and do not allow same country teams finals. Thats funny this AFA pression, maybe in 2007 an argentine team maybe can reach the finals.... and some people criticize us brazilian for don't care much to libertadores...
Yeah thats rediculous that they are gonna force teams to switch Braquets in the Semis to avoid same country (ie Brazil) final. But what if there are 3 Brazilians in the Semi's? Should we be expecting some odd officiating??? Hmmmm....
i bet we will have 3 or 4 brazilians in the semis and we will kick conmebol ass again!!!!! CORRE ATRÁS ARGENTINA;
Maybe CBF and AFA should join forces to twist CONMEBOL's arm into undoing this decision. It's no secret that CBF and AFA combined have far more influence than all the other federations combined. If not, CBF should just go at it alone. UEFA doesn't prohibit a same-country final (AC Milan vs. Juventus a few years ago) so why should CONMEBOL?
I already did a hypothetical round of 16 to semifinals model and saw this could cause problems. For the sake of argument, let’s use these 16 teams, in this order. 1 Santos 2 Internacional 3 SPFC 4 Boca 5 Gremio 6 Libertad 7 Velez 8 Flamengo 9 River 10 Gimnasia 11 Parana 12 Banfield 13 Cerro 14 Necaxa 15 Colo Colo 16 Toluca So we’d have these matchups: Santos X Toluca Flamengo X River Banfield X Gremio Cerro X Boca Parana X Libertad Necaxa X SPFC Velez X Gimnasia Inter X Colo Colo For the semifinals: On the top bracket we could potentially get a combination of Flamengo, Santos, or Gremio, or a Boca X River. On the bottom bracket we could get a SPFC X Internacional. Even if it was either Flamengo, Santos or Gremio X either Boca or River, we’d have 3 Brazilian semifinalists. Further, if Banfield finished in 11th place instead of 12th, it’d trade places with Parana. Consequently, Banfield could theoretically face Gimnasia or Velez in the bottom bracket’s semifinal. Again, with a combination of Santos, Gremio, Boca, and River in the top semifinal, this scenario would present 3 Argentine semifinalists (not to mention that Parana might miraculously get past Gremio in the round of 16 and past Boca or Cerro Porteno in the quarterfinals for a meeting with Santos in the semifinals - with SPFC or Inter in the other semifinals... or, BOTH SPFC and Inter). And, If River and Boca got past Santos/Gremio/Flamengo in the top semifinal, we’d have 4 Argentine teams. What would CONMEBOL do then? Dumbassses.
Move along, nothing to see here Conmebol used this rule before they switched to seeding 1-16 in 2005. 2005 was the first time 2 teams from same country played in the finals.
new or old its a DUMB idea...let the best win.... This isnt the NFL with AFCs and NFCs...is it? Bottom line we better watch out for the reffing...they could try to make things happen if you know what I mean.
Re: Move along, nothing to see here 2005 might of been the first time 2 teams from the same country had faced each other in a final. But CONMEBOL had changed the rule before then because in 2003 when 2 Colombian teams made the semifinals they were not forced to face each other.
allow more argentina teams is a dumb idea. brazil teams arent, we prove we can reach the final stages and have more powerful teams. CORRE ATRÁS.
After what Parana did that, I don't see why Brasil wouldn't be deserving of more teams. I am not saying I am for it, but they have proven that they are deserving...
It's not about performance, it's about fairness. The Libertadores should go back to the old format where every country had the same number of teams, with the exception of the country that had the champion obviously. IMO the ideal format for the Libertadores would be 3 teams per CONMEBOL country (3 x 10 = 30) plus the champion and one mexican team, 32 teams in total. Brazil and Argentina definitely don't need the extra teams to prove they have good clubs.
why? if our league is better? its the same that say oceania and europe deserve to have the same number of spots to world cup
This is a different case. Up until the 90s all the countries had the same number of teams and it was the best system imo, Argentina and Brazil had no problem in winning the tournament with that rule. And to be honest, rewarding countries with the best leagues with more teams is plain dumb. Cienciano and Once Caldas are the best examples, they beat giants from Brazil and Argentina to win their respective cups but that doesn't mean the peruvian league was the best back in 2003.
lower team if good admnistated can win big ones, but i can show to you at least 4 good examples of brazilian once caldas: são caetano, paysandu, paulista and juventude. the big question its thats not fair the third place in peru or bolivia league deserve to play in libertadores if commonly they will fight against relegation in brazil league. in uefa the strongest leagues have more spots.
I agree it should be same amount of teams. Also, how can you say allowing more Argentinian teams is dumb when they have traditionally done a lot better than Brasilian teams?? If Boca Juniors was in the 2007 Copa Libertadores, they would have won it, and they proved this when they beat Sao Paolo for the Recopa. Or at least make a cap of say max 3 teams from each country
the 4th and 5th spot from argentina are doing better than brazilian? its the question? 8 brazilian teams win the libertadores and 10 reach the finals, more than any other country. boca juniors win 1 game, this mean nothing, you probably would need to win inter AND são paulo, with a worst team in 2006. and in the last 15 libertadores we win 8 times.
Well, that's because Argentina's qualification system is retarded. The teams are completely different compared to what they had been one year ago when they qualified (example: Gimnasia (LP) finished 2nd in the Argentine league last year, but now -when the Libertadores arrives- they are arguably one of the worst teams in Argentina). If the best Argentine teams at the moment participated, then it would be a completely different thing. Estudiantes would do great (last year they deserved to eliminate Sao Paulo.. too bad the ref didnt see, or didnt want to see, Rogerio Ceni moving 40,340,085 meters foward in the penalty shoot out.. ).. By the time the 2008 Libertadores comes, Estudiantes will probably suck.. Sosa, recommended by Simeone to the Italians, will probably be in Europe.. Pavone, their top Goalscorer, was wanted by a few European clubs this pre-season and will almost surely migrate this year.. Veron will become older, we'll have too see how he's doing.. Galvan, an important player for Estudiantes in their 2006 League Title, is no longer part of the team and returned to River from his loan.. Damn.. It looks like they will be in the same position as Gimnasia is this year.