Pre-match: Copa do Mundo 2018, Quartas-de-Final: Brasil vs. Bélgica, 6 de Julho de 2018

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Century's Best, Jul 3, 2018.

  1. Brazil_1500

    Brazil_1500 Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    NY
  2. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
    It does when you realize CAP made the same choices in 2006 when he played Cafu instead of Cicinho and imo, Ronaldo instead of a Robinho paired with Adriano.
     
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  3. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    Interesting.

    I saw him play during the Olympics and thought he was one to watch going forward. I definitely thought him to be amongst the best Olympic Selecao players along with Marquinhos, Renato Augusto and Neymar. Admittedly, I have not followed him since....but didn't he just get voted South American player of the year and help win Libertadores for Gremio?

    Supposedly Lazio and Liverpool are monitoring him. Perhaps he makes the jump.
     
  4. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    yes, and what happened when Parreira needed those guys the most against France? he benched Adriano for Robinho, and later in that game he subbed Cafu for Cicinho as well . Hirerarchy be damned.

    Again, it doesn't make sense that he would risk losing a WC final not fielding his best player because of some dumbass "hierarchy". that would be borderline mental illness. He would also be essentially slandering Ronaldo by saying he "afinou" in 94. I don't like CAP as a coach,but if that wasn't true he'd have come up with a different excuse, something along the lines of Viola being more experienced playing decisive games for Corinthians or something like that.
     
  5. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
    Difference is CAP wasn't losing and he probably felt Ronaldo was too young for the pk round had it ever needed to go to him.
     
  6. JoãozinhoFutebol

    Feb 16, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    06 was a maelstrom of bad decisions.

    R10, R9, Adriano we’re all way out of shape and he fielded a 4-2-2-2 with R9 and Adriano up front and Ronaldinho walking behind them. There was no width in the side and Kaka had to make up for the front 4’s lack of pressing
     
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  7. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Viola was terrible at penalty kicks. That's why Dunga and even f@ing Marcio Santos and were selected over him in that shootout. At the time Corinthians tried to make him their official PK taker and he kept missing them so everyone knew this. Having him play the overtime doesn't make sense unless he really was doing great as reported in training. judging from how well he played those 15 minutes, he was.
     
  8. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I said this a few pages ago, the hand he was dealt in 06 was good for a 4-2-3-1 system . R10 and Robinho on the sides, Kaka as AMC, R9 or Adriano as striker. Brazilian coaches are incapable of figuring out shit for themselves and only copy whatever europeans come up with . So he kept hammering that square peg in a round hole. When the quadrado magico failed he returned to the 4-1-2-1-2 system with Juninho and Ze Roberto which didn't work during qualifiers.
     
  9. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Robinho and Cicinho should have surely started in that tournament.
     
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  10. JoãozinhoFutebol

    Feb 16, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The quadrado mágico was the opposite of copying Europeans lol, if anything we should have copied what Italy was fielding at the time. And yeah Adriano or Ronaldo should have been on the bench, probably Ronaldo as Adriano’s athleticism in the second half would have been too much for tired defenses. The centerbacks and Zé Roberto were the only redeeming parts of the 06 team
     
  11. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    we did not invent 4-2-2-2
     
  12. Lockeroom

    Lockeroom Member

    Apr 11, 2008
    I liked the Belgian tactics against Brazil, something like 3-4-2-1. Fellaini eliminated Neymar like Gentile Zico at the World Cup 1982. The Belgians have the best goalkeeper, a playmaker ( de Bruyne ), Nr. 10 ( Eden Hazard ) and Nr. 9 ( Lukaku ) at this World Cup.
    The worst tactics at WC 2018 had Argentina. It was something like a Birthday present for Messi. The main thing was Messi must be satistisfied and happy. Not the team.
     
  13. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    There is an element of stubbornness with our coaches that is mind boggling at times. I remember Luis Fabiano killing it in Europe one year and Dunga ignored him for Vagner Love, lo and behold an injury happens and Fabiano gets called up and literally saves Dunga job against Uruguay. Even, Tite feel victim to it with his patience with Gabriel Jesus.
     
  14. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Luan is my favorite player since I saw him play live against Korea at the Toulon youth tournament some years back. Also, at the Rio Olympics it was the inclusion of Luan (mainly in the second round) that made the difference. Many people here would claim that it was Neymar, or Weverton or someone else responsible for that Gold medal, but I insist that it was Luan that made that Olympic team function.
    Gremio won the last edition of the Copa Libertadores, yes as a team, but the two main drivers of that victory were Arthur and Luan. If Tite cannot figure out how to incorporate Luan into the national team set-up then, well, that says something about Tite as a coach, does it not?
     
  15. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Right. And I have put forth some criticism of Tite here, that he was out-coached by Roberto Martinez. Surely something could have been done by a better, more aware, quicker thinking coach?
    Yes, Fellaini rubbed-out Neymar but that situation could have been overcome by some smart moves by Neymar and by his coach Tite. You, me and Tite know that, unlike in tennis, in football on the field coaching is allowed.
     
  16. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I don't know. Something doesn't impress me about him the few times I've watched him play. Seems to me like a player that when given space can do some neat passes and score some goals but could be easily neutralized.
     
  17. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'd think if he was that good, he'd already be in Europe somewhere. He is 25. What's the story there ?
     
  18. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Surely it's not all about Europe, right? Yes, I know, Europe owns football, what with all the money, the teams and they win all the championships, but still there are limits.
    I mean Gremio, my favorite team, is the undisputed best team in all South America. That counts for something, no? And yes Luan has not played in Europe, but so what? I'm sure there have been offers from some god-forsaken, third world sh*t hole in Eastern Europe, but Luan and Gremio have correctly turned those offers down. I've heard rumors about Liverpool after they sold Coutinho, but nothing has come out of that.
    As for Brazil, well, again we have the Olympics. There is an argument, just an argument, that Luan was the best player of that tournament. I have all the Brazil games from Rio on DVR and what a difference between the games with/without Luan. If Tite and his team could not see greatness when it was looking them in the face, then there's nothing I can say about that.
     
  19. Brazil_1500

    Brazil_1500 Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    NY
  20. JoãozinhoFutebol

    Feb 16, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Luan really isn’t that good lol
     
  21. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    F*ck it man. Wasn't one of the reasons why Arthur was excluded from the team because he was coming back from an injury. I'm beginning to feel some anger toward Tite.
     
  22. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Apparently being injured wasn't really a problem for being called up.

    Honestly, when Tite had a chance to test Arthur in friendlies last year, he was indeed injured if I remember correctly. It seems like Arthur has a bright future, but we don't really know how he would have fared. He is still young. He only busted onto the scene last year. Just needed some more time.
     
  23. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Luan did great in Rio but the Olympics is an under-23 competition not the best evaluation of a player. Another thing is where does Luan even play? He’s best position is probably as an attacking mid and he wouldn’t start over Coutinho in that position. He can also play wide but the options wide are superior as well.
     
  24. JoãozinhoFutebol

    Feb 16, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    He also offers nothing defensively
     
  25. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Tite's decision making when it came to picking injuries or fresh from injury players was suspect from the beginning. This is nothing new or surprising.

    Had we won, no one would have said anything. But we lost so every stupid decision by Tite is being analyzed now including taking several injured or coming from injury players.
     

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