CONCACAF Nations League - A new competition for national teams

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  1. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IIRC in 2008, Cuba hosted the US at night.
     
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  2. jagum

    jagum Member

    CF Montreal
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    Exactly 2008 . Nowadays the matches in Pedro Marrero have been played during the day because of the lack of lighting. The information posted about kickoff time may not be accurate, unless the Cubans have modernized their stadium, which I doubt.
     
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  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cuba's last four home WCQs were at 2:00 P.M., 3:00 P.M., or 4:00 P.M. local.
     
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  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    www.concacaf.com says they divided Boys U-15 into three divisions like the Nations League. https://www.concacaf.com/en/under-1...oncacaf-boys-under-15-championship-division-1 lists the teams in Division 1, which has 4 groups of 4. 14 of them are in Concacaf along with guests Portugal and Slovenia. Division 2 also has 4 groups of 4 and has one guest, Israel. Division 3 has 2 groups of 5. That's a total of 39 Concacaf teams, which is 2 fewer than 41. The games will be from August 4 through 11 in Bradenton, Florida.
     
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  5. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The schedule for the first two matchdays:

    Worth noting that the Final Four is now scheduled for June 2020 rather than March.
     
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  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today's schedule gives us the answer: Cuba will be playing their home games in the Cayman Islands.
     
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  7. nfitz

    nfitz Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Toronto
    Gosh - has it come to that? I'm surprised.
     
  8. LordofBrewtown

    Wigan Athletic
    United States
    Nov 19, 2018
    What's the reason for playing in the Cayman Islands instead of Cuba?
     
  9. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    CONCACAF requires the games to be played in the evening and their stadium has no lights or something about them aren't in compliance
     
  10. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Club games (CL and CCL), yes...but that can't be the issue here, if the USVI are playing their home game at 3 in the afternoon.
     
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  11. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is notable that he mentions the stadium requirements specifically for a League A match and all the afternoon starts are in League C. I'm guessing that they want the League A matches in the evening for TV purposes.
     
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  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #487 EvanJ, Aug 9, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2019
    I wonder why, and I wonder what the scenarios will be for the Final Four determining the top 6 in the FIFA Rankings for WCQ seeding.

    About half of the CCL games start at 10:00 P.M. It's nice that of the 34 games, 30 will start at 8:00 P.M. or earlier, 2 will start at 9:00 P.M., and 2 will start at 10:00 P.M. The average start time rounded to the nearest minute is 6:00 P.M., albeit some games will start a few minutes later.
     
  13. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States




     
  14. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USSoccer has shared the TV schedule for its Nations League games:

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    Given that their matches have been scheduled as double-headers with Mexico, I would not be surprised to see Mexico's games on Unimás and TUDN as well, if not Univisión itself.

    Now that we know that Univisión has the Spanish-language rights (at least to the high-profile games), here's hoping that they got the full rights to the tournament and will show a couple games in September as well - I mean, given that it's a FIFA break, it's not like they would have anything else to show other than Liga MX friendlies.
     
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  15. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess ESPN2 and FS1 split the rights. Each channel has one home game and one away game, so it's not like WCQs where beIN had the away rights, and maybe all the English rights in Concacaf other than USA's home games.

    I'm a Yankee fan, and they could play during the USA's October 15 game. There won't be any AL playoff games on October 11. October 15 will have ALCS Game 3 and NLCS Game 4. I'm not counting on it, but if the Yankees are in the ALCS I hope they play a day game with the NLCS at night. October 15 should be the USA's hardest game, so I can't ignore it expecting an easy win like I could against Cuba.
     
  16. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My wish came true! :D

    The following games will be shown on TUDN (Univisión Deportes):

    (start times are 10min before kickoff to cover national anthems :D )

    Thursday, September 5

    Bermuda vs. Panama, 5:50 p.m.
    Nicaragua vs. St. Vincent and the Grenadines, 7:50 p.m.
    Guatemala vs. Anguilla, 9:50 p.m.

    Saturday, September 7

    Curaçao vs. Haiti, 5:50 p.m.
    Canada vs. Cuba, 7:50 p.m.
    El Salvador vs. St. Lucia, 9:50 p.m.

    Sunday, September 8

    Panama vs. Bermuda, 8:50 p.m.

    Nothing on Monday, and I'll be able to see Tuesday's fare in my Xfinity guide this evening.
     
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  17. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    UPDATED:

    2019-20 CONCACAF Nations League
    Group Stage
    Home team first, times are ET

    Matchday 1
    Thursday, September 5
    (C) US Virgin Islands v. Cayman Islands 3:00 pm
    (B) Dominica v. Suriname 4:00 pm
    (C) Barbados v. Saint Martin 6:00 pm
    (A) Bermuda v. Panama 6:00 pm
    (B) Grenada v. St. Kitts & Nevis 6:00 pm
    (B) Fr. Guiana v. Belize 8:00 pm
    (B) Nicaragua v. St. Vincent & the Grenadines 8:00 pm
    (C) Guatemala v. Anguilla 10:00 pm

    Friday, September 6
    (C) Bonaire v. Br. Virgin Islands @ Curacao 3:00 pm
    (A) Martinique v. Trinidad & Tobago 6:00 pm
    (B) Aruba v. Guyana @ Curacao 7:00 pm
    (B) Jamaica v. Antigua & Barbuda 8:00 pm

    Saturday, September 7
    (B) Montserrat v. Dominican Republic 3:00 pm
    (C) Guadeloupe v. Sint Maarten 5:00 pm
    (A) Curacao v. Haiti 6:00 pm
    (A) Canada v. Cuba 8:00 pm
    (B) El Salvador v. St. Lucia 10:00 pm

    Matchday 2
    Sunday, September 8
    (C) Saint Martin v. US Virgin Islands @ Anguilla 3:00 pm
    (B) Belize v. Grenada 6:00 pm
    (B) St. Vincent & the Grenadines v. Dominica 6:00 pm
    (B) Suriname v. Nicaragua 6:00 pm
    (B) St. Kitts & Nevis v. Fr. Guiana 7:00 pm
    (C) Cayman Islands v. Barbados 7:30 pm
    (A) Panama v. Bermuda 9:00 pm

    Monday, September 9
    (B) Antigua & Barbuda v. Aruba 3:00 pm
    (C) Bahamas v. Bonaire 6:00 pm
    (B) Guyana v. Jamaica 7:00 pm
    (A) Trinidad & Tobago v. Martinique 9:00 pm

    Tuesday, September 10
    (C) Puerto Rico v. Guatemala 2:00 pm
    (C) Turks & Caicos v. Guadeloupe 3:00 pm
    (B) Montserrat v. St. Lucia 4:00 pm
    (B) Dominican Republic v. El Salvador 6:00 pm
    (A) Haiti v. Curacao 6:00 pm
    (A) Cuba v. Canada @ Cayman Islands 7:15 pm
     
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  18. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are 19 links with the titles in all capitals because that's how Concacaf wrote them:

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/e...licate-success-of-neighbors-in-nations-league is titled "ANGUILLA OUT TO REPLICATE SUCCESS OF NEIGHBORS IN NATIONS LEAGUE."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/bahamas-striving-for-consistency-in-league-c is titled "BAHAMAS STRIVING FOR CONSISTENCY IN LEAGUE C."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/barbados-taking-aim-at-nations-league-promotion is titled "BARBADOS TAKING AIM AT NATIONS LEAGUE PROMOTION."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/bermuda-s-wade-to-be-the-best-you-have-to-beat-the-best is titled "BERMUDA’S WADE: ‘TO BE THE BEST, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE BEST’."

    https://www.concacafnationsleague.c...o-be-playing-have-way-more-experience-than-us is titled "BERMUDA´S LIGHTBOURNE: “ THE TEAMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PLAYING HAVE WAY MORE EXPERIENCE THAN US.”

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/bonaire-s-building-project-continues-in-group-b is titled "BONAIRE’S BUILDING PROJECT CONTINUES IN GROUP B."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/cnlq-experience-has-cayman-islands-steeled-for-league-c is titled "CNLQ EXPERIENCE HAS CAYMAN ISLANDS STEELED FOR LEAGUE C."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/el-salvador-ready-to-meet-expectations-in-league-b is titled "EL SALVADOR READY TO MEET EXPECTATIONS IN LEAGUE B."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/french-guiana-seeking-consistency-in-nations-league is titled "FRENCH GUIANA SEEKING CONSISTENCY IN NATIONS LEAGUE."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/e...teady-improvement-to-be-on-display-in-group-a is titled "GRENADA’S STEADY IMPROVEMENT TO BE ON DISPLAY IN GROUP A."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/growth-of-dominican-republic-garnering-attention is titled "GROWTH OF DOMINICAN REPUBLIC GARNERING ATTENTION."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/e...e-a-chance-for-saint-martin-to-take-next-step is titled "NATIONS LEAGUE A CHANCE FOR SAINT MARTIN TO TAKE NEXT STEP."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/e...boost-for-us-virgin-islands-in-nations-league is titled "NEW HOME A BIG BOOST FOR US VIRGIN ISLANDS IN NATIONS LEAGUE."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/promotion-on-guadeloupe-s-mind-as-it-begins-league-c is titled "PROMOTION ON GUADELOUPE’S MIND AS IT BEGINS LEAGUE C."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/promotion-to-league-a-motivating-montserrat is titled "PROMOTION TO LEAGUE A MOTIVATING MONTSERRAT."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/e...king-to-find-scoring-stride-in-nations-league is titled "PUERTO RICO SEEKING TO FIND SCORING STRIDE IN NATIONS LEAGUE."

    https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/article/saint-lucia-steered-for-success-in-nations-league is titled "SAINT LUCIA STEERED FOR SUCCESS IN NATIONS LEAGUE."

    https://www.concacafnationsleague.c...arten-on-the-rise-heading-into-nations-league is titled "SINT MAARTEN ON THE RISE HEADING INTO NATIONS LEAGUE."

    https://concacafnationsleague.com/e...enter-nations-league-brimming-with-confidence is titled "TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS ENTER NATIONS LEAGUE BRIMMING WITH CONFIDENCE."
     
  19. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    CNL multiplier will be (X25) instead of (X15)
    For the FIFA Men’s World Ranking, all 2019-2020 Concacaf Nations League matches will be granted a coefficient score which corresponds to qualification matches to a Confederations final competition, rather than friendly international matches played during FIFA International Match Calendar window.
     
  20. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uh...thank you Concacaf? :confused:

    So that changes the calculus for all of us. @Robert Borden let me bother you first: what does Canada need in order to make the Hex now?

    Also, don't they mean "a coefficient score which corresponds to qualification matches to a Confederations final competition" - rather than Nations League matches (that have a different coefficient score to friendlies)?
     
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  21. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On another note...

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    I get the distinct impression that these two playoff rounds are a one-time deal to give Guatemala a shot at qualifying...'cause in a normal window (e.g. the time between the 2026 WC finals and the 2027 Gold Cup), there would only be enough time for the group stage and one playoff round. Nevertheless, I'm glad they adopted my idea of Gold Cup qualifying playoffs at all :D
     
  22. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #497 Robert Borden, Sep 4, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2019
    From my estimation and I have some people running some maths,

    A.Canada would need to be perfect in group stage (4 wins, 0 loss) with a meltdown from
    • Honduras (Trinidad-Martinique group) should win the group but Martinique gets you 0 points
    • Panama(Mexico-Bermuda group) should remain in League A, no playoffs
    • El Salvador (Dominican Republic-St.Lucia-Monserrat) League B means no playoffs
    B.If Honduras wins the group, Canada MUST also advance
    • Canada must reach the finals by winning its semifinals (avoiding Mexico)
    • Honduras must lose its semifinals (Hoping Mexico are their opponents)
    C.If Canada wins the whole tournament, they should leapfrog to #6 but barely
    • They will need to play and win against good teams in the remaining windows to maintain their 6th spot

    2nd part of you question
    • 05 – friendlies played outside the International Match Calendar windows
    • 10 – friendlies played within the International Match Calendar windows
    • 15 – Nations League matches (group stage)
    • 25 – Nations League matches (play-offs and finals)
    • 25 – Confederations' final competitions qualifiers, FIFA World Cup qualifiers
    • 35 – Confederations' final competitions matches (before quarter-finals)
    • 40 – Confederations' final competitions matches (quarter-finals and later)
    • 50 – FIFA World Cup matches (before quarter-finals)
    • 60 – FIFA World Cup matches (quarter-finals and later)
    Basically, by attaching the Gold Cup qualifiers to the whole tournament, we went from Blue to Red in the group stage instead of the game being just friendlies replacement as it was supposed to be at the beginning
     
  23. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That increase in the ranking weights could be significant for the hex qualification race. W/L results involving teams that are relatively near each other in points will now yield a point value greater than +/- 10 points. Also those two new Gold Cup qualifying rounds will be additional 25-weighted matches before the hex deadline, if any contending teams are participating.
     
  24. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...so actually, what's better for all the chasers? El Salvador to win their group (dropping points here and there) so that they have no more competitive games before the WCQ draw, or them finishing 2nd and potentially getting 4 more games?
     
  25. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Best they win their group while dropping points here and there
     

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