: 1 goal.
    Serbian goalkeeper received: 2 goals.

    1986 FIFA World Cup Yugoslavia did not enter on this tournament.

    1990 FIFA World Cup: Yugoslavia entered in Quarterfinals, achieved 5th place.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:
    Head coach of Yugoslavia Ivica Osim is of unknown ethnicity. He describes himself as Bosnian, Yugoslavian.

    Yugoslavia had 22 players: 8 players were Croatians (Tomislav Ivković, Zoran Vulić, Davor Jozić, Alen Bokšić, mixed Croatian/Serbian Robert Prosinečki, Robert Jarni, Davor Šuker, Andrej Panadić), 4 players were Serbians (Vujadin Stanojković - born in Macedonia, Serbian ethnicity, Predrag Spasić, Dragan Stojković, Dragoje Leković), 2 players were Montenegrins (Dragoljub Brnović, Dejan Savićević), 5 players were Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim players (Faruk Hadžibegić, Safet Sušić, Fahrudin Omerović, Refik Šabanadžović, Mirsad Baljić), 1 player from Bosnia and Herzegovina, Zlatko Vujovic, he represents himself as Croat, but he is probably of Montenegrin heritage, 1 player was Macedonian (Darko Pančev), 1 player was Slovenian
    (Srecko Katanec).

    Yugoslavian national team scored 8 goals and received 6 goals on 1990 FIFA World Cup.

    Croatian players scored: 3 goals.
    Serbian players scored: 2 goals.
    Macedonian player scored: 2 goals.
    Bosnian Muslim player scored: 1 goal.

    In Quarterfinals Yugoslavia lost against Argentina, after 90 minutes it was 0-0, than they had penalties. Match finished 3-2 for Argentina. These goals are not included.

    Prosinecki (mixed Croatian/Serbian) and Savicevic (Monetenegrin) scored their penalties.

    Stojkovic (Serbian), Brnovic (Montenegrin), Hadzibegic (Bosnian Muslim) missed their penalties.

    1990. Yugoslavia fall a part.:) All titles and results from these World Cups went in Serbia as their own results. These informations prove historic injustice.:)
  2. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
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    European Championship record

    1960 European Championship: Yugoslavia entered in finals, achieved 2nd position.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:'_Cup_squads#.C2.A0Yugoslavia
    Head coaches of Yugoslavia Aleksandar Tirnanić, Ljubomir Lovrić, Dragomir Nikolić were Serbians.

    Yugoslavia had 18 players: 7 players were Croatians (Tomislav Crnković, Dražan Jerković, Tomislav Knez, Željko Matuš, Željko Perušić, Ante Žanetić, Branko Zebec), 9 players were Serbians (Vladimir Durković, Milan Galić, Bora Kostić, Jovan Miladinović, Žarko Nikolić, mixed Serbian/Macedonian Dragoslav Šekularac, Milutin Šoškić, Blagoje Vidinić, Zvezdan Čebinac), 1 player was Gorani Muslim (Fahrudin Jusufi), 1 player was Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim (Muhamed Mujić).

    Yugoslavia scored 15 goals and received 10 goals on 1960 European Championship.

    Croatian players scored: 4 goals.
    Serbian players scored: 10 goals.
    Bosnian Muslim player scored: 1 goal.'_Cup

    1964 European Championship: Yugoslavia did not enter on this tournament.

    1968 European Championship: Yugoslavia entered in finals, achieved 2nd position.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:
    Head coach of Yugoslavia Rajko Mitić was Serbian.

    Yugoslavia had 22 players: 3 players were Croatians (Dragan Holcer, Rudolf Belin, Mladen Ramljak), 15 players were Serbians (Ilija Pantelić, Milan Damjanović - born in Croatian city Knin, Serbian ethnicity, Borivoje Đorđević, Blagoje Paunović, Ilija Petković - born in Croatian city Knin, Serbian ethnicity, Dragan Džajić, Radomir Vukčević - born in Croatian city Knin, Serbian ethnicity, Ratomir Dujković - born in Croatian city Borovo, Serbian ethnicity, Rajko Aleksić, Miroslav Pavlović, Jovan Aćimović, Ljubomir Mihajlović, Ivica Brzić, Boško Antić - born in Bosnian city Sarajevo, Serbian ethnicity, Dobrivoje Trivić), 3 players were Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslims (Mirsad Fazlagić, Vahidin Musemić, Idriz Hošić), 1 player from Bosnia and Herzegovina, unknown ethnicity, he represents himself as Bosnian, Yugoslavian (Ivica Osim). He is probably Croatian or Serbian.

    UEFA Euro 1968 qualifying:

    Here you can see some Croatians, 1 Bosnian Muslim and 1 Montenegrin player who scored goals for Yugoslavia, but they weren't invited on the main tournament.

    In these qualifications Yugoslavia played against West Germany (1-0), Croatian Josip Skoblar scored.

    Yugoslavia played against Albania (2-0), Croatian Slaven Zambata scored both goals.

    Slaven Zambata:

    Yugoslavia played against West Germany (3-1), Croatian Slaven Zambata scored only goal for Yugoslavia, West Germany won.

    Yugoslavia played against Albania (4-0), Bosnian Muslim Edin Sprečo scored one goal, Montenegrin Vojin Lazarevic scored one goal and Ivica Osim scored two goals. Osim was invited on main tournament.:rolleyes:

    Yugoslavia scored 8 goals and received 3 goals.

    In final tournament of 1968 European Championship Yugoslavia played against England (1-0), Serbian Dragan Dzajic scored in that Semifinals.

    In finals Yugoslavia played against Italy. First match finished 1-1, Serbian player Dragan Dzajic scored.

    In the second match Italy won 2-0 and they won this European Championship.

    1972 European Championship: Yugoslavia did not enter on this tournament.

    1976 European Championship: Yugoslavia entered in semifinals, achieved 4th position.

    In these qualifications Yugoslavia played against Norway (3-1), Croatian player Josip Katalinski scored two goals, Serbian player Momcilo Vukotic scored one goal.

    Yugoslavia played against Northern Ireland and lost (1-0).

    Yugoslavia played against Sweden (2-1), Croatian player Josip Katalinski scored one goal, Serbian player scored one goal.

    Yugoslavia played against Norway (3-1), Croatian players Ivica Surjak and Ivan Buljan scored one goal, Serbian player Bogicevic scored one goal.

    Yugoslavia played against Sweden (3-0), Croatian players Franjo Vladic and Drago Vabec scored one goal, Slovenian player Branko Oblak scored one goal.

    Yugoslavia played against Northern Ireland (1-0), Slovenian player Branko OBlak scored one goal.

    Squad of Yugoslavia on the main tournament:
    Head coach of Yugoslavia Ante Mladinić is Croatian.

    Yugoslavia had 18 players: 7 players were Croatians: (Ivan Buljan, Dražen Mužinić, Josip Katalinski, Ivica Šurjak, Jurica Jerković, Luka Peruzović, Franjo Vladić), 6 players were Serbians: Jovan Aćimović, Dragan Džajić, Danilo Popivoda, Ognjen Petrović, Slaviša Žungul, Momčilo Vukotić), 4 Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim players (Edhem Šljivo, Vahid Halilhodžić, Enver Hadziabdic, Enver Marić), 1 player was Slovenian (Branko Oblak).

    Yugoslavia played on the main tournament in semifinals against West Germany, Yugoslavia lost (4-2), Serbian players Popivoda and Dzajic scored one goal.

    Yugoslavia played for the third place against Holland, Yugoslavia lost (3-2), Croatian player Josip Katalinski scored one goal, Serbian player Dzajic scored one goal.

    1980 European Championship: Yugoslavia did not enter on this tournament.

    1984 European Championship: Yugoslavia did enter on this tournament, achieved Round 1.

    Wikipedia has errors here:

    UEFA Euro 1984 qualifying Group 4:

    Yugoslavia had three defeats on the main tournament. Yugoslavia lost against Belgium (2-0), against Denmark (5-0) and against France (3-2). They scored 2 goals and they received 10 goals. These two goals scored Serbian players Sestic and Stojkovic.

    Squad of Yugoslavia:
    Head coach of Yugoslavia Todor Veselinović was Serbian.

    Yugoslavia had 20 players: 5 players were Croatians (Velimir Zajec, Ivan Gudelj, Tomislav Ivković, Josip Čop, Stjepan Deverić), 5 players were Serbians (Nenad Stojković, Miloš Šestić, Branko Miljuš - born in Croatian city Knin, not sure about him, I assume that he is of Serbian ethnicity, maybe he is of Croatian ethnicity, Dragan Stojković, Borislav Cvetković), 2 players were Montenegrins (Zoran Simović, Ljubomir Radanović), 5 players were Bosnia and Herzegovian Muslims (Mirsad Baljić, Safet Sušić, Mehmed Baždarević, Faruk Hadžibegić, Sulejman Halilović), 2 players were Slovenian (Srečko Katanec, Marko Elsner), 1 player was from Bosnia and Herzegovina, he represents himself as Croatian, but he is probably of Montenegrin ethnicity (Zlatko Vujovic).

    Yugoslavia also won gold medal in Summer Olympics (Rome).

    Yugoslavia in Rome:

    Andrija Anković - Croatian
    Zvonko Bego - Croatian
    Vladimir Durković - Serbian
    Milan Galić - Serbian
    Fahrudin Jusufi - Gorani Muslim
    Tomislav Knez - Croatian
    Borivoje Kostić - Serbian
    Aleksandar Kozlina - born in Croatia, probably Serbian.
    Dušan Maravić - born in France, Serbian.
    Željko Matuš - Croatian
    Zeljko Perusic - Croatian
    Novak Roganović - Serbian
    Velimir Sombolac - born in Bosnia, Serbian
    Milutin Šoškić - Serbian
    Silvester Takač - Serbian of Hungarian ethnicity, Takacs.
    Blagoje Vidinić - Serbian
    Ante Žanetić - Croatian

    Yugoslavia also won silver medals in Summer Olympics (London, Helsinki, Melbourne).

    Yugoslavia in London:

    Squad of Yugoslavia:'s_team_squads#.C2.A0Yugoslavia

    12 Croatian players (Stjepan Bobek, Miroslav Brozović, Željko Čajkovski, Zlatko Čajkovski, Zvonimir Cimermančić, Franjo Šoštarić, Bernard Vukas, Franjo Wölfl, Božo Broketa, Ivan Jazbinšek, Ratko Kacian, Frane Matošić).

    8 Serbian players (Aleksandar Atanacković, Miodrag Jovanović, Ljubomir Lovrić, Prvoslav Mihajlović, Rajko Mitić, Branko Stanković - born in Bosnia, Serbian ethnicity, Kosta Tomašević, Aleksandar Petrović).

    2 Hungarian players (Bela Palfi, Josip Takač) - maybe Croatian/Hungarian heritage.

    Yugoslavia in Helsinki:

    Squad of Yugoslavia:'s_team_squads#.C2.A0Yugoslavia

    9 Croatian players (Stjepan Bobek, Zlatko Čajkovski, Vladimir Čonč, Tomislav Crnković, Vladimir Firm, Ivan Horvat, Slavko Luštica, Bernard Vukas, Branko Zebec).

    9 Serbian players (Vladimir Beara-born in Croatia, Serbian ethnicity, Vujadin Boškov, Ratko Čolić, Dušan Cvetković, Milorad Diskić, Rajko Mitić, Tihomir Ognjanov, Zdravko Rajkov, Branko Stanković).

    Yugoslavia in Melbourne:

    Squad of Yugoslavia:'s_team_squads#.C2.A0Yugoslavia

    5 Croatian players (Mladen Koščak, Luka Lipošinović, Zlatko Papec, Ivan Šantek, Joško Vidošević).

    9 Serbian players (Sava Antić, Dobrosav Krstić, Vladica Popović, Petar Radenković, Kruno Radiljević - maybe Croatian, maybe Serbian, not sure, mixed Serbian/Macedonian Dragoslav Šekularac, Ljubiša Spajić, Todor Veselinović, Blagoja Vidinić).

    2 Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim players (Ibrahim Biogradlić, Muhamed Mujić)

    1 Montenegrin player (Nikola Radović).

    Yugoslavia also won bronze medal in Summer Olympics (Los Angeles).

    Squad of Yugoslavia:

    Mirsad Baljić - Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim
    Mehmed Baždarević - Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim
    Vlado Čapljić - born in Bosnia, Serbian
    Borislav Cvetković - Serbian
    Stjepan Deverić - Croatian
    Milko Đurovski - Macedonian
    Marko Elsner - Slovenian
    Nenad Gračan - Croatian, Serbian ethnicity I think
    Tomislav Ivković - Croatian
    Srečko Katanec - Slovenian
    Branko Miljuš - born in Croatia, probably Serbian
    Mitar Mrkela - Serbian
    Jovica Nikolić - Serbian
    Ivan Pudar - born in Serbia, maybe Croatian, not sure
    Ljubomir Radanović - Montenegrin
    Admir Smajić - Bosnian and Herzegovian Muslim
    Dragan Stojković - Serbian
    Coach: Ivan Toplak - Serbian

    Yugoslavia also won gold medals in Mediterranean Games (Izmir, Split).

    Most capped players in Yugoslavian national team:

    Name Career Caps Goals
    1 Dragan Džajić 1964 – 1979 85 23
    2 Zlatko Vujović 1979 – 1990 70 25
    3 Branko Zebec 1951 – 1961 65 17
    4 Stjepan Bobek 1946 – 1956 63 38
    5 Faruk Hadžibegić 1982 – 1992 61 6
    6 Branko Stanković 1946 – 1956 61 3
    7 Ivica Horvat 1946 – 1956 60 0
    8 Vladimir Beara 1950 – 1959 59 0
    9 Rajko Mitić 1946 – 1957 59 32
    10 Bernard Vukas 1948 – 1957 59 22
    11 Vujadin Boškov 1951 – 1958 57 0
    12 Blagoje Marjanović 1926 – 1938 57 36
    13 Jovan Aćimović 1968 – 1976 55 3
    14 Zlatko Čajkovski 1946 – 1955 55 7
    15 Fahrudin Jusufi 1959 – 1967 55 0
    16 Mehmed Baždarević 1982 – 1992 54 4
    17 Ivica Šurjak 1973 – 1982 54 10
    18 Safet Sušić 1977 – 1990 54 21
    19 Milorad Arsenijević 1927 – 1936 52 0
    20 Dragan Holcer 1965 – 1974 52 0

    You have here 7 Croatians and 2 that wants to be Croatians, because they feel like that: Zlatko Vujovic and Vladimir Beara, so there are 9 Croatians with most caps for Yugoslavia.

    You have here 7 Serbians.

    You have here 2 Bosnian Muslims.

    You have here 1 Gorani Muslim

    1987 FIFA World Youth Championship: Yugoslavia won this World Cup in Chile. Coach was Croatian Mirko Jozic.

    7 Croatians: Piplica, Stimac, Pavlicic, Jarni, Boban, Prosinecki, Suker (and the coach Jozic).
    7 Serbians: Lekovic, Petric, Skoric, Pavlovic, Jankovic, Antonic, Mijucic.
    4 Montenegrins: Brnovic, Zirojevic, Djurkovic, Mijatovic.

    If someone thinks that I have errors here, you can write and post your opinions about historic injustice in Yugoslavia. Same thing happened in every sport on every level in life of sportspeople. All results of Yugoslavia today has Serbia.:)

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    I don't know if Tomislav Piplica is croatian or bosnian.

    I remember when ex-Yugoslavia U20 won that WC in my country, everybody's was happy, because the football style that this NT showed was very atractive for us (both Germany's NT were very boring, and Chile was 4th).

    The best players were Robert Prosinecki(YUG), Zvonimir Boban(YUG), Camilo Pino(CHI, COBRELOA), Davor Suker(YUG) and Lukas Tudor(CHI).
  4. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Tomislav Piplica is born in Bosnia, city Bugojno.

    But he is ethnical Croatian. Bosnian nationality for real doesn't exist. There are three large ethnical groups; Muslims are the biggest, Serbian Orthodox are second and third ethnical group are Croatian Catholics, but Croatians aren't accepted as third nation. Bosnia and Herzegovina has many minority groups:

    48.0% Bosniaks = Muslims, but they don't like the Muslim name.:rolleyes: Bosniak is Croatian ancient name for Bosnian inhabitant.
    37.1% Serbs,
    14.3% Croats,
    0.6% others

    Bosniak -

    Bosnian Muslims stole the name Bosniak from Croatian medieval times. They even stole Croatian king of Bosnia Tvrtko I. as their important figure in their history.ć

    He ruled before Ottoman Empire came in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
    He was member of House of Kotromanić, which is Croatian family. But when you steal territory why not steal rulers.:Dć

    Croatians ruled first in whole Bosnia and Herzegovina, than Serbs came because they lost the battle against Ottoman Empire and Croats protected them. That's why Bosnia and Herzegovina will always be Croatian historical regions, because we came there first.

    Battle of Kosovo - Serbs today celebrate this battle even though Ottoman Empire won. Serbs lost all their battles in history. They won only in WW2, but not because their strength, yet because they choose the right side in that war. Croatia lost in WW2, this is the only defeat in our history.

    To bad that I didn't watched that U20 World Cup, Croatian experts often mention that period as healthy football school, it had firm background, style, organisation and talent.:) It's nice to know that Croatia has many fans in Chile, not only in Croatian community. I remember that you told me that everyone in Chile supported Croatia against Argentina in 1998, on World Cup in France.:D But Croatia don't have antagonism against Argentina. Because Croatia and Argentina had good relations, that's why Croats left in Argentina, Chile, Peru, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, USA, Canada with some traces in other south and central-american countries.

    Have you heard about some older players? I putted also World Cup in Chile 1962.

    What do you think about this injustice that Serbia got all results from Yugoslavian heritage? Number of Croats and other non-Serbian people in Yugoslavian team depended about political situation. You can see that coaches were always Serbians, only one time Croat ruled on some important level: Ante Mladinic.

    First world cup was almost completely filled with Serbs. I tried to be objective. Some players that have Serbian or Montenegrin heritage today declare themselves as Croats (Vladimir Beara, Zlatko Vujovic, Zoran Vujovic, Stanko Poklepovic, Pero Nadoveza...and many others) but they don't like to discuss about their heritage. Vladimir Beara was great goalkeeper of Hajduk Split, but I have putted him as Serb in these lists.

    Some Croats were born in Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia, but they are ethnical Croats (Tomislav Crnkovic, Luka Lipošinović).

    Croatia today has also large number of players that have Bosnian or Herzegovian heritage, but they choose to play for Croatia, because they are ethical Croats.

    Ivan Kelava - GK of Dinamo Zagreb has heritage from Herzegovina.
    Josip Joe Simunic - born in Australia, but his roots are from Bosnian city Kiseljak, ethnical Croat.
    Vedran Corluka - born in Bosnia, he and his family escaped from Bosnia in Croatia, they were refugees, escaped because Serbians and Muslims attacked Croatian cities in Bosnia.
    Dejan Lovren - born in Bosnian city Banja Luka.
    Darijo Srna - his father Uzeir is Bosnian Muslim. And his mother is maybe Serbian, not sure, but he declares himself as Croat.:rolleyes:
    Luka Modric - his mother Radojka from Zadar is Serbian, his father Stipe Croat from Zadar. Many Croats died in Zadar during Serbian agression, especially city Skabrnja.Škabrnja_massacre

    This red zone on the map is territory that Serbs wanted to get and clean that territory of Croatian people. Today on these areas still exists large Serbian community with Zagreb also. Serbs wanted to destroy 100% Croatian cities in that red zone.

    Ivan Rakitic - born in Switzerland, his father is from Bosnia, mother from Croatia, both ethnical Croats.
    Ognjen Vukojevic - born in Croatia, but his name and surname sounds Serbian.

    Chilean Tierra del Fuego is in Croatian language Ognjena Zemlja. Now you know what Ognjen means - fuego.:D

    Ivo Ilicevic - born in Germany, roots are from Bosnia, ethnical Croat.
    Milan Badelj - born in Zagreb, Serbian heritage.
    Mladen Petric - born in Bosnia, lived in Switzerland at his young age, ethnical Croat.
    Mario Mandzukic - Bosnian heritage, ethnical Croat.
    Nikica Jelavic - born in Herzegovina, ethnical Croat.

    Many of older players have heritage from Bosnia and Herzegovina:

    Bosnia: Mario Stanic.
    Western Herzegovina: Zvonimir Boban, Davor Suker, Zvonimir Soldo, Nikola Jurcevic, Dario Simic.

    You can see how big importance have Croatian players that have heritage from Bosnia and Herzegovina. 99% of players that play for Bosnia and Herzegovina are Muslims, maybe 3,4 Serbs and 3,4 Croatian that aren't good enough for Croatia and Serbia. In today's squad of Bosnia and Herzegovina:

    You have Croats: Boris Pandza, Sasa Papac, Gordan Bunoza, Josip Barišić, Jure Ivanković.

    Serbs: Zoran Kokot (Kokot means gallo in spanish), Stevo Nikolic, Boris Raspudic, Dario Puric, Velibor Vasilić, Vule Trivunović, Ognjen Vranješ, Zvjezdan Misimović.

    Others are Muslims.

    Some people say that they ara Bosnians, but this as nationality doesn't exist, only in new times. In Bosnia and Herzegovina lives three nations.

    Ethnic groups in Bosnia and Herzegovina: More than 95% of population of Bosnia and Herzegovina belongs to one of its three constitutive ethnic groups: Bosniaks (Muslims), Serbs and Croats.

    In Slovenia national football team you can find also many players with Muslim, Serbian or Croatian heritage.

    Bosnia and Herzegovina still doesn't have lyrics for their national anthem, only some melody. Flag is similar to Kosovo flag, they were both products of European Union, because neither side couldn't agreed with colors of the flag.

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    This article says that Piplica played for Bosnia-Herzegovina NT.
    I don't know what religion has Piplica(muslim or catholic).

    I was a kid, but I remember that NT (also I still have some football Chilean magazines of that U20 WC).

    In youtube there are some videos:

    Chile vs ex-Yugoslavia 2:4

    [ame=""]Chile v Yugoslavia 1987 World U20 Championships - YouTube[/ame]

    Brazil vs ex-Yugoslavia (bad quality video):

    [ame=""]Yugoslavia - Brazil 2-1 ... 1987 - YouTube[/ame]

    ex-Yugoslavia vs West Germany (you can hear the Chilean people supporting ex-Yugoslavia in the Boban's goal and during the penalty kicks):

    1rst part:
    [ame=""]Yugoslavia RFA Final 1987 I Parte - YouTube[/ame]

    2nd part:
    [ame=""]1987 Yugoslavia RFA Final 2 Parte - YouTube[/ame]

    I remember the Chilean press saying that Zvonimir Boban "fell in love" with a Chilean young woman (it never knows, probably was true hahah!)

    We have football rivalry with Argentina, so there was Chilean support (from a long distance) for Croatia, Jamaica, Japan, England and Netherlands in the games with our neighbours in that WC 1998.

    About 1962 WC in Chile, I've never seen the games (only few minutes). Jerkovic and Sekularac were the best known Yugoslavian players.

    It's hard to decide what to do with the points and results.

    It's not fair that Serbia got all the points and results, but it wouldn't be fair too if only Croatia, or only Bosnia-Herzegovina got all.

    Same problem with former USSR (in the 60s were more Russians in the Soviet NT, but in the 70s and 80s there were more Ukraininan than Russians, and some Belarussians, Georgians and Armenians too).

    Same thing happens in Spain (anthem). Their anthem doesn't have lyrics.:eek: (they have 4 languages: castilian, catalan, basque and galician).
    Catalan and galician are veary easy to understand for castilian-speakers like me, but basque language is totally different.
  6. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Piplica played for NT of Bosnia and Herzegovina because no one called him in Croatia. Back than we had great goalkeepers, so he never received any calls. His name Tomislav is the name of first Croatian king Tomislav.

    He united Croats from sea and Croats from continental space. His coronation was in West Herzegovina, city Tomislavgrad. Before that city had name Duvno.

    The Duvno field was place of his coronation. So it's hard to expect that Serbian or Muslim family would gave their child name Tomislav - first Croatian king.:D Tomislav Piplica shold be catholic. Don't know is he active in the church.:rolleyes: Interesting videos, thanks.:p Croatian team is everywhere well accepted, we played always good football, now we have some crisis, but when Slaven Bilic finally resigns things should be better, because our attackers score every week in European leagues. Also we have some good players in Dinamo Zagreb, Hajduk Split, Lokomotiva, RNK Split, talent is always visible. Our league isn't weak technically, but these clubs need experience in European matches, there is also problem with motivation and sometimes our clubs have bad luck. It would be nice to see Croatia in Poland/Ukraine and Brazil.:D

    In Croatian media we heard that Zvonimir Boban is gay, but he is married to Croatain woman Leonarda Boban. Also in France was a book about gay Croatian player Goran Klasic who had romantic moments with high school boy Mathieu Varenne in France. This footballer played in PSG in that book. Only Croatian player that played for PSG during 90's is Zlatko Vujovic.ć

    He is Montenegrin, but he declares himself as Bosnian Croat.:rolleyes: He has a borther Zoran Vujovic. These names and last name don't sound Croatian at all. Vujovic sounds more Montenegrin.

    Some speculations say that this book is about Zvonimir Boban. I can't say also that this book is a pure imagination, first of all if this book is fictional, why Croatian player, he could got better attention if author of the book had putted English or French player.

    Author of this book is: Nicolas Bendini. The book is published in Italy, country where Boban played. Some people say that this author is that high school boy. Author has good understanding of gay culture, sounds really realistic.

    Here is a web in Croatian that says about this book:

    Author said that book is fictional, but many situations sounds realistic.
    Also author wrights about that match in Zagreb against Crvena Zvezda 1990, where was fan escalation of violence. Key figure of that match was Zvonimir Boban, when he punched Muslim police officer who kicked Croatian fans of Dinamo Zagreb. Many people ask themselves why Boban punched that policeman? In police forces mainly non-Croatians worked. On that match special attention was directed against Dinamo fans. This match played on 13. May 1990. Some people like to think that this date is official date of war against Serbia and final nail in the coffin of artificial state Yugoslavia.

    Croatia as a national team really don't have true football rival: except Serbia, Montenegro, England and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Only against these opponents everyone could feel intensive atmosphere.:D

    Against countries of the "new world" we never had problems, violence. Our first friendly match was against USA. Croatian team has more friendly teams than unfriendly. During the years we maybe developed rivalry against some countries, but on healthy football rivalry (France, Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Brazil). Everyone likes to win against them, so do we.:D

    Croatia has true rivalry against countries on Balcan. Croatia played friendly match against Bosnia and Herzegovina and we saw Muslim fans who sang really offensive words. They tried to destroy the fence. Croatia won 5-3.

    [ame=""]BiH - Hrvatska 3:5 (Neredi na tribinama) - YouTube[/ame]

    I think that this was the last friendly match against Bosnia and Herzegovina.:D With this they erased friendship with Croatia. Also Muslim people in Bosnia and Herzegovina supported Turkey against Croatia on EURO 2008. In Bosnia and Herzegovina was many violence before and after this match in Vienna. Ottoman Empire formed today's Muslim community in Bosnia and Herzegovina, so they consider Turkey as "motherland or fatherland."

    Against Serbia we never had friendly match. We played only two official matches (0-0) in Belgrade and (2-2) in Zagreb. They kicked us from EURO 2000 in these two matches, because we lost against Ireland 1998 in qualifications. We were third on the world and maybe we didn't had any motivation to play on high level in these EURO 2000 qualifications.

    Yugoslavia (Serbia) - Croatia 0-0 - video: Serbians turned off electricity on this stadium so that they can provoke us.
    [ame=""]Jugoslavija - Hrvatska 0:0, Kvalifikacije za EURO 2000 - 18.08.1999. - Cela utakmica. - YouTube[/ame]

    Their name was Yugoslavia back than, but these players were Serbian and Montenegrin.

    Croatia - Yugoslavia 2-2 - video: [ame=""]Hrvatska - Jugoslavija 2:2 - Hrvatski komentator - Cela utakmica - 09.10.1999. - YouTube[/ame]

    Referee hasn't seen one goal here, Croatia should win 3-2, ball passed over the line, Davor Suker scored, but he said that the ball didn't pass the line.
    Before that match Dejan Savicevic was on one video where he offended Croatian fan on the street, you saw that before.

    Drazan Jerkovic was great player, he was Croat.žan_Jerković

    You can see here that he played only 21 match for Yugoslavia. He scored 11 goals for them, but he didn't had same conditions like Serbians or Montenegrins. Many Croatian players, Muslim players didn't had same conditions. I didn't find any Kosovian Albanian player in Yugoslavian team. They couldn't even speak Albanian language.

    After WW2 Croatia tried to get their independence in football at least, so you can see that Drazan Jerkovic played for Croatia in 1956 year. Because of that he couldn't play for Yugoslavia. He was unwanted. For Dinamo he scored 96 goals in 142 matches.

    Sekularac (Serbian-Macedonian) was a good player, but he said some offensive things in the media against Croatia, when he was old.
    Wikipedia considers him as Macedonian player, he was born in Macedonia, he has Macedonian mother, but his father is Serbian. Sekularac isn't Macedonian last name. Macedonian last name has -ovski, -oski, -ev mostly at the end of their last names.

    To scorer of Yugoslavian all time team was Stjepan Bobek - Croatian. He scored 36 goals.

    On this page I found some errors also:

    For example players from Bosnia and Herzegovina. Wikipedia putted some Croatian players in that country, they were born there, but Wikipedia doesn't understand ethnicity.

    They putted on player who was born near of Zagreb, pure Croatian, and he is in Bosnia and Herzegovina:

    Josip is Croatian name, his last name sounds like Czech, but he was from northern part of Croatia.

    Miroslav Brozovic played for Croatian team during WW2 and Wikipedia putted him in Bosnia and Herzegovina.ć

    Many important players from Bosnia and Herzegovina are Croats: Josip Bukal, Davor Jozić, Josip "Škijo" Katalinski (maybe Ukranian, Polish heritage, but he has Croatian name), Ivica "Švabo" Osim (his nickname was German - Aleman - Svabo, really don't know what ethnicity he is, Ivica isn't a Muslim name, but his last name don't say nothing), Blaž Slišković - is Croatian, but during Yugoslavia he was Yugoslavian, but he likes to have now rosary from Fatima, Portugal, holy water, when he coaches his team.:rolleyes: He scored goals from corner, great player, but many people said that he was lazy. He also married Serbian Bosnian handball player Svetlana Kitic.ž_Slišković

    Franjo Vladić - was also Croatian ethnicity.ć

    Dusan Bajevic is alo player from Bosnia and Herzegovina, but he is Serbian.šan_Bajević

    One player has uncommon name and last name, he is from Bosnia and Herzegovina: Nicole Verdugo, maybe he had Italian heritage, in Bosnia and Herzegovina live some Italians, Germans, Ukranians, Russians, Jewish, Roma people, but 95% are Croats, Muslims or Serbs.

    Other important players from Bosnia and Herzegovina are Muslims: Mirsad "Žvaka" Baljić (Zvaka - Chewing-gum nickname), Mehmed Baždarević, Mirsad Fazlagić, Džemal Hadžiabdić, Faruk Hadžibegić, Vahid Halilhodžić, Enver Marić, Muhamed Mujić, Vahidin Musemić, Haris Škoro, Safet Sušić). Muslims have Arabic or Turkish first names, but their last name is a variation of Slavenic structure and Turkish patronime (Fazlaga, Hadzi, Halil, Mujo). Last names Maric, Skoro you can find in Croatian and Serbian heritage also. Muslims from Bosnia and Herzegovina took over Croatian language and letter. Because of that they have Slavic structure in their last names. Many of them converted on Islam during Ottoman Empire by force or by personal wish. Before they were Croatian Catholics or Serbian Orthodox people.

    But new theories show that Muslims are Bogomils (Bogu mili in Croatian means Dear to God).

    It would be fair that all three nations got these results: Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, because Yugoslavia didn't had to much Montenegrin or Slovenian players. But it would be fair that they got also some results where they participated. But Serbia got all results from Yugoslavia in every sport, not just football.:rolleyes:

    Wikipedia did also some errors for Serbian players during Yugoslavia:

    Dragan Holcer isn't Serbian at all, born in Germany. He played in Hajduk Split and Radnicki Nis in Yugoslavian area. He left better trace in Croatian football. You have also several players that played for Croatian clubs but they were Serbians.

    Maybe I did here error with Dragan Holcer. I have putted him as Croatian, didn't saw his birthplace.

    Bernard Hügl - he is also Serbian, no way, pure German. In Serbian northern region Vojvodina you have many minorities:

    Vojvodina will leave from Serbia very soon, because no one likes to live with Serbians.

    Serbia did a clever thing also, when they give nationality to their minorities. for example you have Croats in Serbia, but also you have Bunjevci and Šokci as other two minorities.


    Bunjevci came from Dalmatia and Western Herzegovina in Serbia. Map said here very well.

    Šokci are also Croats:

    Dividing one nation in three you don't have danger of them.

    Serbia told them, you are Bunjevci and Sokci. Bunjevci came from river Buna in Western Herzegovina, that's why you have Bunjevci from Buna.

    In Serbia there are Croats: 56,546, Bunjevci: 19,776, Sokci: 1,864. Also in Serbia you have many undeclared and unknown people: 55,016, 23,774. I assume that they are scared to say what they are, they are not Serbians for sure. Serbians killed many Croats, Germans, Hungarians after WW2.

    "The Croatian German population reached a peak number of 85,781 in the 1900 census, while this number plummeted after the German exodus in the aftermath of World War II. After the war, 100,000 Yugoslav Germans fled to Austria. This population was not dealt with in the Potsdam Agreement which prevented them from being patriated to Germany. The Allies considered them Yugoslavian citizens and sought their repatriation there. However, on June 4 the communist Yugoslav regime released a decree that rescinded the citizenship of Yugoslavian Germans. Their property was henceforth confiscated, and the majority settled in Germany and Austria. Some managed to sneak back into Yugoslavia and returned to their homes."

    Serbian footballer Silvester Takač is Hungarian I think (Takacs).

    Fadil Vokrri is Albanian.
    Fahrudin Jusufi is Gorani nation.

    Gorani People:

    In Serbia you have also other national groups:



    But they don't have their country on Balkans, they are just there, don't know much about them.

    Pannonian Rusyns:

    Vojvodina was part of Austran Hungarian Monarchy, that's why she has interesting architecture.

    Wikipedia also putted Danilo Popivoda as Slovenian player, but he was pure Serbian.

    Chile 1962 World Cup: Yugoslavian Serbian player Vladimir Durković:ć

    "He died when mistakenly shot by a policeman in Sion, Switzerland in June 1972 at the age of 34."

    FIFA decided who will get these results from Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, because Belgrade and Moscow were the capitals of these large countries. Many Ukranians played for Soviet Union, some Armenians, Belarus people. But Russia and Serbia got all results in every sport.

    Bosnia and Herzegovina has same issue with national anthem like Spain. But it's also different. In Spain almost everyone are Christians, mostly Catholics, but in Bosnia and Herzegovina Muslims are the biggest nation, because they have many children, Serbians are the second large nation and Croats are third. No one knows what words, historical moments you can put in Bosnian national anthem. If you put something Serbian you are offensive against Croats and Muslims, if you put something Muslim, Serbs and Croats will be sad.:) In Bosnia and Herzegovina language isn't such a big problem, they understand there very well when they speak. Only Serbia has Cyrillic letter. Muslims took Croatian letter, language with some small mix of Serbian. Muslims don't have their language nor letter. They have some Turkish words that they left after Ottoman Empire like every nation in ex-Yugoslavia. In Croatian grammatical language some Turkish words don't have place, but some of them do have place in standard language.

    You can see some words from Turkish language that stayed in Croatia, but they have different letters, different way to wright them:

    In (tur.) is the word in original Turkish language. On the left you have Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian pronouncioation.

    In English these words mean:

    alat < tur. alat, eng. tool
    bakar < tur. bakır, eng. copper, Cobreloa:) Bakar is Turkish word.
    boja < tur. boya, eng. color
    bubreg < tur. böbrek, eng. kidney
    budala < tur. budala, eng. fool, idiot.
    bunar < tur. (dij.) bunar, tur. pınar, (place where you had water in old days and you could pull the watter with bucket.
    čak < tur. çak, eng. even
    čarapa < tur. çorap, eng. sock
    čičak < tur. çiçek, eng. burdock (plant:
    čelik < tur. çelik, eng. steel
    ćup < tur. kup, cup is this:


    dadilja < tur. dadı, eng. nanny that cares about children
    dućan < tur. dükkân, eng. store, mall.
    dugme < tur. düǧme, eng. button
    deva < tur. deve, eng. camel LOL
    džep < tur. cep, eng. pocket
    fitilj < tur. fitil, fitilj is this: you can use this words for "fitilj" in dynamite.


    jastuk < tur. yastık, eng. pillow
    jogurt < tur. yoğurt, eng. joghurt
    krevet < tur. kerevet, eng. bed
    kat < tur. kat, eng. floor (first, second...)
    kula < tur. kule, eng. tower
    kutija < tur. kutu, eng. box
    majmun < tur. maymun, eng. monkey
    oluk < tur. oluk, oluk is this:


    ortak < tur. ortak, eng. bussines cooperator
    pamuk < tur. pamuk, eng. cotton
    pekmez < tur. pekmez, eng. marmelade
    pilić < tur. piliç, eng. small chicken
    rakija < tur. rakı, ita. grappa, strong alcohol drink
    sapun < tur. sabun, eng. soap
    sat < tur. saat, eng. clock
    šećer < tur. şeker, eng. sugar
    tavan < tur. tavan, eng. attic
    temelj < tur. temel, eng. basis, foundation
    torba < tur. torba, eng. bag
    zanat < tur. zanaat ili sanat, eng. craft

    These words entered in standard Croatian language, but we are finding our words, many of them we found, but these are also acceptable.

    These words didn't entered in Croatian standard language:

    barjak (tur. bayrak; zastava) - eng. flag
    ćevap (tur. kebap) - product of meat
    merak (tur. merak; užitak) - eng. pleasure
    melek (tur. melek; anđeo) - eng. angel
    memla (tur. nemli; vlažan zrak) - eng. humidity
    paša (ili baša) (tur. paşa) - turkish ruler
    sikter (tur. siktir; odlazi) - eng. go away
    ekser (tur. ekser; čavao) - eng. nail
    pare (tur. para; novci) - eng. money
    kašika (tur. kaşık; žlica) - eng. spoon
    kijamet (tur. kıyamet; nevrijeme) - eng. storm, bad weather
    patlidžan (tur. patlıcan) - eng. eggplant
    ćufte (tur. köfte) - product of meat, meat rolls
    kapija (tur. kapı) - fence around the house
    jorgovan (tur. erguvan) - plant - she entered in Croatian standard language, don't know other word:

    avlija (tur. avlu; dvorište), eng. backyard
    baraka (tur. baraka), eng. shack, bad house
    komšija (tur. komşu; susjed), eng. neighbor
    jok (tur. yok; ne), eng. no
    pendžer (tur. pencere; prozor), eng. window
    sokak (tur. sokak; ulica), eng. street

    Croatian standard words for these Turkish words are: zastava, užitak...words after Turkish words.
  7. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    FIFA and UEFA bad decision:

    "Both FIFA and UEFA consider the Serbia national team the direct descendant of the SFR Yugoslavia national football team. In 2010, for the first time in history, Serbia was represented as an independent nation in the FIFA World Cup."

    "The Serbian national team was previously known as the Yugoslav national football team from 15 January 1991 until 4 February 2003, and then as the Serbia and Montenegro national football team until 3 June 2006 when Serbia declared independence as the successor state to the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro. It was officially renamed the Serbia national football team on 28 June 2006, while the Montenegro national football team was created to represent the new state of Montenegro."

    "Between 1921 and 1992, the team did not exist as we know it today, since Serbia was part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918–1943) and later on, of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1945–1991). The Serbia national team existed from 1919 to 1921, but ceased to exist following the creation of the first Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
    However, the Football Association of Serbia is a FIFA member since 1921 and a UEFA member since its creation in 1954. The Serbia national team is recognized, thanks to a mutual consent between both FIFA and UEFA, as the direct descendant of the Yugoslavia national team. Hence, the new national team formed in 1992 inherited of the full status, results, and achievements from Yugoslavia, which was not the case for any other country resulting from the breakup of Yugoslavia. Consequently, it did not have to apply to obtain a FIFA and UEFA status.
    A similar situation happened following Montenegro's decision to secede following a referendum held on 21 May 2006. Once more, Serbia inherited of the Serbia and Montenegro full status, and did not have to apply for a FIFA and UEFA status, while Montenegro was obligated to do so."

    "The Yugoslavia national football team represented the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918–1943) and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1946–1992) in association football. It enjoyed a modicum of success in international competition. In 1992, during the Yugoslav wars, the team was suspended from international competition as part of a United Nations sanction. In 1994, when the boycott was lifted, it was succeeded by the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia football team."

    The Football Federation of what was then the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes was founded in Zagreb, Croatia in 1919 under the name Jugoslovenski nogometni savez (and admitted into FIFA), and the national team played its first international game at the Summer Olympics in Antwerp in 1920. The opponent was Czechoslovakia, and the historic starting eleven that represented Kingdom of SCS on its debut were: Vrđuka-Croat, Župančić-Croat, Šifer-Croat, Tavčar-Slovenian, Cindrić-Croatian from Romania, Rupec-Croatian, Vragović-Croatian, Dubravčić-Croatian, Perška-Croatian, Granec and Ružić (can't find their ethnicity, but they are not Serbs).

    In 1929, the country was renamed to Yugoslavia and the football association became Fudbalski Savez Jugoslavije and moved its headquarters to Belgrade. :rolleyes:

    The national team participated in the 1930 FIFA World Cup and finished in fourth place. In its first ever World Cup match in Montevideo's Parque Central, Yugoslavia managed a famous 2-1 win versus mighty Brazil, with the following starting eleven representing the country: Jakšić, Sekulić, Tirnanić, Ivković, Bek, Đokić, Marjanović, Arsenijević, Vujadinović, Mihajlović, and Stefanović. The national team consisted just of Serbian players as it was boycotted by Croatian players at this World Cup due to the relocation of football association's headquarters from Zagreb to Belgrade.

    Now we know why were only Serbian players on World Cup in 1930.

    The federation and football overall was disrupted by World War II. After the war, a socialist federation was formed and the football federation reconstituted. It was one of the founding members of the UEFA and it organized the 1976 European Championship played in Belgrade and Zagreb. The national team participated in eight World Cups, four Euros, and won the Olympic football tournament in 1960 at the Summer Games (they also finished second three times and third once).
    Serbian Dragan Džajić holds the record for the most national team caps at 85, between 1964 to 1979. The best scorer is Croatian Stjepan Bobek with 38 goals, between 1946 and 1956.
    The under-21 team won the inaugural UEFA U-21 Championship in 1978.
    The Yugoslav under-20 team won the FIFA World Youth Championship 1987.

    With the dissolution of Yugoslavia, the team split up and the remaining team of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) was banned from competing at Euro 92. The decision was made on 31 May 1992 - just 10 days before the competition commenced. They had finished top of their qualifying group, but were unable to play in the competition due to United Nations Security Council Resolution 757. Their place was taken by Denmark, who went on to win the competition. Yugoslavia had also been drawn as the top seed in Group 5 of the European Zone in the qualifying tournament for the 1994 World Cup. FRY was barred from competing, rendering the group unusually weak.

    After the breakup of Yugoslavia, the FRY consisted of Montenegro and Serbia. The national team of Serbia and Montenegro continued under the name Yugoslavia until 2003, when country and team were renamed Serbia and Montenegro. With the independence of Montenegro in 2006, FIFA considers the national team of Serbia to be the successor of Yugoslavia.

    Croatian Football Federation was the oldest Federation in Yugoslavia:

    Croatian Football Federation - 1912
    Football Association of Slovenia - 1920
    Football Association of Montenegro - 1931
    Football Federation of Kosovo - 1946
    Football Federation of Macedonia - 1949
    Football Association of Bosnia and Herzegovina - 1992
    Football Association of Serbia - April 18, 1919/June 28, 2006 (autonomous Football Association of Vojvodina, January 9, 1949.)
    Football Association of (FR) Yugoslavia - 1992 -> Football Association of Serbia and Montenegro - 2003

    Football Association of Yugoslavia

    It was formed in 1919 in Zagreb under the Croatian name Jugoslavenski nogometni savez. FA became the temporary member of FIFA on May 4, 1921 and permanent member on May 20, 1923. The name later changed to Nogometni savez Jugoslavije. After disagreements between the Zagreb and Belgrade subassociations in 1929, the Assembly of Football Association of Yugoslavia was dissolved in 1929, subsequently with the 6 January Dictatorship; the association headquarters moved to Belgrade next year, on March 16, 1930 where the organization modified its name to Serbian Fudbalski Savez Jugoslavije.

    Croatia got only the results that they achieved during World War II. (1941-1945).

    Czech Republic and Slovakia:

    "The Czechoslovakia national football team was the national association football team of Czechoslovakia from 1922 to 1993. At the dissolution of Czechoslovakia at the end of 1992, the team was participating in UEFA qualifying Group 4 for the 1994 World Cup; it completed this campaign under the name Representation of Czechs and Slovaks (RCS). The subsequent Czech Republic national football team and Slovakia national football team are both recognised by FIFA and UEFA as successors of the Czechoslovakia team."

    The same thing should happened with Croatia and Serbia. Serbian players always had an advantage during Yugoslavia, on club level and on national team level. The good way for Serbians is to be always superior above others. Serbians would rather invite bad Serbian players than good Croatian players, just so that they can say: "On World Cup 1930. played only Serbians." This is a proof that the quality of footballers in Yugoslavia wasn't first condition, you just needed to be Serbian to be the coach of Yugoslavian national football team and they tried to have 1,2 player more compared to other republics.:)
    Serbians didn't liked the fact that headquarters of Yugoslavian Football Federation is in Zagreb, they did bad thing and relocated this headquarters in Belgrade, Serbia. Same thing happened in every sport (basketball, handball, waterpolo, tennis...etc.) Every result from World Cups, European Championships, Summer and Winter Olympic Games - everything got Serbia, even though in these teams were many participants from non-Serbian republics, especially from Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, with some traces with Slovenian, Montenegrin and Macedonian participants.

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:

    Also Fifa should give some points to Bosnia-Herzegovina, because there were many BH players in the former Yugoslavia NT during the 80's until the WC 1990 (I remember Omerovic, Hadzibegic, D.Jozic, Baljic, Sabanadzovic, Susic and Z.Vujovic).

    Yugoslavian NT in the WC 1990 was basically a Bosnian&Croatian NT, with a few serbians, macedonians, montenegrins and 1 slovenian.
  9. cromagnum

    cromagnum Member+

    Aug 13, 2007
    Jaime that 1987 team was a golden generation for Yugoslavia..I believe from that team Boban Suker Jarni Prosinecki and Stimac played for Croatia when they finished third in 1998..4 out of 5 of those players played for big clubs from that generation..Sadly i don't think Croatia will ever have a generation like they did in 1998..
  10. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Yes, Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina were key countries for Yugoslavia, with some influence of Montenegrin players. Macedonians and Slovenians maybe had 2,3 players.

    These players that you mentioned from Bosnia and Herzegovina are ethical Croats: D. Jozic. Zlatko Vujovic declares himself as Croat, but he is of Montenegrin origin, also his brother Zoran says the same. Others are Muslims from Bosnia and Herzegovina.

    Croatia today has a large influence in football from Bosnian Croats, Dalmatia and Herzegovina Croats. Some of them are from Croatian region Slavonia.

    But it's not fair that Serbia got all results, like there were 11 Serbs in every team.:rolleyes: They got that because of their influence, dirty games, manipulation. Many Ukranians played for Soviet Union and Russia got all results. Many people thinks that Croatian football exists 21 years, but these proofs say that Croatia has long term football tradition from the early XX. century.

    FIFA and UEFA don't understand at all difference between Serbian, Croatian, Muslim, Montenegrin, Macedonian and Slovenian last names. For them they are the same, or they pretend to think that way.

    But Croatian Football Federation also didn't tried to much, to get some reputation from Yugoslavia. Sad thing is that Serbia got results from every sport. Slovenians were great in winter sports, and Serbia got their results, even though they suck in winter sports. Slovenia and Croatia are the best Ski teams in ex-Yugoslavia.

    Montenegrins only have water polo, Serbians today have great tennis, great basketball, great water polo, average football team, very average handball team, they have a swimmer Milorad Cavic and that's all.

    Croatia has great handball, great water polo, good football team, football club in Champions League, good male Ski driver, female athletic - high jump, we had recently best female Ski driver on the world in Salt Lake City 2002, and Torino 2006, recently we had great tennis, we had great rowing - 8 members, 2 members, we had great swimmers recently, we had boxers, K1, Ultimate fight fighters, shooter from gun in Beijing 2008, we had great table tennis players male and female. We have diversity, Serbia don't have that.

    FIFA and UEFA needed to let every republic to play alone, like in United Kingdom, every state has their own teams. In sports that they are weaker, they called that Great Britain team, like in athletic, basketball I think, but football is different.

    List of Croatian sportspeople:

    List of Serbian sportspeople:

    Serbians have pool player Sandor Tot, pure Hungarian.:)

    List of Montenegrin sportspeople:

    List of Macedonian sportspeople:

    List of Bosnian and Herzegovina sportspeople:

    List of Slovenian sportspeople:
  11. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    We have talented footballers, but we need coach experts. This coach of Dinamo Jurcic sucked in Malmo, nobody has good opinion about him, rood, arrogant. You can always see same faces as coaches.:D (Branko Ivankovic, Nikola Jurcevic, Ilija Loncarevic, Ivan Katalinic, etc.) We need devoted coaches, not just products of nepotism and friendship with someone. We could pass the groups on World Cups 2002, 2006, if we had tactics. Watch these player now and how great they played in 2008. Players are just waiting that Bilic leaves.
  12. TheEuroStick

    TheEuroStick Member+

    Aug 8, 2011
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    hey guys i am TheEuroStick, i post on the bosnian sub-forum, i will post from time to time on here, i will post more once the world cup qualifiers start, i seen some of your guy's posts i also agree that its unfair that serbia got all the victories and achievements from Yugoslavia, but hey a thief will be a thief lol, i like to be a little sarcastic so don't take me to serious if something looks odd or to strange, feel free to come and post on the bosnian sub-forum if you guys want,
  13. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:

    What can you say about the role of Bosnia and Herzegovina in Yugoslavia? I found some players from Bosnia and Herzegovina, but I have putted them in ethnical measures, even though many of them were born in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Are you Bosniak (Muslim)?
    Clubs from Sarajevo and Mostar had a big influence in Yugoslavian national team.
    From Croatia you had Hajduk Split and Dinamo Zagreb, from Serbia you had Crvena Zvezda and Partizan. Do you think that the non-Serbian nations were inferior, that they couldn't play for Yugoslavia even though they were better than some Serbian players.

    Bosnia and Herzegovina is divided in three nations, but every nation has many talented players.

    What do you think when will national anthem of Bosnia and Herzegovina get lyrics? Why are Croats so inferior in Bosnia, Eastern Herzegovina? Croats only have peace in Western Herzegovina. This region has best economical standard in whole Bosnia and Herzegovina. UEFA and FIFA almost kicked Bosnia and Herzegovina, because they had 3 presidents, representing every nation in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

    Serbia got results from every sport.:rolleyes: One of the greatest historic injustice in sports.
  14. Northern Juventino

    May 25, 2011
    Juventus FC
    I remember the 1990 WC and Yugoslavia had a magnificient side that year. Only to lose to the Argentinians unluckily in PKs. That team really had a shot to win it all. Only if Balkan countries could set their stubborn differences aside a fabulous team could presently be made.
  15. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    That team was great, especially Croatian side.
    Balkan countries have problems in mutual politics, religious differences, regional differences inside of these republics. For example, Croatia was Serbian war target because of Croatian Adriatic coast, beautiful landscapes, they don't have sea, but we do have. Croatia was the richest republic during Yugoslavia and yet all financial income went in Serbia, capital city Belgrade. Croats never supported Yugoslavian team, because Croats in that team were always underrated and pressured because of their Croatian nationality and catholic religion. Serbians are orthodox. Nobody can't connect these different nations in one state. You have a nice example in Canada if you live there, people of French and English origins, Quebec, Toronto, Montreal. Same thing was in ex-Yugoslavia.

    Same thing is in sports. In every sport in which Yugoslavia participated you could see many Croatians, other republics didn't had so much influence, Slovenia was good in winter sports, Muslims from Bosnia and Herzegovina had several great players.

    Croatia didn't attacked Serbia on their territory. Serbians are specific people, primitive, disfunctional families, alcoholism issues. After World War II. Serbians killed many Croatians, Italians, Germans, because these nations lost in that World War II. Many Italians left Croatian regions Istria, Dalmatia, losing their homes, same is with other nations, especially if they were catholic and non-Serbian.

    Yugoslavian Football Federation was founded in Zagreb, Croatia, but Serbians took that headquarters by force and take it in Belgrade, Serbia. I wrote about this. Before World Cup in 1930 year, Croats boycotted Yugoslavian team because of this illegal transfer, so no one from Croatian players hasn't traveled on that World Cup. Number of Croatian players in Yugoslavian team depended how much Croatians were inferior. If you are inferior enough you could be invited, if you tried to ask your rights, you were deleted.

    Balkan Peninsula isn't just stubborn space. It's about taking away territory, influence, natural treasure and economical development. Croatians, Slovenians always worked for Serbia, they have their sentence: "Serbia is from Tokyo to Milwaukee". Imagine that.:rolleyes: They have problems in their heads, that's for sure. During Yugoslavia Albanians from Kosovo couldn't speak their own language, others could speak their language. Croats needed to speak Serbo-Croatian language. Why? If they were Croats?

    During Yugoslavian national league, all titles went for Partizan Belgrade or Crvena Zvezda, they bought matches, set ups, just so that Croatian best clubs: Hajduk Split and Dinamo Zagreb couldn't get their deserved titles.

    Serbia got sports results in winter games, everyone knows that Slovenia had good ski team, ski jump team. Serbia never had ski drivers. Croatia has good winter games team in recent ages.

    Serbians took everything, results in basketball, handball, tennis, volleyball, football and all other sports. In this every sport Croats participated. But World and European Sports Federations don't know the difference between Croatians, Serbians, Montenegrins. Bosnia and Herzegovina has three nations. Croats aren't accepted as constitutional nation even today, because they are the smallest nation in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Serbians and later Muslims entered in war with Croats in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Croatia won in that war for their independence, but there were many victims and refugees, especially civilians, children and old people. Croats aren't stubborn at all. They just want to live on their own ground, have their own territory.

    Croats came first at Balkan Peninsula, during 7th century. Serbians came from south, because they had lost the battle against Ottoman Empire in today's Kosovo. Croats accepted them as refugees, helped them, settled them in Croatian parts of Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy.

    Serbia lost all their military battles in history. And they celebrate them as they got all victories. As people, they are primitive, take a lot of alcohol and very violent.

    For example you can see Serbian manifestations, look how do they look?? With knives, beard, silly caps and flags with skulls. Croatians don't have this.


    You can see what they did in Croatia, they destroyed our cities.,or.&fp=52f17b2c0e5cff46&biw=1152&bih=773,or.&fp=52f17b2c0e5cff46&biw=1152&bih=773

    Many Croatian civilians (children, women, old people just because they were Croats) slaughtered, killed, torcherd and died in Croatia:

    During Yugoslavia Serbians killed Croatian members of Yugoslavian Parliament: this Serbian Punisa Racic has killed Croatian politicians in Yugoslavian Parliament:ša_Račić

    This Serbian Gavrilo Princip killed Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand:

    Many Croatians were taken by force on Croatian island Goli Otok (Naked Island):

    On this island they worked hard jobs, with stone, it was like Alcatraz, even worse, island surrounded with water, without any hope that you can escape. They punched Croatians, left them without food. The name "naked island" brings the whole picture, island without any conditions and hope. If you say something against Serbia, you could get one way ticket for this island.:)

    They are natural rebels, don't know how to work, how to invent economical solutions, and they want to live gratis, so that others work for them. They try to forbid if someone tries to visit Kosovo, which is internationally accepted.

    Serbians are against everyone. You can be their friend only if you are inferior and they are superior. They always start wars on Balkan Peninsula, start to make barricades of wood and stones and kill non-Serbian people.

    Foibe killings of Italians are act of Serbians who proclaimed themselves as Yugoslav Partisans. Croatians didn't participated in that massacre. They just wanted to revenge against Italians, Croats, Germans, without trials or investigation. Nationality was enough so that these people could lose their lives.

    Many ethnical Germans left from Croatia. Many of them were killed.

    This was Croatian massacre after World War II. They took Croatian weapon and told them, that they can leave outside of Croatia in peace, but they killed them without trials.

    Many graveyards were found during ages with Croats, Slovenians, Italians, Germans, Bosnian Muslims from Macedonia to Slovenia, in woods, caves, fields, swamps and rivers.

    Serbia and Montenegro are friendly countries, but even Montenegro doesn't want to live with Serbians.

    War between Croatia and Serbia started after this football match between Dinamo Zagreb and Crvena Zvezda, on 13th May 1990. in Zagreb, Croatia.

    [ame=""]Dinamo Zagreb vs. Crvena Zvezda Beograd 13.05.1990. - YouTube[/ame]

    Yugoslavian police was made of Serbians and Muslims mostly. Of course they would attack Croatian fans of Dinamo Zagreb. Zvonimr Boban, ex AC Milan player saw that and he jumped on the police officer to defend his people, nation and club.

    In Yugoslavia was false unity, justice and fraternity, it hasn't been equal % for every nation. Serbians took everything. Others couldn't take any more. Serbians worked in public companies, others worked harder jobs. Croats went in Trieste on Ponto Rosso to buy jeans and coffee, Yugoslavia didn't had that at all. Yugoslavia had maybe two sorts of chocholate. Land of milk and honey.

    After the war against Croatia 1995., Serbians did ethnical cleansing in Bosnia and Eastern Herzegovina and proclaimed new illegal country: Republika Srpska

    The founders of this country are in Haag Tribunal, they wait for sentences because of breaking all customs of war, Geneva Conventions and human rights. And this so called country still exists, even though Ratko Mladic, Goran Hadzic and Radovan Karadzic are in Haag. They don't even respect Haag Tribunal, In cities where Croats or Muslim lived, they would kill them or send them as refugees, they wanted 100% Serbian population. Also they try to command Croatian politicians to avoid Kosovo. But Croatians said; "The time is passed, we will never ask for permission of Serbia"

    Croatian minority in Serbia doesn't have the same rights as Serbian minority in Croatia. They have troubles in Serbia to declare themselves as Croats. They can't learn Croatian in schools, can't get their jobs. Serbians have their own schools in Croatia, their own language, literature, books, Serbian parties are active in Croatia, they are members in Croatian Parliament. Croatians can only dream about membership in Serbian Parliament.

    Italians in Montenegro had problems with Montenegrin people.

    War crime in Bosnia, genocide:

    There is a lot of history that goes back in medieval times when Croats helped Serbians to save their lives of Ottoman Empire.

    You can see who came first on Balcan Peninsula:

    Croats - 7th century

    Serbians in Croatia:

    "A large number of ethnic Serbs migrated to the north and west in 1538 during the rule of Ban Petar Keglević when King Ferdinand I, ruler of the Habsburg Monarchy, offered sanctuary and permanent settlement to displaced Serbs from Raška who had fled their land due to Ottoman conquests, thus placing them under Austrian military administration."

    Some of them came earlier but most of them came in 14, 15 century, when they lost big battle against Ottoman Empire in Kosovo, that's why they can't stand independent Kosovo, they are losing Kosovo for the second time.

    They still celebrate this battle. When Croats celebrate their manifestations, Serbs send declaratons:"You can't celebrate these dates, because these dates are sad days for Serbian people". They attacked us and they lost, now they try to forbid that we celebrate August the 5th every year and our military operations:

    Operations Storm:

    Operation Flash:

    Serbians don't want to accept that they are not important anymore and that Yugoslavia doesn't exist. As a nation they are poor, living with their violent past, politics, without money. This is their food, anger and bad thoughts. Croats are oriented to peace, human rights, healthy European aspirations, international cooperation with neighbors and other countries, western point of view. As a nation we are very proud, in the past we were warriors, we always defended what is ours, other territory we never wanted. In the past other countries hired us to go in battles for them, because we had always good military, logistics and war leaders. We fought for Napoleon, Roman Empire and many other systems. During the World War II Croatia entered in alliance with Germany and Italy, just so that we can get Independent State of Croatia.

    Croatia isn't some new nation, we have history that is cca 1300 years old.

    Before these years we were explorers, Marco Polo is considered to be born in today's Croatia, we explored the world, we had a tribe in today's USA, their name was Croatan:

    This is a proof that Croats came in USA before Columbus.

    We have many experts in every field, for a small nation, that means a lot:

    We have large diaspora also, they are also people with reputation, my family is spread all over the world, they live nice and wealthy lives in their countries.

    As a sports nation, many people think that we are newbies in every sport. Our sport results aren't surprise, we had always solid sports background and talent what is most important:

    List of Croatian sportspeople in Croatia and abroad:

    Croatians were the first strangers in NBA League. They opened a road for other foreign players during 90's.

    Every nation wants to defend their territory, history, culture and reputation so do we. There is nothing bad in that. It's not nice when someone tries to expel your language and change your history. We had our own written letter during early medieval times, the name was Glagoljica.

    Later we took Latin language and Latin Alphabet.

    We have our cuisine:
    Croatia is a touristic paradise. Everyone confirms that who visits Croatia. On small space we have high mountains, green fields and beautiful coast with cca 1200 islands.

    Other nations mostly don't know what happened in ex-Yugoslavia, they think that every nation is violent, it's not true. Only Serbians ruled with iron hand. That's a historic fact. We are not the same, Croatians and Serbians have big differences in their origins, religion, culture and history. Yugoslavia was artificial country, 5,6 countries needed to listen one country.:rolleyes:

    You could see Serbian way in Genoa, on Luigi Ferraris Stadium. They brought their problems from Serbia, they don't care about the fact that they are in Italy. They don't have any respect. It's good that Italy got 3-0 result.:) Serbian fans tried to kill their own goalkeeper, because he changed the club in Serbia, they interrupted that match because they lost against Estonia in Belgrade 1-3. They have many conflicts inside the team and that's why they fall a part mostly on every bigger competition. Croatia and Serbia are in the same group for World Cup 2014. You will probably hear about violence of their fans. But Croatian fans are also tuff.:D When we unite, north and south, nobody can do nothing against us.

    Bad relations in Yugoslavian football were just a consequence. The source was always history, culture, language, religion and politics. Imagine how would you felt if someone attacks your country, your family, your language, culture and history. Everyone would be ready to defend their home and heritage. I haven't lost anyone in this recent war, but I understand other people who lost their families and homes.
  16. Northern Juventino

    May 25, 2011
    Juventus FC
    Your one fired up individual. I just commented on the 1990 WC and I get some one sided information about everything Croatia. Good stuff
  17. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    I wrote this so that nobody thinks that the nations of ex-Yugoslavia are the same. We haven't got equal rights, that's why we have big mutual antagonism. it's not because we are stubborn, it's because that Serbia wants to be main ruler on Balkans, other nations don't accept that. Serbians treat us as a colony in which they can exploit our goods, natural sources and money. They use non-Serbian people in every sense without any respect. It's better to have average football results as Croatia than to be the World Cup Champion as Yugoslavia. You can ask questions if you have. Are you Canadian? Italian heritage?
  18. mattteo

    mattteo Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    That's some foul propaganda right there.

    So-called 'foibe' were rightful executions against fascists, nazis and ustasha after all the massacres they carried out in Yugoslavia during the war. It had little to do with ethnicity. Similar acts happened in northern Italy, and, bar a bunch of fascist clowns, we're all very proud of them. Triangolo rosso?? Nessun rimorso.

    Plenty of Italians, Croats, Slovenians and Serbians were members of the glorious Yugoslav Resistance, a political movement all Balkanic citizens should be very proud of. In those good times, localism was not an issue.


    Also, players that contributed to Yugoslavia's success were Yugoslavian, not Serbian or Croatian. Both Kukoc and Petrovic had mixed Croatian-Serbian heritage and self-identified as Croats only during the war. Both looked very happy to be winning the youth world cup under a united Socialist Yugoslavia flag. Serbia is the successor of Yugoslavia because other states seceded and created new political entities, while Serbia, at first, tried to keep the Yugoslavian one.
  19. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Foibe were executions against these people, but before World War II. non-Serbian people were under constant pressure, Croatia tried to seperate also in year 1971. but they couldn't do that.

    Croatian spring:

    It's democratic right that anyone should be free. These killings had connection with ethnicity very much. Why didn't Serbians killed with Germans, Italians and Croats? This photo is made by people who adored this person.

    Many Croatians died AFTER World War II, without trials, pure execution. These soldiers went form house to house and searched for male and female civilians who were Croatians, Italians, Germans and killed them. Many of them didn't served in army during World War II.

    Members of Croatian Yugoslav resistance were also Serbians, partisans, who never wanted Croatian independency. They wanted artificial state of so called brotherhood and unity. Pure Croatians never liked Yugoslavia, they declared themselves because you needed to do so, nationality: Yugoslavian was obligation for everyone.

    Months before the war between Croatia and Serbia, Serbia took all weapons from barracks and started to use them against Croatians, even from Croatian barracks. How come, if this was weapon of whole Yugoslav nation? Croatia got embargo, and Serbia had all weapons, but we managed to buy weapons and destroy Serbian army 1995.

    How do you explain Italians, Germans who left their homes, and they never received money for their real estates and they needed to move in Austria, Germany and Italy.

    How do you explain Bleiburg massacre in Austria, where Croatians gave all their weapons to Yugoslavia and they killed all Croats on that field, many bodies were found in Slovenia, Bosnia - Herzegovina, Croatia in caves and woods. Massive graveyards. These Italians from Istria still remember their lives there and feel nostalgia.

    In these times of Yugoslavia there was pure localism. All money of Croatian tourism and their coast went in Serbia. Serbia needed slaves only to work for them. This was their modus opernadi.

    Not only that, they took all results in every sport even though many Croatians and other nations participated. Czechoslovakia didn't do that, they look at these results as their own, without any monopol.

    Yugoslavian nation was artificial. How can you explain World Cup 1930, when Croats boycotted this World Cup, because Serbians moved football federation from Zagreb, Croatia in Belgrade, Serbia. Yugoslavia invited only Serbians. How come, if national ethnicity didn't existed?:D How could they knew who is Serbian and who is not, if you are devoted to Yugoslavian nation you can't see the difference between nations.

    Many Croatian players that had great careers outside of Yugoslavia, played maybe 5,6 matches for Yugoslavia. Croatian clubs could get their championships in Yugoslavia very difficult, almost every title went in Belgrade, not because they were good, yet because they care about Serbia and Serbian clubs. They fixed Yugoslavian Championship every year. How come there were so little Serbians in Croatian clubs and how come there wasn't Croatian players in Serbian clubs, maybe 2,3 Croatians played for Partizan Belgrade or Crvena Zvezda.

    Drazen Petrovic saw how Serbians destroy his hometown Sibenik, on croatian coast, what do you think how should he declare himself? His father is of Montenegrin heritage, his mother is Croatian, father of Toni Kukoc is Croatian, some rumors said that his mother is of Serbian heritage.

    There were people who declared themselves as Yugoslavians, but not all of them. For example Western Herzegovina is made of 99% of pure ethnical Croatian residents. From this region are/or have heritage Zvonimir Boban, Davor Suker, Zvonimir Soldo, Krunoslav Jurcic, Dario Simic, etc.

    For example this city Siroki Brijeg in Western Herzegovina: 98% are CroatsŠiroki_Brijeg

    Many Croatians went on Goli Otok (Naked Island), just because they would declare themselves as Croatians. Many persons were convicted, many catholic priests were killed.

    Yugoslavia had secret service who killed Croatians abroad, all killings were after World War II, so that Serbians can destroy forever the hope of Independent Croatia:

    Look how many victims there were, just because they wrote books, wanted to see independent Croatia.

    Croatian Catholic Archbishop was convicted and poisoned in prison:

    Serbia didn't tried to protect Yugoslavia, why did they attack Croatia, they crossed the Croatian-Serbian border and came in Croatia to destroy homes, churches, not military objects. They slaughtered Croatian people in Croatian cities.

    For example uncle of Sinisa Mihajlovic was almost killed because he was Croatian, but Mihajlovic saved his uncle from Serbians. Interesting how did Serbians knew the differences between nations and yet they were devoted Yugoslavians.:D

    "Born in Vukovar, SR Croatia, near the border of SR Serbia, Mihajlović was born to parents who identified as Yugoslavs. His father Bogdan originates from a Serb family and his mother Viktorija has a Croatian family background."

    From Yugoslavian citizen, Mihajlovic became devoted Serbian.

    "Already known as someone who doesn't back away from physical play, the 23-year-old was one of the main protagonists of the ill-tempered 1991 Yugoslav Cup Final between Red Star and Hajduk Split, going after Hajduk players with several hard tackles and getting into an altrecation with Igor Štimac." Yugoslavian who hates his citizens, interesting.

    Look at these biographies of Serbian soldiers:

    Vojislav Seselj: born in Bosnia and Herzegovina and he was Serbian, not Yugoslavian:Šešelj

    Radovan Karadzic: Bosnian Serb also:žić

    Veselin Sljivancanin - Montenegrin:Šljivančanin

    Mile Mrksic - Croatian Serb:šić

    Goran Hadzic - Croatian Serb:žić

    Veljko Kadijevic - Serbian father, Croatian mother - he enjoyed in killing Croatians:ć

    Jovan Raskovic - Croatian Serb -šković

    Vuk Draskovic - Serbian -šković

    Slobodan Milosevic -šević

    They were all war criminals. They look insane when you see their photos. Really scary scene to watch.

    If these poeple wanted to protect Yugoslavia, why did they tried to achieve project called: Great Serbia, why not Great Yugoslavia?

    And how come they always killed Croatians and Bosnian Muslims?

    There were people who declared as Yugoslavians, but there were people who didn't like Yugoslavia. Pure Croatians always supported Yugoslavian opponents.

    How come Serbians killed Croatian members of Yugoslavian Parliament in Belgrade?

    If someone wanted Independent Croatia these persons would got bullet in the head as their gift, there was pressure about going in the Catholic Church, atheism was something that was desirable.

    You can see some videos how did Croatian cities looked during the war:

    Serbians cities were never attacked.

    In this city Skabrnja Croats were killed, because they were on imaginative border of Great Serbia, on the map is visible red zone that Serbia tried to get and to proclaim Great Serbia.Škabrnja_massacre

    Vukovar City:

    These cities were places of massive slaughtering of Croatians:čina_nad_Hrvatima_u_Domovinskom_ratu

    Wikipedia can translate you this article. There were old people, children, all capable for military actions.:rolleyes:

    Serbia got all results because of their influence at FIFA and UEFA. Croatia is smaller nation than Serbia, smaller market, also Serbia was banned on EURO 1992, even though they entered on that EURO, Denmark replaced them, also they were banned on USA 1994. because they developed the war.

    How come Croatian minority don't have equal rights as Serbians in Serbia. They gave them the status of minority 2005.:D But they live there 100, 200, 300 years. They divided Croatian people in 3 nations: Croatians, Bunjevci and Sokci, so that they have less demands of them.


    These Croats were object of threat in this city in Serbia:

    Croats in Serbia named Janjevci were also problem for Serbians:

    "Because of rising anti-Croat rhetorics and warmongering in Serbian media (especially in Serb media on Kosovo) in late 1980s and all the pressure and incidents arising from that, Croats from Janjevo and Letnica and other Croat-inhabited villages were more and more forced to leave Kosovo. They mostly migrated to Croatia. The second wave of leaving Kosovo, came during Kosovo War."

    Late 80's this was Yugoslavia, how can they receive bad words if they were accepted as Yugoslavians?

    Yugoslavia never existed as country, it was artificial state of mind and politics. The style of Yugoslavia was brain washing. Why is Croatian diaspora larger than Serbian? Because they were pressured during Yugoslavia.
    Outside Croatia you have 4,7 millions of Croats, same as in today's Croatia.

    Why did they left if Yugoslavia was friendly to Croats?:D If Yugoslavia was country of equal rights, why Serbian Belgrade was capital of Yugoslavia, why not Zagreb, or Ljubljana, Croatia and Slovenia were richest republics back than.

    Why Serbia has better stadiums than Croatia, they were build at the same time? Because they took all of our money, foreign money and took them in Serbia.

    Every war on Balkan Peninsula is directed against ethnicity, religion, culture, history and economy. Croatians are one of the oldest European nations, only Basque people and several others have older heritage, we came on Balkan Peninsula in 7th century, Serbians came in Croatia back than in 13,14,15 century when they lost their battles against Ottoman Empire. Croatians had their first king before every other Slavic nations. We don't need to be workers for others.

    They are good in killing children, old people, raping women, but when they meet real soldiers they lose ground under their feet.:D
    Serbia today without Croatia has turbulent times, no money, no tourism, no investments, no education.

    You know how they write English, for example some clubs: Manchester United, they write like this: Mančester Junajted, Lazio is Lacio, Udinese is Udineze, Lecce is Leče, Bologna is Bolonja. They are ignorant, they find complicated to write as it should be, so they write like they speak. They would say you: "Hau ar ju?":D They took our grammar, took our language and change him a little bit.

    Vuk Karadzic:ć_Karadžić

    " His family had a low infant survival rate, thus he was named Vuk ('wolf') so that witches and evil spirits would not hurt him (Vuk was traditionally given to strengthen the bearer)." They believed in witches.:)

    They are violent people, if you are Italian, you saw in Genoa, when they wanted to break up match against Italy.

    They always use provocations, speech of hate, bad form of unhealthy nationalism.

    Istrian exodus of Italians:

    They were all fascists?:D 250,000/350,000 ethnic Italians and (some thousand of) anti-communist Slovenes and Croats?

    Italians changed their last names so that they could be more Slavenic and so that they can save their lives against Serbians and communists.
    Only in Croatia they have democratic lives with bilingual signs, schools that have Italian language, they didn't had that in Yugoslavia.

    Official language in Yugoslavia was Serbo-Croatian.

    They mixed words by force, Croatians had their own language for 1300 years, we don't need other language.

    How would you feel if you have French-Italian language? I ask this if you are Italian.

    Everyone wanted Croatian territory as their own, beautiful coast, islands, mountains, continental parts, they never leave Croats alone. If someone wants independent state, why forbid this?

    Many Croatians don't have mixed heritage, others who had they were naive and trusted in holy state of Yugoslavia. Many Serbian people left their Croatian wives during the war and escaped in Serbia without them.:D Today they hide their Serbian background, they shame themselves because what Serbians did. Croats never shamed of their ethnical heritage. If you know any Croatian in your private life, they will all say that they are Croatians, except these who came from mixed ethnicity.

    Serbians that wanted to respect Croatians laws and Croatian Constitution could stay in Croatia and work as normal people, but they were seduced by their politicians who told them on public speeches about Great Serbia and that every Croatian will be inferior, because of that they wanted to destroy Croatians.

    After Serbia lost in this war, these Serbians who escaped from Croatia, they wanted to come back in Croatia, because they live very poor life in Serbia, they couldn't eat ideas and dreams, now they say: "We didn't know what are we doing". Laim excuse. Many Serbians killed their Croatian neighbors in mixed cities, during Yugoslavia they were so called friends. Imagine that, your Serbian neighbor enters in your home and kills your whole family. That was sincere brotherhood.:D Serbian generals asked always Serbian residents which houses are of Croatian heritage, and they would say where. In Yugoslavia they all were Yugoslavians, how could they know the difference?

    Yes, we could all be proud on Yugoslavian citizenship.:rolleyes:
  20. mattteo

    mattteo Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Before WWII both Chetniks and Ustashas were responsible of many crimes (alongside nazis and fascists), and got dealt with in the immediate aftermath.

    Yugoslav Partisans were from Slovenia (Tito himself was Slovenian), Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro. They couldn't care less about their heritage. It was fascism vs. anti-fascism, not Serbians vs. Croats.

  21. mattteo

    mattteo Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Nat'l Team:

    Similar stories can be found about Croat soldiers too. As I said, by that time nobody was 'right' anymore. Croats killed Serbs and Bosnians too, it was a civil war due to ethnic reasons, and the idea of a united socialist Jugoslavia was already erased from history. I contested your rambling about SFRJ being 'Serbian', what happened later is not of my interest, I don't like any od the sides involved.

    Curious though how you first whine about Serbian nationalism but then make multiple apologies of Pavelic's regime and want a Croatian Western Herzegovina...double-standards much??

    Chetniks and Ustase are the 2 sides of the same coin.

    If you really wanna talk about ethnic cleansings, let's start from what happened in Jasenovac.

    Atheism is desirable. I wish the Catholic Church would get repressed in Italy. Before fascism it kinda was.

    Yet another reason to support Tito and another Jugoslavian peculiarity which indicates that there was no pro-Serbian stance (Serbian nationalism is deeply pro-orthodox).

    They were by Americans and NATO.

    Croatian committed many crimes too, it was hardly a one-sided affair. This being said, I in no way condone Serbian actions during the war, not sure why you're posting this. Serbia and Socialist Jugoslavia, by that time, were 2 very different entities.

    Plenty of Serbians, Macedonians left too...immigration was due to economic reasons, not ethnic.

    Belgrade was capital for political reasons. Milan and Venice are richer than Rome, yet Rome is the Italian capital.

    lol. You were Venice and Vienna slaves for centuries. Get a sense of reality. As for the all the silly, racist stereotypes you started spewing after this paragraph, they don't even deserve an answer.

    Long live Blagoje Jovovic!!
  22. mattteo

    mattteo Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    One thing only...Italian Istrians hate Croatia much worse than Serbia...they all think Istria belongs to Italy and blame Croats for the fojbe killings.
  23. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Problems started wright after World War I. These Chetniks and Ustashe came later in late 30's.

    Serbians have big arrogance and they always wanted to decide about key issues. We were never asked about Yugoslavian politics and international affairs. You needed to be in a communist party to get some rights. Ustashe were consequence of Serbian hegemonia. Problems started in the year 1918. When Alexander the First accepted members of council. Croatians wanted their rights and federation. This royal atmosphere didn't had Constitution. King made his own declarations.

    In Parliament were invited only Serbian politicians from party of Nikola Pasic, Croatians were never invited there. But the name of state was Royalty of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians. They started back than. They brought a constitution without non-Serbian residents.

    Serbia told that Belgrade will be the center of Yugoslavia. This constitution has name of Serbian saint.:rolleyes: Croats and Slovenians wanted 6 entities what was fair. Serbia wanted one center, Belgrade. How could anyone accept that.

    Ustashe means - people who stand up for their country. Ustati in Croatian means "to stand up". This Serbian behavior with Belgrade as center, Serbian decisions were the source of Croatian wake up call.

    Josip Broz Tito was from mixed ethnicity, his father was Croatian, his mother was Slovenian. He was born in Kumrovec, Croatia.

    But there are many stories about his real origin. His life is a mystery. But Croats didn't like him, because he killed them, there are many protests of Croatian people in Zagreb who protest against name of one square in Zagreb, who carries the name of Marshall Josip Broz Tito Square. There is also small gathering in his native city, but he has maybe 100 worshipers who come there. He was very ritch while people were mostly poor.

    Partisans were from all countries, but many of them they were Serbians. Partisans were always against Independent Croatia, no matter from what country they came.

    Nobody cant put 6,7 nations in one country, especially if there are three religions. SFRJ was not free, you couldn't say what you think, media censure, if you say anything against Tito, you would go in prison, questioning, there was a song: "Tito, we sware you, that we won't go away from your direction".

    People sang that on stadiums, there were many these useless manifestations on stadiums, army, children needed to wear silly clothes, blue partisan caps, with red star, learn long and stupid songs at school.

    Do you learn long songs in honor of your president?:) Do you need to read endless books of Karl Marx, or State self-managing and protection?:D Older generations learned that. They had working actions also, they needed to build roads, bridges, for free. It was hard life back than. Croatians from Istria went in Trieste to buy jeans and coffee, Yugoslavia didn't had nothing, they didn't wanted to import goods from abroad. There wasn't western music, customs, cars, in Yugoslavia were produced bad and uncomfortable cars.:rolleyes:

    In 70's people went in Germany to buy normal cars. Partisans didn't care about their heritage, but there were people who liked their heritage. They were silly ideas, of superior state, with justice. It was all false.

    After 1990 we could hear for the first time about Bleiburg, massacres of Croats in woods and caves. In Slovenia there are many caves: Macelj, Huda jama.

    Every month appears 2,3 graveyards in ex-Yugoslavia. Even in Koruska (Karnten). Nobody knows how much graveyards exists, Croatia didn't had lustration like other ex-communist countries.

    These are places of massive graveyards in Croatia during this war from 1991-1995: grobnice u RH/karta masovnih grobnica u RH.jpg

    4500 of people were found in this graveyard:

    There are 600 graveyards in Slovenia, 840 in Croatia and 90 in Bosnia and Herzegovina. All this was happened after World War II. That's a lot for altruistic country like Yugoslavia.:)

    In World War II there were around 300 000 Italians, only 50 000 came back in Italy I think. Tito invested everything for him and his family, received sill persons from movie, singers and citizens payed everything. He made a big boat, he traveled several times around the globe with this boat. The name of boat was Galeb (Seagull). He occupied islands of Brijuni in Istria, nobody could came there as a tourist except you had his invitation.

    He had good relations with weird leaders, Yugoslavia never had big political influence in the world. The country was one man show, there were no electios at all, multi-party system never existed.

    Serbians started first when they created their constitution in 1918. Yugoslavia was isolated country. When World War came Croats needed to enter in weird alliances to anyone just so that they get their own country. Croats were communists also, never said the opposite, but there were also pro-Croatian people.

    War from 1990-1995 was between Croatia, Serbia and Muslims from Bosnia and Herzegovina. First there was Muslim-Serbian alliance, after Srebrenica they saw that they aren't Muslim friends, so they joined to Croats. Ir was triangle of killings.

    Croatian partisans never wanted Croatia, they wanted Yugoslavia.
    Sydney is the biggest city in Australia, but it isn't the capital of Australia.

    Mladost and Dubrovnik are still best waterpolo world clubs. Cibona has financial problems, same like Crvena Zvezda in football. Yugoslavia was anti-capitalist country, now these clubs can find sponsors, investors, before nobody had ownership on anything. Who could buy foreign players. Nobody.

    If Croatia didn't bought this weapon, Croatia would be defeated. I know that Italy, Austria, and Germany watch on their own interest, in Croatia exists many Italian, Austrian banks, German communication company. They came to collect for their assistance in the past.

    Yugoslavia pressured way before Pavelic, wright after 1918. Pavelic was outside of Yugoslavia. You need to see source and consequence.
    Ante Pavelic isn't the source, he is a consequence, because of bad laws in Yugoslavia, bad and against non-Serbian people.

    In Yugoslavia Croatia was puppet state also and yet ritcher than puppet owner Serbia. They will lose new region very soon, nothing to do with Croatia. Hungarians don't like their iron hand in Vojvodna also. Croatians are there third nation, Hungarians are louder than us. Pavelic is in his Madrid graveyard, nothing to do with nationalism, people just want their freedom and like to decide about their future.

    I would like to see you how would you react if your official language is French, or Austrian.:D Until Croatia your compatriots haven't any respect in Yugoslavia, they changed their last names, for example Morosini into Morožin, Voschione into Voškion, just so that thez look more Slavenic and that they can stay a live. Now Italians have good rights, schools, language, they can keep their heritage. I don't see nothing bad in this, only radical countries see bad thing in this, like Yugoslavia.

    Albanians from Kosovo couldn's speak Albanian language, this language isn;t similar at all to Croatian or Serbian, same like Italian and German, nothing similar. But they needed to learn Serbo-Croatian and they spoke always very bad, Serbians always made a laugh because of how they speak.:D

    On Goli Otok there were between 16 000 and 32 000 of "residents".
    This camp was founded from Serbian commandant of UDBA Stevo Krajacic and Slovenain Eduard Kardelj. Goli Otok was for males and St. Grgur was for females.

    Titoism -

    Antifascism=Communism in Yugoslavia. Communism wasn't different in Yugoslavia or in Italy, or in South America, different postulates. Antifascism was just better political name for communist dictatorship.

    Tito wanted that archbishop Stepinac breaks connection with Vatican, 1300 year long connection, he didn't wanted to accept that. He talked about independent Croatia, he saved many Jewish people, one Jewish woman made PHD distertation about Stepinac and she said that he was person for justice.
    She is from New York.

    Belgrade had money from Croatian coast and managed with Croatian savings in banks. They took everything. Best proof is this: Serbia now without Croatia is one of the poorest countries in Europe. Before they were ritch. What happened here? Croatia keeps money for Croatia. If someone is ignorant and careless or lazy nobody wants to live with that person.

    What happened than? They didn't had war in Serbia, eastern Croatia was
    completely destroyed, in Croatia there are a lot mine fields, many refugees came in Croatia from Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Croatia took them all, and again Croatia jas better position than Serbia. Serbia stole our historical treasure, robbed Croatian houses, taking away cattle in rural area, all sorts of material and again they are poor. Whole world saw their politics and everyone knows what kind of creatures are they.

    Croatians would rather be 32 on World Cup than play again in Yugoslavia and be first on the world. Even than there wasn't transparent rules about invitations, if you are a Croatian player, especially if you were catholic you were erased from the list, for example Croatian player Stjepan Deveric made a sign of cross before entrance, he was never called again.

    Now you see all types of cross formulas on court.

    Yugoslavia repressed non-Serbian people before World War II. Why didn't they let us go in 1971. Pavelic was dead, Nazi systems also. They punched students like dogs.:rolleyes:

    Yugoalsvian secret police killed Croatians outside of Yugoslavia. They were from Italy-Chile-Australia maybe.

    Bruno Busic was born 1939, he was 2,3 years when Pavelic came.šić

    He died because he wrote books against communism. He wanted Crotia on democratical priciples. Many of them were lawyers, poets, without any military education.

    These Croatians in Yugoslav Parliament were from Peasant Party.ša_Račić

    Stjepan Radic - wounded member died 1928 year. 12,13 years before WW2.
    Serbians killed Croatians and pressured them way before WW2.ć

    These were killed in 1928 year.

    Đuro Basariček -Đuro_Basariček

    Killer Punisa Racic died 1944. -ša_Račić

    These killings had nothing to do with Nazi, Fascismo or Ustashe.:) Everyone seems to forget ages before 1939. Croatian wake up in World War 2 is consequence, not source. History proofs that, not me.

    You know many informations about ex-Yugoslavia, but some fields you don't know, some reasons or motives.

    Mihajlovic is a Croatian hater, he and whole Serbian national team uses provocations against Croatians. Dejan Savicevic insulted Croatian fan infront of cameras:

    [ame=""]Srbija u grupi sa Hrvatskom, popu?i ga purgeru - YouTube[/ame]

    He said to one fan: "I f*** you in your deformed mouth you stupid Purger". Purger is resident of Zagreb, from German word Burger-Citizen. Savicevic is ordinary peasant. Same is Dejan Stankovic, Mihajlovic, Igor Mirkovic, Dragan Stojkovic.

    Mirkovic pulled Robert Jarni for testicles in match against Croatia, he got the red card and he pulled 3 fingers as provocation to Croatian fans. Under 3 fingers Serbian soldiers sing in Croatian cities: "Slobodan send us the salad, it will be the meat, it will be the meat, we will slaughter Croats" That was from 1991-1995. Translation in Croatian has better rhyme: "Slobodane, pripremi salate, bit ce mesa, bit ce mesa, klat cemo Hrvate".

    Very human soldiers. Slobodan was Serbian president, Slobodan Milosevic, died in Haag prison.

    Bosnian flag made by EU, national anthem without lyrics, only Muslims are invited in that team. You could play for that team? Bosnia and Herzegovina were Croatian historical regions, we came first there, Serbians came second, Ottoman Empire converted Serbians and Croatians into Muslims.

    Why didn't Roman Empire existed? To much nations, to much differences, similar is with Yugoslavia. 6 nations, 3 religions, plus other nations in every republic: Italians, Germans, Austrians, Czech, Slovaks, Ukranians, Hungarians, Romanians, Hebrews, Romani people, Polish people, Russian people, Pomak people, Albanians, Gorani people. They even aren't in Slavic group. To much nations in ex-Yugoslavia.
  24. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatians didn't killed Italians, communists did. True Croatians never entered in communist system, only those who didn't cared about their heritage, tou said that. What could Croatians do, they were also pressured, but after 1990. Croatia gave to Italians all rights. But Istria is Croatian region, multicultural but Croatian. Pavelic gave Istria and part of Dalmatia to Italians. They need to learn history better. I have heard about this opinion, Croatians are taking the blame of other people and systems. Were these Italians were against independent Croatia?

    Croatian communists hate also Italians, because of Benito. And so what. There are two sorts of Croatians, communists and democratic people. Democratic people are in majority in Croatia.
  25. carmelino

    carmelino Red Card

    Oct 23, 2010
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    I don't care about similar stories against Croatians. They need to be independent, because with Serbia they left behind, they are in medieval times. If someone won't let you free, force is the only solution.

    Pavelic gave Istria to Italians, you could have new peninsula.:D This was the price for independent Croatia. Communists took back Istria and made foibe massacre. And yet you glorify Blagoje Jovovic. To tell you the truth I heard about him for the first time in this day. Searched on Wikipedia about him and saw one sentence about his greatness.:)

    Serbian nationalism came first, right after World War I. In Western Herzegovina only Croatians live. Like you were happy when you saw Austrians in South Tirol, Alto Adige, or Bolzano. Corsica is also Italian historical region, their citizens came from Genoa. French first names, Italian last names.:D But you lost Corsica, you lost Italian regions in Switzerland (Ticino).

    I saw many immigrants from Africa in Italy who live in bad conditions, they don't work at all, beg on the streets, you tried to kick them in France, because they are mostly French speakers, France doesn't let them to go inside the France, Romani people in Italy are also on a very bad reputation. Many people without any rights are wandering in Padova, Parma, Verona, Venezia, Milano, Torino, island Lampedusa. Croatia is an example of democracy and human rights for many countries in their region. You should clean your own yard than you can judge to others.:) Italy doesn't want that Mario Balotelli to play for Italy.:) Explanation is: "there are no black Italians". He cried on his car and ran away in England so that he can play in peace. Their motive is because he pulled on AC Milan uniforme in one TV show, many players played for both clubs and nothing happened: Dario Simic, Guly, Baggio, Vieri, Crespo, etc. I wonder why nothing happened to them. Fabio Liverani and Matteo Ferrari also had problems in national football team. Nice and democratic jobs guys.:) You have clubs that have fascist and communist background, Livorno is Livornograd for real, pure communist city, obsessed with communism. Lack of tolerance in Italy exists on a very high level. You don't like Austrians from Tirol and they bring you great results in winter sports. Italy disturbed Croatian TV signal in Istria for a very long time, also Italian fishermen enter in Croatian territorial waters to catch fish and Italy tried to take Croatian convents from Istria even though Yugoslavia payed them. True example of mutual international understanding.:)

    Treaty of Osimo:

    Racial strains in Italy:

    How low you can go?:) And you took Croatia to criticise. Visit Croatia Matteo so that you can learn something about democracy and human rights.

    Chetniks wanted Great Serbia, outside of Serbian border. Ustashe wanted Croatia inside their borders. Chetniks came in Croatia, Ustashe had never went to Serbia. Key difference of that same coin. Both politics had errors. But Croatians were not so much greedy. Serbia wanted Istria, Dalmatian coast, islands, way far from Serbian territory.:rolleyes:

    I said it before: Croatians, Serbians, Muslims - triangle of killings. I try to be objective. For example many Croatians had never visited Serbia, but they come often in Croatia. They want to back in Croatia, because their politicians couldn't made Great Serbia, now they don't have nothing to eat, and they search salaries for that time of their absence. Imagine that, they want new houses or apartments. But in 1991, they killed their "neighbor brothers" Croatians and left Croatia, like Sinisa Mihajlovic. He left his native Borovo and went in Serbia, but he had money, so it was easy fot him to live there, but these ordinary Serbians were poor. Serbia promised them milk and honey, and dreams never came true. Their politicans are having hard moments when they need to apologize to Croatians and Muslims for their war crimes. Croatian president apologized immediately.

    During this new war, some Serbian soldiers had killed their own people, so that everyone could think that this was an act of Croatians. Truth is coming out, do not worry.:D

    Political reasons for immigration were also big, same like economical reasons.
    Even there Croatians couldn't declare themselves as Croatians.

    Under Austrian Hungarian Monarchy we had better conditions. Under Venice I don't know what happened, but I know that several Croatian kings destroyed Venice in some battles, especially in navy battles. They were traders. Trieste and part of Northern Italy were also Austrian slaves.:D

    You are a communist worshiper. It's visible. Its' hard to discuss with brain washed people, that only see few decades in the past. I don't worship anyone, never lived in these systems, you worship poor peasant guy named Blagoja Jovovic. I never heard about him, you need to bring some candles on his graveyard. Better hurry up. Maybe he is in hell to.:) Thou shall not kill.:)

    Croatia was self-defending against Serbian attacks in this recent war, they could left at home and watch EURO 1992, like every normal and cultural European citizen. But no, civilization is unknown term for them, they went on camping trips in Croatia, putted some mines, torched and killed some Croatians, changed their residence. Why they need to live in the same city for a whole life? Serbians tried to learn Croatians how to live cosmopolitan life as refugees in Zagreb, Slovenia, Austria, Germany, Sweden and many other countries. Serbia had good intentions. Croats get know some world please.:)

    Maybe Croatians don't have great team as Yugoslavian team, but Italia still needs to win against that weak Croazia. You never won against weak Croatia.
    Good night!

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