I recall a time when Bob the Rifle was criticized for not winning any trophies on this board--because the SS didn't count. Again, you've drawn your curve to suit your opinions/ax to grind. Not the facts. It clearly is not the most significant trophy. But it is not a local one either.
Anyone that doesn't count SS is a big stupid dummy. The credit was probably not given to Bobby Popgun because he was using Sigi's squad (mostly). EDIT: I know we all wanted his head by the time (or well before) he was let go, but I think it's well-overdue that Warzycha be inducted into the Circle of Honor. kthxbibi DOUBLE SECRET EDIT: There is one unexpected thing Gigi has managed to do: I've started to look back fondly on Bobby's tenure as coach. Yowzerz.
Well, that's kinda my point. You can always draw the circle to include what you want and exclude what you don't want. But I would like to see Bob honored at some point. The other guy from that era I'd include would be Mike Clark. But I'm not holding my breath on either.
About That if you win your Confrence you should get a CCL spot . Then the 3& 4 spots are n CCL should go to the other two top remaining teams ( overall record)
My point is that people may have discredited the achievement not because of the trophy but rather the impression that Warzycha was riding Sigi's coattails. Anyone who thinks the SS shouldn't count as a major trophy should feel bad about themselves.
We used to, as I recall. Then MLS changed it. I seem to recall we got in that way once--but many years ago.
The Open Cup is not celebrated at all. You win by beating bad teams and then a random MLS team. Now that sounds like something way better than being one of the best teams and the best team in a conference. Ask the average sports fan what is the US Open Cup...response...a golf tournament
Champions league for the usoc winner. What did we get for winning the east and losing mls cup? That east championship is still talked about to this day around here... oh wait, no its not. People say we made the final, not that we won the east.
The eastern conference trophy is awarded to the team that wins a semi final. Well done. Why is that a thing?
The AL and NL trophies and pennants are awarded to the semifinalists in their sport. And do you think the Jackets would have turned down the Prince of Wales Trophy and the corresponding banner that goes with it. Do college basketball teams frown at a Final Four banner?? All of the teams want to win the championship. But they do recognize the achievements noted by these trophies. On a separate note: is anyone else having lots of trouble posting due to runaway processes caused by ads and videos and long running scripts?? I am not allowed to install ad block on my computer. It gets very frustrating to try to post when the page freezes regularly.
I am severely disappointed that people forget that Gregg won the coveted Disney Pro Soccer Classic trophy.
I few things about Roberts Supporters Shield. Yes, he didn't get credit because it was Sigi's team. He also didn't get credit because Guillermo gets the credit (and there was a story once that Robert questioned Sigi if he was sure about GBS when he first started practicing with the team and I think that the story was taken in a different direction than intended). I also seem to remember a lot of complaints about him "backing" into it too. This is more as to why I think we remember him not getting any credit for it, not that I'm agreeing fully with those arguments.
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I'm not saying they're right, but I also remember that. A lot of other teams at/near the top lost their final few games while we didn't exactly go on a hot streak.
So are you saying Gggg winning the EC is enough to keep his job after this season? RW got 4 seasons after his SS. That's enough to know if a guy can win MLS Cup and he wasn't one of those guys. Gggg has not won any of the big 4 trophies. He isn't going to win us a Cup which is the main goal.
No. I'm not. What I am and have been reacting to is the "GGG hasn't won a trophy". He has and it wasn't a local one either but a league trophy--and if you don't want to count that, then you are doing so because you don't like GGG. In other sports, similar trophies count. As I have demonstrated. It isn't the most important trophy. But it also isn't completely insignificant either, as the local trophies are. That has nothing to do with is he a good coach or not. There's a thread for that, and we'll see what happens. This league is just crazy enough that this team could go on a tear and win the Cup. Mind you, I don't expect it. But it's been pretty common. The double of SS and MLS Cup has been pretty rare in this league. And I won't argue against your point that 4 years is a fair shot.
At this point in time, give us any trophy and I'll gush on it like it's the World Cup trophy itself. You people arguing over what counts/doesn't count is quite silly in our current situation.
KG, I'm usually with you all the way on these kinds of arguments, but you're reaching. Yes. In baseball, winning a pennant and REACHING the World Series is an accomplishment that's celebrated with banners and such. That's their tradition. That's not MLS. In MLS, the trophies are: MLS Cup, Supporters' Shield, and US Open Cup. (And eventually, Champions League. Oh, and I guess Canadian Championship.) That's it. That's the list. Winning your conference playoff isn't considered a major award/trophy. It's just not. The reward is qualifying for MLS Cup. Yes, there's a trophy handed out, but is isn't viewed as a major piece of hardware. If you list a team's accolades, or a coach's, you're more likely to hear "made it to X number of MLS Cup appearances" than "X Conference Titles." It's a semantic difference, but it's there. The same way MLB doesn't award anything for having the league's best record, or nobody gives a flip how many Prince of Wales trophies an NHL team had won. It certainly doesn't mean an MLS Cup appearance isn't worthy of consideration, but it's just not viewed as a championship. It certainly COULD be if everyone decided to look at it that way, but that's just not the attitude presently.
We now break from our on-going trophy debate to bring you this breaking Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup news: Officially announced by @opencup: @ESPNFC will televise the @fccincinnati vs. @ChicagoFire @usopencup game. June 28 on ESPN2 at 8 p.m. ET.— Jonathan Tannenwald (@thegoalkeeper) June 23, 2017 Earlier rounds of the Cup getting some love from ESPN. I can dig it.