Copa America 2015: Argentina vs Jamaica Group B

When the crowd goes "ole, ole, ole" for the other team, the writings on the wall.

 

It was more like Messi standing around. Di Maria sent in some nice low crosses that Messi barely made an effort to get to. Dude, it's not an important match so you're not going to play, then SIT DOWN.

 

Were those Argentinos? I thought Chilenos.

 

No, they were Argentino's.

 

Its actually both. I supposed they've known the Uruguay vs Paraguay result so they realized a draw is enough. That's probably why they feels that there's no need to keep pressing after half an hour.

Di Maria didnt play very bad apart from failing that one on one chance. He setup the winner and unluckily hit the post in 2nd half. Definetely poor overall performance for his standard, just not the worst I've seen.

 

So why are they on the pitch?

 

19 shots to 5 shots by Jamaica. You guys are in crisis mode ha-ha. If you were Barcelona president Enrique would be goodbye by the 1st month. It's not about passion it's about tactics. We keep on changing coaches and styles and the team struggles because of that. Colombia, Brasil,Chile, Uruguay they have had the same coach at tournments before.

Argentina is a team of two halves. First half they dominate second half we forget to play and fall asleep. If TATA can fix this we might have a really good team. I see the negatives, but I also see the postives in the team.

 

Just to fulfill their duty.

 

Brazil coach wasnt Dunga in last year tournament, unless you're actually missing the entire World cup?

Why did we played so well in qualifier when we got Sabella? or you're going to tell me by retaining Diego we will improve and reached final like Sabella did?

 

Why not play subs who are rested, not on yellow cards, and hungry?

 

We could lose if its entirely second strings, since they never played together before?


Argentina had 82% possession but its only enough to score 1 goal, amazing.

 

Um he has coached their team before at a copa america and a world cup. I didn't say he coached them last world cup kid. Everyone forgets that when Sabella first started Argentina struggled. Argentina lost against Venezuela and tied vs Bolivia. The team got it together vs Colombia in the 2nd half.

 

Ridiculous, Argentina subs are way better than Jamaica's. A hungry Lamela plays better than a lazy Messi. And if losing is even important, why the ******** are Argentina players strolling around looking at the butterflies?

 

I think people forget that Tata has already struggled for a year and continues to struggle. ;

 

Hasn't every coach struggled for Argentina? The players need to take some responsibility too. Either coaches get fire or leave before the world cup or after. When was the last time a coach coached two tournaments for Argentina?

I believe certain coaches do better with certain teams and players. Look at Mou he is great for Chelsea, but only won one title at Madrid. Luis Enrique failed at Roma, but won everything in his first year at Barcelona. Plenty examples of coaches doing great, but failing later on. Bianchi on his return to Boca is another clear example. You need the right coach and tactics for the right team.

 

To be fair , even Real madrid struggling to beat Simeone's team. How many times they beat them in last 2 seasons? like once? Tata actually would have won the league if wasnt Cholo's team. Real madrid finished behind Barcelona that season. Simeone eliminated Tata in CL and then beat his team in latest league game to secured the thropy.

Tata's team beat Real madrid home and away that season and also beat City home and away. Former Barca players like Pep, Tito and Lucho definetely fits better for Barca.

However, there's no excuse for not able to bring the best out of Argentina since this is a team full a players that winning thropies for their respective clubs. Its a nonsense if a team like Jamaica, Chile and Colombia despite not having indivual quality like Argentina but were able to match Argentina performance.

 

Well this is also true. We would have beat Holland and Germany without needed an extra time if wasnt Messi, Higuain, Palacio and Maxi Rodriguez scored their sitters. Plus Aguero keep slipping on his boots throughout the World cup.

Remember Messi weak attempt to lob the Belgium goalkeeper ? it just happened again today. Messi can never be compare to Maradona because Maradona give positive impact on the team when they struggled in contrary to Messi who's struggle when his teammate struggle. A game like today makes you wonder, where's his confidence to take on defender to score?

 

Argentina won Copa America back to back once Diego quit.

 

Maradona also had a lot of these types of games for Argentina ---- it is normal.

The issue with Messi is that in some games, he just does not want to do much. Like today. He was strolling around, by his standards. His standard is so high, that for any other player it would be considered a good game.

A perfect example was when Di Maria had the 1-on1. Messi was running at half-speed; I was screaming, "Messi sprint, man, sprint." Had Messi run faster, Di Maria would have had a better angle, and would have passed to Messi. But Messi ran at such a lackadaisical speed that Di Maria had to go it alone.

I believe that if Messi had been playing Bayern Munich in the CL semis, he would have run much faster. But Messi takes days off for Barcelona as well ---- maybe it is just the sheer number of games he has played.

That is the difference between CR7 and Messi......CR7 would have run like crazy to get his tap-in goal. Messi is 2 times the player CR7 is, but CR7 makes some of the difference up with his desire.

Anyhow, it is very hard to break down 2 banks of 4 in defense. No matter the difference in quality, if a team has 8 players in the penalty area, it will be very hard to break down.

What is worrying is the number of chances we continue to squander. That needs to be corrected.

I hope we play better in the knock-out stages, and the opposite of the World Cup happens, that Messi comes alive in the knock-out games.

 

No Messi on that team.

Players like Kempes and Maradona already proof himself in World cup especially at knockout stage and most importantly , in final itself.

How many thropy you win is relative especially for international tournament which dont happen every year but Messi has played in many tournaments and his goal return especially at knockout stage is worrying.

 

Well that's the problem, not because opponent has 8 players inside the box but because we have close chances again and again and we never scores another.

It doesnt take much to notice Messi confidence is never the same in blue white jersey compare to his Barcelona form. How many players surrounded him when he strucked that league winner against Atletico? 4 players but he's so quick and still find the gap between those legs.

What about those crazy goals against Bayern and Bilbao? Sure Messi has done something like that for Argentina but never in major tournament. Dont tell me Bayern defence is weaker than Jamaica, Paraguay & Uruguay. You could see his determination to beat Neuer in that game.

As you mentioned, Di Maria at least look determined and willing to run and he almost scored twice in this game apart from assisted the winner.

 

Put Messi on those teams instead of them and nothing changes, Argentina wins World Cup. Maradona had Valdano and Burruchaga who finished their chance's unlike Higuain and Palacio did in the final. It's coaches job to make team work, not players, otherwise there would be no coaches. Caring does come from the players themselves, if you're not willing nobody will bring that out of you.

 

Burruchaga and Valdano missed more sitters than Higuain and Palacio combined. Messi was fouled 26 times in 2014, Maradona was fouled 53 times in 1986. Yet Messi already criticized Uruguay for playing brutal football.

You ever see Messi in major tournament for Argentina doing stuff like he did against Bayern and Bilbao? its simply harder to stop him when he play for Barcelona, that's the fact.