COPA LIB, after the grp stage - R & comments

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by Dr. Know, Apr 2, 2008.

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  1. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    Palacio >>>>>> Omar Bravo. Please stop making that ridiculous comparison.

    Tell me how many other forwards in South America have been as good as Palacio has been over the past 3 years in both league and international competitions? I can't think of many.
     
  2. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It's hard to compare them. Bravo scores more goals. Palacio can score goals, but he is more of a creator of chances. He plays wider and deeper, he can be a wing or a withdrawn forward. I think he's a more complete player.

    As far as the colita, he didn't start the trend. Remember this guy?

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  3. riverplate

    riverplate Member+

    Jan 1, 2003
    Corona, Queens
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Cúcuta Deportivo 0 (0) - (4) 2 Santos FC

    Santos advances.
     
  4. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    So what are the quarterfinal matchups?
     
  5. el chuntaro

    el chuntaro New Member

    Apr 7, 2007
    Neverland Ranch
    ok
    Cabanas(10 goals in 07 libertadores),Suazo(good in Chilean league and libertadores and sudamerica)Marcelo Moreno just the ones on top of my head....like I said Palacio is good but not great PALACIO=BRAVO

    Palacio- 2005-present Club App.106 G(46) with Argentina App.6 G(0)
    Bravo-2001-present Club App.256 G(100) with Mexico- App.49 G(13)
     
  6. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Fluminense VS Sao Paulo

    Atlas VS Boca Juniores

    Liga de Quito VS Sao Lourenco

    Santos VS America
     
  7. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    And by looking at this, there will be at least one Brazilian semifinalist. Either Fluminense or my team SPFC - and there's a good chance this will be an all-Brazil semifinal. I dont' see Santos being eliminated by America; they'll have home field, and this is not a team likely to allow for an upset against a weaker team on home ground.
     
  8. azulcremaporvida

    Jan 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Hahaha, "weaker team"

    You wish, buddy boy. If you're going by our results in the league then you've got another thing coming.
     
  9. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    Fluminense vs Sao Paulo should be a great matchup. Fluminense great offense, Sao Paulo great defense. Who has the advantage? I think Sao Paulo wins.

    Boca vs Atlas. Atlas has done well, but this is as far as they go. Boca wins.

    San Lorenzo vs Liga, the altitude will be a problem, but San Lorenzo is looking good, I think San Lorenzo advances.

    Santos vs America I'm not sold on either team. But America went to Brazil and beat Flamengo, who is a better team than Santos. I pick America to pull the upset.
     
  10. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    America may win - but I still think Santos can and will advance.

    We'll see in 2 weeks' time.
     
  11. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Flamengo did not take America seriously. Brazilian news sites said today that the players admitted they disrespected America. The sad thing is, they played better for stretches of the match.

    In other words, arrogance was their undoing. I doubt Santos will make the same mistake.
     
  12. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    SAntos v Sao Paolo
    Boca v. Liga

    that's the semifinal pairing right there ;)
     
  13. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Sao PAULO with a U, DAMN IT!!!!! :D
     
  14. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I guess Niembro and Closs were accurate:)eek:) to point that it looked like River players weren't passing the ball but they were like getting rid of it.

    It's true that Pezzota made mistakes, but apart from the Silvera-Tuzzio incident i think there wasn't any major mistake after the 2-0, and even with that it doesn't explain how River gets tied at their own ground against a team of 9 players, and San Lorenzo played so-so overall.

    What do you think of a brazilian semi-final and an argentine semi-final? The brazilian one is probable in my opinion, but the argentine one, i have my doubts, i see Boca defeating Atlas, but i don't know about San Lorenzo, first of all they'll be missing some important players their 2 starting central backs, Mendez(injury) and Bottinelli(suspension).

    Now the Round of 16, seeing the balance of teams per country again.

    -Brazil 3/5.
    -Argentina 2/5.
    -Mexico 2/2.
    -Ecuador 1/1.
    -Colombia 0/2.
    -Uruguay 0/1.

    Also, nice mistake by Carrizo in the pass almost cost River a third goal.
     
  15. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I think Santos is an unbalanced team, and they depend a lot on Kleber. But so is America, it should be an interesting matchup.

    Century, how do you see Fluminense vs Sao Paulo ending up? I think that will be one hell of a series.
     
  16. azulcremaporvida

    Jan 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    If I remember correctly we were about 20 minutes from advancing to the semifinals with a goal from Daniel Ruben Bilos when the defense broke down (surprisingly!) and gave away 2 goals in the final minutes of the game. Against Santos. In their stadium.

    :)

    edit: Crap. I just realized. Kleber is now with Santos. Bona fide idol with America (one of my favorite players to ever don the yellow) facing off against rising star Salvador Cabanas. What a match up!
     
  17. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    On one side you have a team with lots of (regional) history which has never made it this far in the Libertadores; they were the best in the opening round and they're hungry. On the other you have a mix of veterans and newcomers who've played disjointed soccer but who have Libertadores experience (they held their own and nearly won in Uruguay and won with justice yesterday).

    Experience counts for a LOT in the Libertadores, and SPFC will not be intimidated by playing in Maracana stadium. I say SPFC in the semifinals.
     
  18. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Yes, that was deplorable for a first-division team from a league as competitive as Argentina's. Had that gone in, I think Carrizo would've needed police protection on his way out of the Monumental.

    BTW, is this Carrizo related to an older Carrizo who made a name as a goalkeeper in the Argentine league in the 1960s?
     
  19. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Last comment for the night:

    The elbow strike which reduced Sao Lourenco to 9 men was childish and idiotic, and that player was fortunate his team came back to score two goals. More than the goal Abreu eventually scored via the resulting PK, the moment that elbow flew I knew it was an ejection and that Rio da Prata now had 2 more men.

    That's when I thought, "OK this is over, Rio da Prata vs. LDU." But I'm glad I kept watching... as the FOX Espanol guys said, this game will not be forgotten soon.
     
  20. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The one you talk about is Amadeo Carrizo, and no, they have the same last name but they are not related.
     
  21. chaski

    chaski Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Itchycoo Park
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    a U??
    isn't it a B?
    :confused:
     
  22. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I hope that wasn't a serious question...
     
  23. Nuclear_Attack

    Nuclear_Attack New Member

    Sep 13, 2007
    They're differente type of players.
    I don't see how you can compare them.
     
  24. Nuclear_Attack

    Nuclear_Attack New Member

    Sep 13, 2007
    I'm not really surprised that both Colombian teams are out. I did expect more from Cucuta, specially because Colombian clubs tend to do well against Brazilian clubs.
     
  25. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake

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