Copa Confederaciones 2017 (R)

Discussion in 'Chile: Selecciones Nacionales' started by MetroChile, Nov 25, 2016.

  1. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  2. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    We will see. This young Germany is a very good side, and also fresher with less minutes played in the last 12 months.
     
  3. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
  4. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Ese ranking está mal hecho.

    Dependiendo del resultado de hoy ante Alemania, Chile se debate entre el 5° y/o quedar 7°.
     
  5. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Si estábamos en 4° porqué bajaríamos a 5° o peor aún a 7° si hemos ganado todos los partidos de la copa.
     
  6. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    It was complicated at the end...no matter how many chances Chile created, Germany defended perfectly...Chile was great during the match, with some errors in passing, but chances were made often, too bad because of Diaz, match would be high in quality. After the goal Chile stopped with creativity, they came back in second half time.

    I noticed that Chile can't win against Germany around 40 years.

    Referee used Champions League criteria. A lot of exchanged words with Milorad Mazic. It was frustrating, reactions of Chilean players were evident, every foul was commented. Referee could use much more relaxed approach, not so strict.

    I thought that Chile can win this on experience, but it seems that Germany is not impressed with great manifestations. They showed their well organized counter attacks. European teams don't have many options against better South American teams. Waiting, controlling, hoping that opponent will lose energy, counter attacks, ball keeping...:rolleyes: Germans were much often behind the ball.

    Temperament should be controlled in such matches, it's hard, different mentality, really frustrating and understandable.

    It's always hard to play against Germany, Spain, France...maybe 2,3 other teams.

    Chile should go in Russia 2018 and participate as one of throne candidates.

    From Europe Germany, Portugal, Spain, France, England, Italy, Belgium could be interesting opponents for Chile.:)

    But UEFA groups are terrible and very boring. These are German opponents.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_–_UEFA_Group_C

    Similar is in other groups.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)

    One extremely strong team, others are mostly average.

    Sagal will remember his attempt forever.:confused:
     
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  7. Ezto

    Ezto Member

    Jun 27, 2007
    NY
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Chile couldn't score against good German defending. Not my favorite game(probably cuz we lost), but champions gotta succeed through adversity. Chile didn't today, so Germany won. One more cup for our golden generation. Let's hope we make it to the instance.
     
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  8. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    It's important to avoid the words: "Chile has time. Time will bring another titles."

    The time passes very fast. Probably the key World Cup is in front of Chile. And this Golden Generation started in World Cup 2010. Seven years passed already.

    Claudio Bravo will have 35, Beausejour 34, Jara 32, Medel 30, Fuenzalida 33, Vidal 31, Hernandez 31, Marcelo Diaz 31 in Russia 2018. Maybe their last World Cup.

    World Cup 2018 and Copa America 2019, key years to create new great results. Team atmosphere is visibly great, they all work hard, coach is a good expert, although he has to thank to Bielsa and Sampaoli, because they created nice style. I avoided Borghi, because his approach wasn't good at all.
     
  9. BamBamZam1+8

    BamBamZam1+8 Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    That one hurt. The lack of finishing is so concerning. This story hasn't ended yet though. Hopefully we can make a nice run in Russia next year.
     
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  10. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    This team won back-to-back Copa América titles because of its midfield and defence. The midfield was again of a high standard in this Confederations Cup, and the defence was excellent. Díaz' error happens. Had Alexis scored minutes before the error, who knows? Very poor tournament from Alexis and Vargas. When your defence and midfield are doing their collective job, as a forward, you have to repay them.
     
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  11. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Chile has been unable to capitalize in three straight finals and that should be a cause for concern.

    Pizzi deserves criticism with his overall team selection for the tournament and will have to bite the bullet on this one. It's a mistake to insist on a player such as Valencia when you still have other options such as Valdivia and Fernandez who could easily come off the bench and are superior play-makers.

    I still believe that this team is competitive for at least one more tournament.
     
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  12. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Pizzi es lo que se llama un weon melenudo que habla, que, que, que, que habla puras cabezas de pescado.
     
  13. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Alexis wants to switch his club, this is a problem for him. Arsenal is not ambitious at all, so he deals with this also and no one wants to buy expensive older player. Bayern mentioned this for example. He should stay in Barcelona. Atmosphere in Arsenal is depressive almost 15 years, no serious titles, only FA Cup, Community Shield. And players still waste energy, efforts in such club.

    Vargas, Sanchez, Hernandez could make much more.
     
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  14. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Chile will need a healthy Nico Castillo.
     
  15. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Grande Chile. Applause to this team and to Marcelo Diaz. Think with a few tweaks we should be fine.
     
  16. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Carepato tiene que levantarse nomas. Vienen partidos importantisimos para volver a Rusia.
     
  17. Ezto

    Ezto Member

    Jun 27, 2007
    NY
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Lo que le paso a Dias, le puede pasar a cualquiera. Con un poco de pena aun, pero satisfecho que morimos con la nuestra.
     
  18. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Fue preocupante durante todo el torneo la falta de finiquito de Chile. Y eso hoy nos termino pasando. Vargas no estuvo fino y Sanchez nunca estuvo en su nivel en todo el torneo. Es de esperar que en lo que queda de las eliminatorios, los delanteros chilenos esten mas finos frente al arco. Lamentablemente Castillo se lesiono y era un jugador que nos hubiera servido mucho, sobre todo por la racha en la que anda desde el año pasado. Sagal, no lo voy a criticar pero se perdio un gol increible. Paredes? No entiendo porque PIzzi no lo llamo considerando su experiencia. Lamentable el error de Marcelo Diaz, pero los grandes se equivocan. El gol que se perdio ALexis Sanchez fue sencillamente increible, era mas facil echarla adentro. Y creo que el Tucumano Hernandez es mas que Felipe Gutierrez
     
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  19. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yes, being 2nd in this type of tournament, is still something good.

    Heck, NO.

    When he has been a hero in the past, he has received all the applause he deserves, but yesterday, he blew it big, very BIG. Thanks to his stupidness, is that we lost the match.

    It was not as if he would have lost the ball in a dispute; no he directly gave the germans a perfect pass leaving them alone in front of Bravo, to score. His fvck-up, must be the worse fvck-up of our national team, in the last 10 years.

    can we forgive him ?, well I believe for what he has done in the past, he deserves it, but in no way we should applaude him now. :thumbsdown::sick:
     
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  20. ridv34

    ridv34 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I don't mean to kick him while he's down but the team cannot afford to have mental lapses like that against top tier teams. They will punish you (case and point).

    I think what upsets me the most is that I genuinely believe we were the better side before the goal happened. These were (very talented) U-23 players Chile was playing against, and yet it was the veterans, many of who have played in two finals previously, that weren't mentally ready for the game.

    The way the team broke down after the goal. All the missed chances. Once again we get back to a fundamental of the game that it took Chile so many years to find: mental strength. And a part of me believes this is the start of us losing touch with that skill which makes or breaks great teams.

    It pains me to say it, but the Germans deserved the win.
     
  21. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    tough luck Chile... here are some highlights I got from the match... you may not have won the match, but definitely had the larger fan base there... they really made the experience, singing to and from the stadium on the metro, and all over the streets of Saint Petersburg:

     
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  22. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    The doubts crept into the defence after the forwards had blown key chances inside the first 20 minutes. That’s when players think, “Maybe, it’s not our day.” Diaz’ error came seconds after Alexis’ equally costly error. How does a player of his calibre miss that exactly? This is a guy who is asking for more than £400,000 a week in club football. He should have an obligation to score from there.
     
  23. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    The worst thing that could happen to Pizzi is if he turns into a conformist. This team will not be the same one in a year from now. Injuries, form, age and other factors will impact the overall quality of the first eleven. He needs to find working solutions for every position. I liked Paulo Díaz, for example. I liked Tucu Hernández as soon as Pizzi accommodated him in a 4-4-2 diamond formation, like in the semi final.

    With that said, I'm not sold on any of the forwards. Now is the time for Pizzi to tell Vargas to focus on regaining his form (somehow) in Mexico, away from the national team. I like Nico Castillo as an option too; we need someone who can just take one or two steps and shoot.
     
  24. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    A este weón español (mister chips), la verdad es que no le creo mucho, pues suele dársele vuelta la torta a cada rato, primero dice una cosa y luego sale con otra, por lo que muchas veces en algunas de sus tantas predicciones de ranking FIFA que hace para todos los meses, le acierta casi siempre en alguna de ellas (de hecho ese cálculo, donde yo dije que estaba errado, que apareció en la TV, lo hizo él también).

    El siguiente, es el próximo ranking FIFA, tras el partido de ayer, según este aweonado español, que saldrá publicado por FIFA el Jueves próximo :

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    OJO :, si el TAS (tribunal arbitral del deporte) dictamina el próximo 5 de Julio sobre el caso "Bolivia- inscripción irregular de Cabrera", cederle a Bolivia la razón y Chile pierde esos 2 puntos por eliminatorias que FIFA originalmente nos había dado, entonces sin ninguna duda Chile saldría del Top 10.
     
  25. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Díaz error, is in no way equally costly to Sanchez's error

    Díaz error, meant our team to lose the match.

    Sanchez's error, at most, would have meant our team to take the lead (the same way as when he scored during the 1st match against Germany in this cup) , which doesn´t guarantee victory, as Germany would sure have changed their atitude for the rest of the match.

    We might probably not like it, but Germany played the whole match accordingly to what Chile gave them.
     

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