Copa Libertadores 2016 [R]

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by locoxriver, Dec 7, 2015.

  1. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
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    Granada Will end his contract . His most expensive signing in The history
     
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  2. fafaco

    fafaco Member+

    Jun 16, 2015
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  3. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Country:
    Colombia
  4. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Member+

    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Country:
    Peru
    The final needs to remain as 2 legs. A neutral venue wouldn't work in South America.

    I think this new format overall though can possibly work. It will kill the Copa Sudamericana though completely.
     
  5. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    i think it wull happen like with the euroa league....only relevant since round of 8 ....

    with libertadores teams it will be more competitive imho......
     
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  6. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Country:
    Argentina
    Why wouldn't a neutral venue work? This is in Japan. Imagine how many fans we'd take to Rio or Sao Paulo. Winning a Final in your home stadium is amazing, but since we've done that 3 times, I'd love to take the show on the road.

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  7. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Country:
    Argentina
    I disagree with the one-leg final format. The beauty of the Libertadores is in large part the spectacle put on by the fans. I cant imagine a final with empty seats all over the place, as would happen in many ocassions with this new format. It might work in some cases, but picture -for example- a Liga de Quito-Tigres final in Sao Paulo's Morumbi. It would be a sad sight for a prestigious Libertadores final

    As for the Sudamericana, I think this new format could actually stregthen it, since 10 of the teams eliminated early in the Libertadores would move to it. I dont see it being weakened in any way by the new Copa, just remaining a second-rate continental competition as it was before, but with some better teams
     
  8. dsichiva

    dsichiva Member

    Nov 15, 2013
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    Have you checked this (link) other change in the format of Copa Libertadores?

    "El invitado a la boda robandose a la novia" ;)
     
  9. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
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    Argentina
    It was obviously a trick by Angelici to try and get boca back in, but the president of CONMEBOL said there were no invites. Boca got in by inventing a play-off with Velez in 2015... Even the AFA had officially congratulated Velez on qualifying, yet Boca snaked in and got a one match play off in preseason and qualified. Obviously, they qualified only to throw pepper spray and tear gas at River Plate players and to be disqualified in disgrace, but no one be surprised by the corruption of Boca, basically the Juventus of Argentina
     
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  10. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
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  11. DaDroopDogg

    DaDroopDogg Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Country:
    Mexico
    I'm glad the Copa lib is moving on to a more yearly schedule. But it's a huge disadvantage for the smaller clubs, that tend to get a nice streak going during a short period. Bigger clubs have the resources to stay competitive for a longer time and I'm sure they will be happy not to have a 6 month crunch period of nonstop competitions.

    Fans should be happy because the matchdays will be spread out and really be celebrated as huge events like Champions league. As opposed to now where they are cramped up messes where you only care about some games. Plus the big clubs will always be at their best in this format providing much more entertaining games.

    Federations should be happy because now they can free up their schedule woes in a year-long format. It was really pathetic how some of these Copa matches and league matches were played during FIFA dates.

    Plus I agree with loco, it makes the Copa Sudamericana much better since it's a consolation prize for the clubs that don't advance. But it's also a disadvantage to smaller clubs that would hope for their chance at international glory with the Sudamericana.
     
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  12. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    #1037 BocaFan, Sep 28, 2016
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    Depends who is playing in the final though. If its Ind. del Valle v Toluca in Montevideo then a sell-out could be a challenge.

    Anyway, I generally agree with the format change. It always felt like the current format was too compressed. Teams competing in it would be so busy that they would basically have to sacrifice their domestic league campaign. And of course that leads to weaker teams entering the Copa Libertadores.

    Plus I hated how they took a 2-month break after the quarterfinals, which totally killed the momentum of the tournament. With the new format, the break can occur after the group stage which would be a more natural time to take a break.
     
  13. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    True, the quality could actually increase. Especially if they shorten it. In fact in 2017 the Copa Sudamericana may have more big clubs from Argentina than the Copa Libertadores.:laugh:
    But the main problem for the Copa Sud is that now it will be played at the same time as the Copa Libertadores. That's a big deal, imo. Sometimes I watch Copa Sud games as a neutral now but if Copa Lib. is being played at the same time/same week I just don't see myself ever doing that.
     
  14. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Country:
    Colombia
    How many non-colombians and non ecuadorians Would pay for an EXPENSIVE entrance for the last final ?
     
  15. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali

    but in theory, wouldn't that 1 major ticket be mostly 'pre-sold' way in advance. If it's one main venue, 1 'hot-ticket' for a host city and the event becomes more like a Champions League final --preshow, halftime show, etc., I would imagine that most of those seats would already be accounted for just from Corporate buy-ins. Than, you can still sprinkle in a designated amount of traveling supporter fans. I think it will be sold out regardless. And I imagine that the first cities to host would be large population cities with solid infrastructure and with a strong tradition (Buenos Aires, Rio/Sao Paolo, Lima, Santiago, Bogota, Mexico City) --

    if you look at this decade's winners, you're also still talking about some of the biggest fan bases...they will travel anywhere to see their club become champ --

    Yr - Winner - Subcampeon
    2016 - Atl Nacional (Col) - IDV (Ecu)
    2015 - River Plate (Arg) - UNAL (Mex)
    2014 - San Lorenzo (Arg) - Nacional (Par)
    2013 - Atl Mineiro (Bra) - Olimpia (Par)
    2012 - Corinthians (Bra) - Boca Jrs (Arg)
    2011 - Santos (Bra) - Penarol (Uru)
    2010 - Internacional (Bra) - Chivas (Mex)
     
  16. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Country:
    Switzerland
    If you switch to a single game final it wouldn't surprise if CONMEBOL tried to play it in the US.
     
  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    Miami more then Likely. I heard rumors of that years back but I don't think that would seriously happen.
     
  18. DaDroopDogg

    DaDroopDogg Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Country:
    Mexico
    Nah, I know eventually the copa libertadores will have a single final but it won't be until 10 years from now.

    You have to let this new format stick and see if the competition grows in numbers. Then you can justify having only one big final. Especially when it's more than likely the bigger clubs with large fan bases will always be at the final. Small teams like Once Caldas will be there from time to time but they will be the underdog that neutrals will root for. Good for everyone if it moves to one final. But now is not the time for it.

    But I am biased. I really hate the two-legged final because the first leg almost never matters and the second leg is when neutrals tune in and watch.
     
  19. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
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    CA River Plate
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    Argentina
  20. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Country:
    Argentina
    Unrelated to the copa directly, but while Im in this thread -- what ever happened to Angulo's transfer to Granada? Did it get cancelled definitively? Is he suspended from all FIFA competitions?
     
  21. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Country:
    Spain
    While there's been discussion about the format and rules and such, what do you all think of this? Men's clubs would no longer be able to participate in the Copa Libertadores if they don't have an associated women's team.
    https://www.metroecuador.com.ec/ec/...nino-obligatorio-participar-libertadores.html
     
  22. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Country:
    Bolivia
    All leagues in SA have a couple of years to figure that one out....but I am sure they'll find a random womens team to dress in order to qualify. I am talking about al big clubs that don't already have a female version of the mens side.
     
  23. SPFC Fan

    SPFC Fan Member

    Jun 21, 2016
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    It seems that the dream of Alejandro Dominguez is to have the final in single game
    and he will do everything to change in future editions.

    The argument against the final in one game will always be the same
    it is impossible to carry 25,000 people from Belo Horizonte to Santiago for a weekend
     
  24. SPFC Fan

    SPFC Fan Member

    Jun 21, 2016
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    as a friend said on twitter


    Single game in the final of the Libertadores is nothing more than voluntary colonialism. It is the act of being ashamed of who we are culturally and geographically.
     
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  25. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Country:
    Switzerland

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