CONCACAF Qualifying For World Cup 2018 Prediction Contest: Round 1 [R]

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  1. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Round 1 is worth 4.2% of the total. The rest is 8.0% for Round 2, 7.8% for Round 3, 30.0% for Round 4 (Semifinals), and 50.0% for Round 5 (Hexagonal). Having more games made a round worth more and I made the later rounds worth more points per game. For Round 1, predict the score of all 14 games. The second legs could need extra time, but predict the score after regulation and separately say who you think will advance in extra time or penalty kicks if that's what you predict. In each pair the first team listed will host the first leg. Predictions for both legs of each series must be made before the first leg starts. The games start on March 23.

    Bahamas-Bermuda
    British Virgin Islands-Dominica
    Barbados-U.S. Virgin Islands
    Turks and Caicos Islands-St. Kitts and Nevis
    Nicaragua-Anguilla
    Belize-Cayman Islands
    Curacao-Montserrat

    I'm going to call everybody who predicted last time:
    @Dr. Gamera
    @kman1456
    @SocaWarrior23
    @ChaChaFut
    @blacksun
    @Catracho_Azul
    @IASocFan
    @drt2k3
    @jagum
    @zenryan
    @Revolt
    @PanchoM
    @TBR
    @Popol Vuh
    @TrueCrew
    @mclip_66
    @ja2ny
    @Cody667
    @winster
    @ZeekLTK
    @PARS
    @Ironkick14
    @thedragonrik58
    @G Dawg
    @icii
    @Latin Pride
    @ceezmad
    @faiyez
    @USOutlaw16
    @El Niño Orgulloso
    @City Dave
    @NMMatt
    @Matt121

    That's 33 people. 12 people who predicted last time didn't have their username show up. People who didn't predict last time are welcome also.
     
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  2. Outburstz

    Outburstz Member

    Jun 22, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bahamas-Bermuda
    British Virgin Islands-Dominica
    Barbados
    -U.S. Virgin Islands
    Turks and Caicos Islands-St. Kitts and Nevis
    Nicaragua
    -Anguilla
    Belize-Cayman Islands
    Curacao-Montserrat
     
  3. chec

    chec Member

    Feb 9, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Trinidad and Tobago
    Bahamas-Bermuda
    British Virgin Islands-Dominica
    Barbados
    -U.S. Virgin Islands
    Turks and Caicos Islands-St. Kitts and Nevis
    Nicaragua
    -Anguilla
    Belize-Cayman Islands
    Curacao-Montserrat
     
  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @Outburstz
    @chec

    I want score predictions for each leg. Of the 4.2% for this round, a quarter will come from Leg 1 score predictions, a quarter will come from Leg 2 score predictions, and a half will come from predicting the aggregate winners.
     
  5. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Do we predict results or just scores (1 for home team win, 2 for away team win, X or something similar for draw)?
     
  6. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    Home team first.

    Bahamas 1-2 Bermuda
    Bermuda 2-0 Bahamas

    BVI 1-2 Dominica
    Dominica 3-0 BVI

    Barbados 3-0 USVI
    USVI 1-3 Barbados

    Turks and Caicos 1-3 SKN
    SKN 4-0 Turks and Caicos

    Nicaragua 4-0 Anguilla
    Anguilla 1-3 Nicaragua

    Belize 2-1 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 1-1 Belize

    Curacao 3-0 Montserrat
    Montserrat 1-2 Curacao
     
  7. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Predict actual scores like Dr. Gamera did. Here are my predictions, which are close to Dr. Gamera's (I predicted the same score as him for exactly one leg of every series):

    Bahamas 1:1 Bermuda
    Bermuda 2:0 Bahamas

    British Virgin Islands 1:2 Dominica
    Dominica 2:1 British Virgin Islands

    Barbados 3:0 US Virgin Islands
    US Virgin Islands 1:2 Barbados

    Turks and Caicos Islands 0:2 St. Kitts and Nevis
    St. Kitts and Nevis 4:0 Turks and Caicos Islands

    Nicaragua 4:0 Anguilla
    Anguilla 0:2 Nicaragua

    Belize 2:0 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 1:1 Belize

    Curacao 3:0 Montserrat
    Monserrat 2:2 Curacao

    Aggregate winners: Bermuda, Dominica, Barbados, St. Kitts and Nevis, Nicaragua, Belize, and Curacao

    I'm going to adjust the score predictions differently than I have in the past. First each score prediction will get:

    4 for an exact score
    3 for a correct result and 1 goal too high on both teams, 1 goal too low on both teams, or 1 goal off on either direction on one team and correct for the other team
    2 for any other correct result
    0 for a wrong result

    After the 14 games, I will add up everybody's score out of 56. The highest score will get a perfect adjusted score of 2.1. The lowest score will get an adjusted score of 0. Perfect scores and scores of 0 can happen more than once if there is a tie. Everybody else will be distributed proportionally. To give a simple example, let's say the highest score was 31 and the lowest score was 10, for a range of 21 (I picked 21 because it is a multiple of 2.1). Each person's adjusted score would be (score - 10)/10. A person with 25 points would get (25 - 10)/10 = 1.5 adjusted points out of 2.1. It is likely that the scores will not work out to multiples of 0.1 and I will have to round decimals.

    The aggregate winner predictions are simple to evaluate. They are worth 2.1 points (0.3 each).

    If anybody wants to use these:

    http://www.eloratings.net/america.html is the ELO Ratings for CONCACAF and some other countries
    http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/concacaf.html is the FIFA Rankings for CONCACAF
     
  8. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    I wanted to propose similar rules, predicting game outcomes only isn't funny. :D

    My proposal would be this:
    correct result: 3 pts
    correct difference: 2 pts (like, result is 5-1, you predicted 4-0, you get 2 pts)
    correct outcome: 1 pt (like, resul is 3-0, you predicted 1-0)

    I play and run few games with this scheme at one Croatian forum.


    Anyway, my predictions:

    Bahamas 2-0 Bermuda
    Bermuda 1-1 Bahamas
    Bahamas

    British Virgin Islands 0-2 Dominica
    Dominica 6-1 British Virgin Islands
    Dominica

    Barbados 2-0 U.S. Virgin Islands
    U.S. Virgin Islands 1-2 Barbados
    Barbados

    Turks and Caicos Islands 0-3 St. Kitts and Nevis
    St. Kitts and Nevis 5-0 Turks and Caicos Islands
    St. Kitts and Nevis

    Nicaragua 5-0 Anguilla
    Anguilla 0-3 Nicaragua
    Nicaragua

    Belize 4-1 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 1-3 Belize
    Belize

    Curacao 7-0 Montserrat
    Montserrat 1-4 Curacao
    Curacao
     
  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I use to grade score predictions on a 3, 2, 1, or 0 scale but then I decided that a correct outcome should be worth more than one-third of an exact score, so I now grade on a 4, 3, 2, or 0 scale. Just like in qualifying for World Cup 2014, this contest will include every round of qualifying and take well over two years. http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads...4-prediction-contest-hexagonal.1977735/page-4 has the final standings from the last prediction contest. In the Semifinals and Hexagonal people will need to make standings predictions, so it won't be game outcomes only. For the whole competition, 58.4% will be from score predictions and 41.6% will be from standings predictions.
     
  10. jagum

    jagum Member

    CF Montreal
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    My predictions First Round :

    Bahamas 0-3 Bermuda
    Bermuda 4-0 Bahamas

    British Virgin Islands 0-4 Dominica
    Dominica 3-1 British Virgin Islands

    Barbados 2-1 US Virgin Islands
    US Virgin Islands 1-4 Barbados

    Turks and Caicos Islands 0-5 St. Kitts and Nevis
    St. Kitts and Nevis 6-0 Turks and Caicos Islands

    Nicaragua 9-1 Anguilla
    Anguilla 0-5 Nicaragua

    Belize 1-0 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 2-2 Belize

    Curacao 5-0 Montserrat
    Montserrat 0-2 Curacao
     
  11. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Evan, why would the worst total of this round get an adjusted score of zero? Elimination purposes?
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody is eliminated. Anybody can predict any round. It's possible to be mathematically eliminated from winning the contest before the last Hexagonal matchday just like a team could be eliminated before the last matchday. My reason for adjusting scores to 0 (which i have done before) is that different components are worth different percentages, and different components are not predicted equally well. For example, Round 1 has score predictions and aggregate winner predictions worth 2.1% each. I'd expect most people to get at least 5 out of 7 teams that advance correctly. In order to get 5/7ths of the points from score predictions before they are adjusted, a person would need to predict the exact score for 5/7ths of the games (10 out of 14) with the other 4 results wrong or fewer exact scores and more correct results.
    You have made me thought of an alternate method of adjustment where nothing is adjusted to 0 (unless all your score predictions have the wrong result and are 0 without being adjusted). This alternate method would make score predictions and result predictions for Round 1 contribute the same amount of points for everybody combined. I would take each person's score predictions score and divide by the sum of the scores. Then I would multiple by a value determined by how good the aggregate winner predictions are. Maybe I'll type more about this later.
     
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  13. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bahamas 1-2 Bermuda
    Bermuda 2-0 Bahamas

    British Virgin Islands 0-5 Dominica
    Dominica 8-0 British Virgin Islands

    Barbados 8-0 US Virgin Islands
    US Virgin Islands 0-4 Barbados

    Turks and Caicos Islands 0-5 St. Kitts and Nevis
    St. Kitts and Nevis 7-0 Turks and Caicos Islands

    Nicaragua 6-0 Anguilla
    Anguilla 1-3 Nicaragua

    Belize 2-0 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 1-1 Belize

    Curacao 7-0 Montserrat
    Montserrat 0-4 Curacao
     
  14. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bahamas 1-2 Bermuda
    Bermuda 3-0 Bahamas

    BVI 1-1 Dominica
    Dominica 2-0 BVI

    Barbados 3-0 USVI
    USVI 0-3 Barbados

    Turks and Caicos 1-2 SKN
    SKN 2-0 Turks and Caicos

    Nicaragua 5-0 Anguilla
    Anguilla 1-2 Nicaragua

    Belize 1-1 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 1-1 Belize
    Belize advances

    Curacao 2-1 Montserrat
    Montserrat 1-1 Curacao
     
  15. Outburstz

    Outburstz Member

    Jun 22, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  16. ioppolo

    ioppolo Member

    Jul 23, 2014
    Perth, Australia
    Club:
    Perth Glory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Bahamas 1-0 Bermuda
    Bermuda 3-1 Bahamas

    BVI 0-2 Dominica
    Dominica 5-0 BVI

    Barbados 4-0 USVI
    USVI 0-1 Barbados

    TCI 1-3 St. Kitts and Nevis
    St Kitts and Nevis 4-1 TCI

    Nicaragua 6-0 Anguilla
    Anguilla 0-2 Nicaragua

    Belize 4-1 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 0-0 Belize

    Curacao 3-0 Montserrat
    Montserrat 0-0 Curacao
     
  17. PaulieJay

    PaulieJay Member

    Sep 10, 2013
    Iowa, United States
    Club:
    Wolverhampton Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Home team first:

    Bahamas 1 -Bermuda 1
    Bermuda 2 Bahamas 1
    Bermuda wins 3-2

    British Virgin Islands 1 Dominica 0
    Dominica 3 British Virgin Islands 1
    Dominica wins 3-2

    Barbados 6 U.S. Virgin Islands 0
    U.S. Virgin Islands 1 Barbados 3
    Barbados wins 9-1

    Turks and Caicos Islands 1 St. Kitts and Nevis 3
    St. Kitts and Nevis 3 Turks and Caicos Islands 0
    St. Kitts and Nevis wins 6-1

    Nicaragua 2 Anguilla 0
    Anguilla 0 Nicaragua 1
    Nicaragua wins 3-0

    Belize 4 -Cayman Islands 2
    Cayman Islands 0 Belize 1
    Belize wins 5-2

    Curacao 3 Montserrat 1
    Montserrat 0 Curacao 1
    Curacao wins 4-1
     
  18. chec

    chec Member

    Feb 9, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Trinidad and Tobago
    Bahamas 1-1 Bermuda
    Bermuda 2-0 Bahamas

    BVI 1-2 Dominica
    Dominica 2-0 BVI

    Barbados 3-1USVI
    USVI 1-2 Barbados

    Turks and Caicos 1-2 SKN
    SKN 4-0 Turks and Caicos

    Nicaragua 4-0 Anguilla
    Anguilla 0-0 Nicaragua

    Belize 2-1 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 1-1 Belize

    Curacao 3-0 Montserrat
    Montserrat 0-1 Curacao
     
  19. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wikipedia says there was a change and St. Kitts and Nevis will now host the first leg.
     
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  20. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    My picks are still (home team first):

    SKN 4-0 Turks and Caicos
    Turks and Caicos 1-3 SKN

    I've just flipped them around to list the matches in the correct order.
     
  21. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Bahamas 1:3 Bermuda
    Bermuda 4:0 Bahamas

    British Virgin Islands 1-2 Dominica
    Dominica 3-1 British Virgin Islands

    Barbados 5:1 US Virgin Islands
    US Virgin Islands 0:2 Barbados

    Turks and Caicos Islands 0:2 St. Kitts and Nevis
    St. Kitts and Nevis 3:0 Turks and Caicos Islands

    Nicaragua 7:0 Anguilla
    Anguilla 0:3 Nicaragua

    Belize 3:0 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 1:2 Belize

    Curaçao 4:0 Montserrat
    Montserrat 1:2 Curaçao
     
  23. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Bahamas 1-0 Bermuda
    Bermuda 2-0 Bahamas

    BVI 1-2 Dominica
    Dominica 2-0 BVI

    Barbados 4-0 USVI
    USVI 1-2 Barbados

    Turks and Caicos 1-3 SKN
    SKN 4-0 Turks and Caicos

    Nicaragua 5-0 Anguilla
    Anguilla 1-3 Nicaragua

    Belize 3-0 Cayman Islands
    Cayman Islands 1-1 Belize

    Curacao 5-0 Montserrat
    Montserrat 1-2 Curacao
     
  24. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The games begin on Sunday. Only 12 people have predicted so far compared to 31 in Round 1 of qualifying for World Cup 2014.

    @ChaChaFut
    @drt2k3

    The order was changed and St. Kitts and Nevis will host the first leg.
     
  25. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Thank you; in that case, may I revise the scores as follows:

    St. Kitts and Nevis 3:1 Turks and Caicos Islands
    Turks and Caicos Islands 1:2 St. Kitts and Nevis
     

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