Confederations Cup: Portugal Vs Mexico; July 2, 2017

I. Lichnovsky - Primeira Liga - Porto

http://us.soccerway.com/players/players_abroad/chile/

 

Would scare the shit out of Trvmp though

 

Germany, France and Belgium decided about a decade ago that their national teams were playing shit football and came to the Dutch FA to learn about our system of development. They all implemented it with keeping their own national characteristics. Look what that produced for those countries. So it is smart to copy something that works with infusion of your own characteristic. Mind you, since that change German teams are fun to watch compared to their boring teams before.

 

That's correct for sending kids to EPL clubs. Not if it is to Germany, France, Spain or the Netherlands.

 

I've been saying 1 ) we need to work harder in the things we can control because there is no point in focusing on things we cant. Every time our players go to Europe they are behind other euro competition in physical form i think its laughable to try to reach for finals when we are not even in top notch shape 2) We need to find a way to ensure success for our players on foreign grounds and 3) What works for Argentina may not necessarily work for another country and vice versa.

You disagree with all these, you have been arguing against these points. You insinuate the notion that we are equals to chile and argentina. If that was the case we would have dozens of players in europe but we don't. USA attempted to implement a 10 year plan that they copied from Europe and look at them, did it work for them? Technically we ARE doing just what south america does, throwing players in europe which is what EVERYONE does. Need to think outside the box

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I mean if you want to think like that lets look at the most successful national teams today: Germany, Spain. What is one thing in common they have? They have amazing leagues. So according to you it would be stupid to focus on anything different. than improving our league. Just going by your logic

Then you have never played the sport, in futbol aka soccer good physicality means the ability to run all 90 minutes the way chileans do, to get tackled around and not injured (which is why working out is so important), to block arttackers as a defender shielding the ball with your body and not get knocked around by someone 2-3 feet taller than you, like alexis sanchez and vidal . Discipline in soccer is not become thick like a wrestler, lol . First you assumed I meant height now you think I mean pure muscle, what straw man next? Talent may get you to top clubs and players like gio, vela, fat ronaldo portray that but discipline and hard work keeps you at the top level players like giggs show this players like Lahm and my favorite case is Chicharito because if it wasnt for his discipline I have a hard time believing he would get many minutes anywhere.

I know that you already said that, you keep parroting the same thing without giving a realistic solution. Name me 1 Mexican in the past year who deserved to go to europe that mexico held back due to greed or placing hurdles as you say. Do you think any mexican 18+ alive right now will do great things in european clubs? You emphasized earlier that we cant expect to triumph without having game changers who do great things such as vidal and sanchez

 

I mean if they get minutes i agree, not if they spend 2-3 years being loaned around and in 2-3 years getting the minutes a starter gets in half a season. Thats why I am against sending players for the sake of sending them

 

I mean , if you didn't understand that in soccer you can be short and physically strong I can't help you .

You seem to think that they can only get physically stronger by going to Europe ... I can't help someone that thinks like that

You continuously say I am clueless yet give me a bunch of essay TLDR's. Taking someone who is clueless a little too serious if I say so myself

 

Ah no bueno, por lo menos Messi ha llegado a la final del Mundial, nosotros no pasamos de octavos.

 

Look the reason Mexico is not sending quality players to Europe is because scouting and fuerzas basicas in Mexico have such low standards. We think dudes like Layun, jimenez, chícharo, Herrera, tecatito son cracks. Example: Raul Jimenez is 6'3 no speed, no agility, a bench warmer in benfica, yeah ok he is a decent penalty taker(so what?) that doesn't help him to be a starter in any team in Europe. Layun decent kicking power, average speed, horrible passing when running with the ball, his passing is only decent when he takes corners or free kicks, yet sits the bench most of the time along with Herrera and tecatito. By the way did anyone see how draxler destroyed Layun with his agility and speed?

 

Cuanta ignorancia, Corona fue muchas mas veces titular esta temporada.

El verdadero problema es que hay mucha mafia y corrupcion en las fuerzas basicas.

Ya lo dijo Oribe Peralta: "en Mexico hay muchos mas jugadores como Diego Lainez pero no tienen la oportunidad".

 

Yeah barely. Still is benched most of the times. Corona a 24 year old should already be an important player for Porto and not struggling. The dude is weak ass hell and lacks consistency, decent ball skills but lacks the athleticism to succeed in Europe.

 

Lol. Take off your chivas shades.

 

Well if you saw my previous post in other forums you will see me throwing dirt at chivas fuerzas basicas too. How they are crap when it come to seeking talent. So you can stop feeling triggered and victimized.

 

I think you don't watch Corona play in Portugal, or maybe not at all.

 

Sorry I didn't know you were a repug.

You must have forgotten that flick Raul put to Guardado as he was falling to the ground or that chilena vs Panama. No agility.

The goal he scored for Benfica from a goal kick where he outran their defense. No speed.

Jimenez has always been hailed for his passing and ball control for being such a tall guy, and scored crucial goals to close out the Benfica season and secure the title. Literally the opposite of everything you posted.

 

Watched a few and I still stand with what I said. Good ball skills but gets easily beaten physically. He situation in Porto isn't as bad like Herrera and Layun.

 

Who ever said Jimenez is physically weak I hate to disagree with u, look up the goal he made to Bayern , that was 100% physicality

 

Still living from that chilena? Let me guess you are also still living off that gio dos santos goal vs Howard back in 2011 and that he is our Ronaldinho. Seriously living those small moments doesn't help his case when it comes to playing for his club. As if benfica cares if he scores against panama or that flick to guardado is going to help him be a starter. The years of experience playing in Mexico and sitting in the bench in atlético and benfica you would expect him to know how to slightly play the g right?

repug? Yeah because those words never existed before, but whatever. You are still living from that chilena? Let me guess you are also still living off that gio dos santos goal vs Howard back in 2011 and that he is our Ronaldinho. Seriously living those small moments doesn't help his case when it comes to playing for his club. As if benfica cares if he scores against panama or that flick to guardado is going to help him be a starter at his club.

 

No exageres, en ese equipo muchos han sido irregulares, Corona esta temporada tuvo que terminar con 13-15 asistencias en el año, un buen numero, pero sus compañeros fallaro muchas oportunidades que les brindo Corona con grandes pases.

No me vas a venir a contar a mi, vi todos los juegos del Porto este año.

En lo que coincido es que a Corona le falta en cuanto al nivel atletico/fisico, si tuviera las capaciadades fisicas de Lozano otra cosa seria.

 

That is my whole argument. Our players go to Europe with deficiencies. That do not permit them to be regular starters in Europe. We have to accept that they have reached their ceiling. Ya no tienen para más and we can't expect more from them. Until our scouting and training of players improves and we actually start looking for real players and not low level athletes hijos de papis. That is the day we will have players consistently playing in their clubs and being scouted by top teams.

 

You said he has no agility. I gave examples that he does, but if you are looking for recent examples here you go.


So you are wrong. Raul is known for being an agile player.


Do you even keep up with club career or watch him play at Benfica? He was getting regular minutes and scoring until he got injured vs Honduras. Then he came back and had a great close to the season scoring crucial goal to win the league title and scoring in the final to win the Portuguese Cup.