Criticism of the political left

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  1. ceezmad

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    Herding cats is hard.

    When your core constituency is mostly white folk, then the messaging is simpler than when you have to have different messages to 37 different subgroups.

    I believe that is the point.
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Right. But where Jost & others get it wrong (or are just being snarky which I know is his job) is that the Democrat's big tent is supposed to cover minorities, white working class, coastal "elites" and others that wouldn't be welcomed in the nearly completely white Republican party. The Hillary approach was mostly Trump demonization & it didn't sway enough people. Tactics may have to change. But I don't believe the party's core values do. Trumpism was the shiny new thing this election but it ain't built to last
     
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  3. ceezmad

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    Yes, and the problem is when all those sections in the tent start to pull in different directions. You need a voice to unify them, if not all enough to win, Clinton could not do that.
     
  4. ceezmad

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    Is there a SJW fail thread because this should go there.

    Trigger warnings, Cop uniforms.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-transgender-cop-20161123-story.html
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    With spate of civilian shootings, more trigger warnings would be beneficial to the public.
     
  6. ceezmad

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    Well a bit unfair since this is the crazy more than the political wing, but still print money like crazy is more lefty than righty.


    https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2017/02/economist-explains-20
     
  7. JohnR

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    Not sure if the lefty vs. righty distinction works for nutjob third-world dictators. Is Mugabe righty or lefty? Is Dear Leader? "Total and complete asshole" would seem to be the better descriptor.
     
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  8. ceezmad

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    Well in some ways true, I mean Peronistas are not straight up left or right and well their old Central banker said this.


    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/26...ation-argues-argentine-central-bank-president

    Venezuela economic ministers also seem to think that inflation is not real and printing money is not what may cause an escalation of prices.




    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...afford-to-pay-for-its-own-money/#5a2e5ec76366


    Reps bitch and moan about democrats being crazy socialists, come on, there are some very crazy lefty people out there, people that should never go near government, but unfortunately they do
     
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  10. Knave

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  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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  12. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    If your message is consistent and not based on identity politics, you can have effective messaging with 1,000 subgroups.
     
  13. roadkit

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    Here's a trigger warning: If you are told to do something by a cop, do it. If you don't, you might get smoked.
     
  14. JohnR

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    Warmth has his own rules. You don't get to use them. Neither do I, if it's any consolation.
     
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  15. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    When I try, my posts get deleted.

    He's obviously in the BS 1%.
     
  16. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    It's almost certainly genetic.

    But I take your point as confirmation that sexist jokes are okay, but jokes about other categories are not. Which seems to be hypocritcial, but George Carlin and Richard Pryor made a career out of it so who am I to judge?
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    First of all, genuflect when you mention two of the greatest comedians America has ever produced.

    Men are pigs in general but most of us try to do the right thing for the most part. On the flip, if Demosthenes or flowergirl ridiculed men in general, Obama's mom jeans or Trump's little dickedness I would laugh.
     
  18. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    Who wouldn't? Jokes are jokes. Not statements of fact. Peoples bungholes are way too tight these days.

    And I'd put up my bona fides as a fan of Carlin & Pryor -- and Shelley Berman while we're at it -- any day.
     
  19. Knave

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  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Getting your undies in a twist over a writer nobody's ever heard of? Oookaay
     
  21. Knave

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    Oh, my undies aren't too twisted over this.

    But certain social media circles are definitely in a tizzy over it.
     
  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    It looks like she's South African. Which, ya know, had apartheid fairly recently.
     
  23. Knave

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    And that does what for her dumb article?
     
  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Hey, I don't agree with her premise. But I'm not South African either
     
  25. russ

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    So I wound up browsing the HuffPo ZA site.
    Jesus H.Christ on a cracker.
     

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