Copa Sudamericana 2007 (r)

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by JAIME CHILE, Jul 19, 2007.

  1. Caturro

    Caturro Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Chile
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Chupalo, serrano. Was obviously talking about the pedigree of the teams, since both were pretty much 'unknown' prior to their success in these tournaments. But whatever, keep the hate alive I guess. (?)
     
  2. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Nice game by Arsenal, they created lots of chances and they deserved better than to lose 2-1. Funny how other times they bunkered and played like crap but they won, and this time they took the game to their opponent and they lost it.

    But, 1-2 was enough to win the title, so it doesn't really matter.

    The ref sucked, but there was no conspiracy. If they wanted Arsenal to win they would have given them one of those penalties that they failed to recognize.

    I don't mind so much if the coach of America or the players are pissed off and after the game in the heat of battle complain and say some stupid things. I also understand a bit the complaining from regular fans, because fans are myopic, it happens everywhere, nobody likes to lose.

    But the comentators are the ones who are a joke, they should definitely be more professional. I was watching Futbol Picante on ESPN, and those guys were calling the Arsenal players 'Cochinos', they were calling the ref names, that is not professional journalism. I just turned it off, it was ridiculous. And that whole thing about dispute over the goals on the road was a controversy made up by journalists who either were uninformed or wanted to create controversy. The rules were always the same, nobody changed them.

    Mexico's football may be improving, but their football journalists are still in the dark ages.
     
  3. KesOne

    KesOne BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 11, 2005
    Nueva Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    You're the only one that hates 'serranos' and 'indians', you always have something negative to say about them. You got the wrong guy btw. When was the last time a Chile club won mhmm
     
  4. ElDivino

    ElDivino Member

    Nov 11, 2004
    Its sad that i have to agree with you...i think the state that mexican journalism is in right now is pathetic. It actually hurts mexican football more than it helps it. All they do is bitch about this and bitch about that..its amusing really..sometimes i just watch to see what kind of bullshit they'll come up with..makes me laugh. But even though they may not realise it..they're giving mexican football a bad name..and it pisses me off.
     
  5. Caturro

    Caturro Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Chile
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Did the word serrano offend you? Maybe I'm not the one with the problem, cholo. Please bring any quotes where I offend native Americans and then we'll talk, plastic.
     
  6. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Forgot to mention San Lorenzo was the first one on Arsenal's way who 2 months before being defeated was the argentine champion, and Arsenal defeated them at their stadium. River also lost to Arsenal in the Apertura, 2-1 at Arsenal's stadium, also Goias unknown or not is the team that earned their spot on this cup, you can blame the CBF for doing the correct thing but not Arsenal.

    And no one said that this Arsenal was better than the Cienciano that won in 2003.
     
  7. KesOne

    KesOne BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 11, 2005
    Nueva Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    It offends me that you feel you are higher class enough to say it to anyone, when we all know you are a worthless individual with no class. You keep with the insults, and you cant even get that right. Keep trying chilena.
     
  8. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    couldn't agree more. The rulebook states that away goals count. Also, away goals counted in the finals of the Libertadores so why would it be different for the Sudamericana?
     
  9. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    i dont know about you, but I think I'm going to be cheering for the team from tunisia to beat Pachuca. I can't imagine having to watch Boca/Pachuca with the Mexican commentators. I thnk I might end up watching it on FSC (if they show it) if Boca plays Pachuca
     
  10. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the thing though is that, imo....the dirigentes, coaches, and to a degree, even fans.... feed off this lousy journalism.... because they feel free to say the most outrageous crap, as they are shielded by what constitutes a POS sports journalism coming from Mexico -or to be fair, SOME Mexicans in the media- So when fans say stuff, they will claim they heard it on the news or whatever, giving it credibility it should have never had in the first place, considering the poor quality of sports journalism we are witnessing....

    We already had HUgo at NT level with his excuses when his team was playing lousy....of how wide a field is, whether it rained, when the grass was too short, too high.....the ref was crap, too sunny, etc. etc.....

    BUt at club level, it is the same crap..... Maybe a huge reason is that as long as this lousy sports media keeps giving the Mexican club the "victim card" most fans will continue to stand by the victim and continue watching shows that feeds them such idea which in turn perpetuates the whole thing? I mean, better to say that, than it is to admit their clubs are capable of losing by -long gasp- their own damn mistakes also?

    Whatever the case, it is despicable..... and sad...
     
  11. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll never forget Hugo after Mexico lost to Honduras in the Gold Cup this summer. It was all "la cancha, la cancha" and then somebody asked him about the result and he was all "oh no, we won. 11 on 11, we beat them. Only after the ref robbed us [Somebody got sent off in that game. Borghetti?] was the only time they could score." Such a punk.
     
  12. Piedraias

    Piedraias Member+

    Feb 27, 2005
    Califas
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    What's really sad is peruvian clubs' performance in southamerican tourneys.

    That is a real tragedy.
     
  13. chaski

    chaski Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Itchycoo Park
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Both of you need to give it a rest.
     
  14. lual11

    lual11 New Member

    Jun 13, 2007
    San Antonio, TX
    Club:
    Club Tigres de la UANL
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Obviously you guys did not watch the game to not realize how the refs favored Arsenal mainly in the Azteca. Ok first of all in the first minutes of the games Arsenal's dirty player kicks Cabanas from behind.. no red card. Clear penalty after America was winning 1-0 no call. As a matter of fact the America player gets a yellow. On the second goal from Alejandro Gomez it's clear how Calderon takes it with his hand.. and my god calling offsides on a saque de banda.. LOL.. that's laughable. There are too many calls to sit here and name them all but ok you guys can keep on pretending like it never happened and take pride in ur win.. LOL
     
  15. Syd Barret

    Syd Barret Member

    Jul 1, 2006
    Buenos Aires
    Grondona, Arsenal y una visita de riesgo
    Publicado: 04.12.2007 | 17:56 en Weblog Los Especialistas

    (...)

    Nervioso porque su querido Arsenal está a un paso de conquistar la Copa Sudamericana, Julio Grondona acaso ni siquiera sabe que Andrew Jennings, el principal investigador de la FIFA, está en Buenos Aires. ?No veo forma de que él salga indemne?, dice Jennings, sobre Grondona y la investigación del juez suizo Thomas Hildbrand sobre pagos de coimas dentro de la FIFA. Lo dice en la sede del British Council, en la zona de Retiro, ante una veintena de periodistas.



    Pero Grondona, invitado a hablar este jueves en la Universidad de Palermo, no tiene tiempo para Jennings. Su amado Arsenal, que él fundó medio siglo atrás, vive un sueño. El modesto Arsenal definiendo la Copa Sudamericana ante el poderoso América mexicano propiedad del emporio Televisa de la familia Azcárraga. Pero esto no es la Concacaf. La Copa Sudamericana es territorio de la Conmebol. Y Arsenal, por más modesto que sea, es propiedad de la familia Grondona. Una familia sin monopolios de TV e infinitamente menos poderosa que la Azcárraga. Pero que en la Conmebol juega de local.



    El Arsenal de Gustavo Alfaro, vale la aclaración, cumple hoy una temporada notable y ha demostrado su valor en cualquier cancha. Consigue patrocinadores importantes y jugadores a precio de ganga, porque todos quieren quedar bien con Grondona. Pero ya no precisa tal vez de los favores arbitrales de sus años iniciales en la Primera. ¿Cómo no recordar que Arsenal sufrió apenas siete expulsiones en sus tres primeras temporadas en Primera (cuatro de ellas a cargo de Horacio Elizondo), contra 31 de Olimpo o 22 de River? Eran tiempos en los que apenas cuatro jueces de línea dirigían a Arsenal en 13 de los 19 partidos del Apertura 2003, nombres que se repetían en 12 de los 19 partidos del Clausura siguiente.



    Grondona padre llamaba desde la madrugada suiza a su hijo Julio Ricardo, presidente del club. Don Julio lloraba emocionado en su habitación del hotel Savoy de 600 euros la noche porque Arsenal le había ganado a River. Y el hijo se entusiasmó como nunca aquella vez que Arsenal estuvo cerca de ganar el Clausura 2005. Dos errores de los líneas, pero esta vez en sentido contrario, permitieron dos goles de Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata, ambos en offside, y destrozaron la ilusión del hijo, más joven y ambicioso. El padre, que no tiene un pelo de tonto, sabía que un Arsenal campeón era demasiado.

    (...)

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/
     
  16. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    And they realized that just now...:rolleyes:
     
  17. KesOne

    KesOne BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 11, 2005
    Nueva Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Yo, do the right thing, keep a look out, keep it real ;)
     
  18. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Adding Fox GOl Mexico to the list of shows that are worthless due to the lack of any objectivity and a Hugo Sanchez like inclination for excuses and conspiracy theories.... My goodness.... is there nothing better to show on Fox?
     
  19. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Did you guys watch the Etoile vs Pachuca match on Fox Sports Espanol? Another low blow to responsible journalism. Etoile scored a goal near the end of the match, and the announcers didn't even call the goal. Instead of saying 'gooool!', they said something like "Uuuhhh!', Uy uy uy!". Then they started whining about it.

    Is it too much to ask that an anouncer call the goals for both teams? Just to keep it real.
     
  20. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    ^^^ I was so pissed ASF
    but then I couldn't stop laughing because of how much it hurt the announcers losing to an African team
     
  21. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Mexicans have the worst commentators ever...like somone else in this thread said, their football is evolving rapidly but their commentators are stuck in the stone age.
     
  22. rock-star_79

    rock-star_79 New Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Milwaukee
    Are South American commentators any better? I've never listened to any so I can't compare. If they are that much better where can S.A. commentators be heard. Not trying to take the piss out of you, just would like to hear S.A. commentators and see if they are better.
     
  23. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Watch the CWC final and then give us your take on the announcers.
     
  24. rock-star_79

    rock-star_79 New Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Milwaukee
    Does FSE change commentators for S.A. teams? Or is their another network that shows the CWC games?
     
  25. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    They were using the Mexican commentators for the games involving Pachuca. Now they are using Argentine commentators.
     

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