Conmebol afraid of brazilian domination

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by sidis, Jan 30, 2007.

  1. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    and do not allow same country teams finals.

    Thats funny this AFA pression, maybe in 2007 an argentine team maybe can reach the finals....

    and some people criticize us brazilian for don't care much to libertadores...
     
  2. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Yeah thats rediculous that they are gonna force teams to switch Braquets in the Semis to avoid same country (ie Brazil) final.

    But what if there are 3 Brazilians in the Semi's?

    Should we be expecting some odd officiating???

    Hmmmm....
     
  3. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    i bet we will have 3 or 4 brazilians in the semis and we will kick conmebol ass again!!!!!

    CORRE ATRÁS ARGENTINA;
     
  4. Caturro

    Caturro Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Chile
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    So it applies to every country now, not just Mexico?

    Hmm.
     
  5. Colorado_GAUCHO

    Nov 16, 2004
    Porto Alegre-BRASIL
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    that blows...

    cowards
     
  6. AuriVerde

    AuriVerde Member

    Aug 26, 2003
    Fortaleza-CE,Brasil
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    It's a shame.
     
  7. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    dumb@$$ rule, Conmebol officials are getting worse and worse
     
  8. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Maybe CBF and AFA should join forces to twist CONMEBOL's arm into undoing this decision. It's no secret that CBF and AFA combined have far more influence than all the other federations combined.

    If not, CBF should just go at it alone. UEFA doesn't prohibit a same-country final (AC Milan vs. Juventus a few years ago) so why should CONMEBOL?
     
  9. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I already did a hypothetical round of 16 to semifinals model and saw this could cause problems.

    For the sake of argument, let’s use these 16 teams, in this order.
    1 Santos
    2 Internacional
    3 SPFC
    4 Boca
    5 Gremio
    6 Libertad
    7 Velez
    8 Flamengo
    9 River
    10 Gimnasia
    11 Parana
    12 Banfield
    13 Cerro
    14 Necaxa
    15 Colo Colo
    16 Toluca

    So we’d have these matchups:

    Santos X Toluca
    Flamengo X River
    Banfield X Gremio
    Cerro X Boca

    Parana X Libertad
    Necaxa X SPFC
    Velez X Gimnasia
    Inter X Colo Colo

    For the semifinals:

    On the top bracket we could potentially get a combination of Flamengo, Santos, or Gremio, or a Boca X River.

    On the bottom bracket we could get a SPFC X Internacional.

    Even if it was either Flamengo, Santos or Gremio X either Boca or River, we’d have 3 Brazilian semifinalists.

    Further, if Banfield finished in 11th place instead of 12th, it’d trade places with Parana. Consequently, Banfield could theoretically face Gimnasia or Velez in the bottom bracket’s semifinal. Again, with a combination of Santos, Gremio, Boca, and River in the top semifinal, this scenario would present 3 Argentine semifinalists (not to mention that Parana might miraculously get past Gremio in the round of 16 and past Boca or Cerro Porteno in the quarterfinals for a meeting with Santos in the semifinals - with SPFC or Inter in the other semifinals... or, BOTH SPFC and Inter).

    And, If River and Boca got past Santos/Gremio/Flamengo in the top semifinal, we’d have 4 Argentine teams. What would CONMEBOL do then?

    Dumbassses.
     
  10. chaski

    chaski Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    redacted
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    :eek:
     
  11. chaski

    chaski Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    redacted
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    Move along, nothing to see here

    Conmebol used this rule before they switched to seeding 1-16 in 2005.
    2005 was the first time 2 teams from same country played in the finals.
     
  12. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    new or old its a DUMB idea...let the best win....

    This isnt the NFL with AFCs and NFCs...is it?

    Bottom line we better watch out for the reffing...they could try to make things happen if you know what I mean.
     
  13. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Re: Move along, nothing to see here

    2005 might of been the first time 2 teams from the same country had faced each other in a final. But CONMEBOL had changed the rule before then because in 2003 when 2 Colombian teams made the semifinals they were not forced to face each other.
     
  14. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Screw job reffing...great, just another thing we needed.:rolleyes:
     
  15. olimpia84

    olimpia84 New Member

    May 22, 2006
    Bosque de Para Uno
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    Not as dumb as allowing more teams from Brazil and Argentina than other countries
     
  16. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    allow more argentina teams is a dumb idea.
    brazil teams arent, we prove we can reach the final stages and have more powerful teams.

    CORRE ATRÁS.
     
  17. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    After what Parana did that, I don't see why Brasil wouldn't be deserving of more teams. I am not saying I am for it, but they have proven that they are deserving...
     
  18. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    remember that paraná is being terrible in his STATE LEAGUE.
     
  19. olimpia84

    olimpia84 New Member

    May 22, 2006
    Bosque de Para Uno
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    It's not about performance, it's about fairness. The Libertadores should go back to the old format where every country had the same number of teams, with the exception of the country that had the champion obviously.

    IMO the ideal format for the Libertadores would be 3 teams per CONMEBOL country (3 x 10 = 30) plus the champion and one mexican team, 32 teams in total.

    Brazil and Argentina definitely don't need the extra teams to prove they have good clubs.
     
  20. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    why? if our league is better?

    its the same that say oceania and europe deserve to have the same number of spots to world cup
     
  21. olimpia84

    olimpia84 New Member

    May 22, 2006
    Bosque de Para Uno
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    This is a different case. Up until the 90s all the countries had the same number of teams and it was the best system imo, Argentina and Brazil had no problem in winning the tournament with that rule.
    And to be honest, rewarding countries with the best leagues with more teams is plain dumb. Cienciano and Once Caldas are the best examples, they beat giants from Brazil and Argentina to win their respective cups but that doesn't mean the peruvian league was the best back in 2003.
     
  22. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    lower team if good admnistated can win big ones, but i can show to you at least 4 good examples of brazilian once caldas: são caetano, paysandu, paulista and juventude.

    the big question its thats not fair the third place in peru or bolivia league deserve to play in libertadores if commonly they will fight against relegation in brazil league.

    in uefa the strongest leagues have more spots.
     
  23. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    I agree it should be same amount of teams. Also, how can you say allowing more Argentinian teams is dumb when they have traditionally done a lot better than Brasilian teams??

    If Boca Juniors was in the 2007 Copa Libertadores, they would have won it, and they proved this when they beat Sao Paolo for the Recopa.

    Or at least make a cap of say max 3 teams from each country
     
  24. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    the 4th and 5th spot from argentina are doing better than brazilian? its the question?
    8 brazilian teams win the libertadores and 10 reach the finals, more than any other country.

    boca juniors win 1 game, this mean nothing, you probably would need to win inter AND são paulo, with a worst team in 2006.

    and in the last 15 libertadores we win 8 times.
     
  25. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, that's because Argentina's qualification system is retarded. The teams are completely different compared to what they had been one year ago when they qualified (example: Gimnasia (LP) finished 2nd in the Argentine league last year, but now -when the Libertadores arrives- they are arguably one of the worst teams in Argentina).

    If the best Argentine teams at the moment participated, then it would be a completely different thing. Estudiantes would do great (last year they deserved to eliminate Sao Paulo.. too bad the ref didnt see, or didnt want to see, Rogerio Ceni moving 40,340,085 meters foward in the penalty shoot out.. :rolleyes:)..

    By the time the 2008 Libertadores comes, Estudiantes will probably suck.. Sosa, recommended by Simeone to the Italians, will probably be in Europe.. Pavone, their top Goalscorer, was wanted by a few European clubs this pre-season and will almost surely migrate this year.. Veron will become older, we'll have too see how he's doing.. Galvan, an important player for Estudiantes in their 2006 League Title, is no longer part of the team and returned to River from his loan.. Damn.. It looks like they will be in the same position as Gimnasia is this year.
     

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