CONCACAF Nations League - A new competition for national teams

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  1. rickie22

    rickie22 Member

    Vancouver Whitecaps FC
    Nov 25, 2017
    Vancouver, Canada
  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    UPDATED: with the Canada change and to correct some errors.

    2019-20 CONCACAF Nations League
    Qualifying Round
    Home team first, times are ET

    Matchday 3
    Thursday, January 3
    Br. Virgin Is. v. Bonaire @ Anguilla 1:45 pm

    Matchday 4
    Thursday, March 21
    Br. Virgin Is. v. Turks & Caicos Is. @ Anguilla 4:00 pm

    Friday, March 22

    St. Vincent & the Grenadines v. Bonaire 3:00 pm
    Anguilla v. US Virgin Is. 6:00 pm
    Cayman Is. v. Montserrat 6:30 pm

    Saturday, March 23
    Guyana v. Belize 6:00 pm
    Suriname v. St. Kitts & Nevis 6:30 pm
    Guadeloupe v. Martinique 8:00 pm
    El Salvador v. Jamaica 10:00 pm

    Sunday, March 24
    Puerto Rico v. Grenada 4:00 pm
    Haiti v. Cuba 6:30 pm
    Canada v. Fr. Guiana 6:00 pm
    Dominican Rep. v. Bermuda 8:00 pm
    Barbados v. Nicaragua 8:00 pm

    Monday, March 25
    Antigua & Barbuda v. Curacao 6:00 pm
    St. Lucia v. Aruba 6:00 pm
    Sint Maarten v. St. Martin @ Anguilla 8:00 pm

    Tuesday, March 26
    Dominica v. Bahamas @ Guadeloupe 6:00 pm

    League play starts on September 2, 2019.
     
  3. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a missed opportunity for this derby, but I'm guessing that island is still recovering from the devastation it suffered last year.
     
  4. JFoot23

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    Jan 18, 2014
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  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Updated standings after Barbados forfeited their Matchday 1 draw against Guyana. The teams still alive for the Gold Cup also changes.

    2019-20 CONCACAF Nations League
    Qualifying Round

    2019 Gold Cup slots in italics.
    Teams in Red cannot qualify for the Gold Cup.

    Standings
    1. Curacao 3 g.p. 9 pts +21
    2. Haiti 3 g.p. 9 pts +16
    3. Canada 3 g.p. 9 pts +14
    4. Cuba 3 g.p. 9 pts +14
    5. Jamaica 3 g.p. 9 pts +11
    6. Martinique 3 g.p. 9 pts +7
    -------------------------------------
    7. Bermuda 3 g.p. 6 pts +11
    8. Guyana 3 g.p. 6 pts +10
    9. St. Kitts & Nevis 3 g.p. 6 pts +10
    10. Dominican Rep. 3 g.p. 6 pts +7

    11. Nicaragua 3 g.p. 6 pts +6
    12. Fr. Guiana 3 g.p. 6 pts +5
    13. Belize 3 g.p. 6 pts +4
    14. El Salvador 3 g.p. 6 pts +3
    15. Montserrat 3 g.p. 6 pts +2
    16. Suriname 3 g.p. 4 pts +4
    17. St. Lucia 3 g.p. 4 pts +2
    18. Aruba 3 g.p. 4 pts +0
    19. Guadeloupe 3 g.p. 4 pts -3
    20. Dominica 3 g.p. 4 pts -3
    21. Antigua & Barbuda 3 g.p. 3 pts +1
    22. St. Vincent & Gren. 3 g.p. 3 pts -2
    -----------------------------------------
    23. Barbados 3 g.p. 3 pts -3
    24. Grenada 3 g.p. 3 pts -9
    25. Turks & Caicos Is. 3 g.p. 3 pts -18
    26. Cayman Is. 3 g.p. 1 pts -7
    27. Bahamas 3 g.p. 1 pts -10
    28. Anguilla 3 g.p. 1 pts -11
    29. Puerto Rico 3 g.p. 0 pts -3
    30. Br. Virgin Is. 2 g.p. 0 pts -9
    31. Bonaire 2 g.p. 0 pts -11
    32. Saint Marten 3 g.p. 0 pts -16
    33. US Virgin Is. 3 g.p. 0 pts -16
    34. Sint Maarten 3 g.p. 0 pts -27


    Matchday 4: March 21-26, 2019
     
  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yo...I should really get to sending my resume to the Barbados FA. This is the second time in recent years that they've forfeited a game for fielding an ineligible player! I'll take a full-time salary to go on the Internet once every couple weeks and make sure the NT lineups are kosher :D
     
  7. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Has anyone seen information on the rescheduled British Virgin Islands v. Bonaire 3rd round game? I see some online score sites that say the game is on January 3, 2019 but I don't see it anywhere else. I can't believe they are playing tomorrow and there is no mention of it on the CONCACAF site or anywhere else.
     
  8. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only (unverified) info I can find:

     
  9. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Thanks. So maybe it was going to be today but now it isn't.

    I guess.
     
  10. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So I checked in with an expert...



    Absent any official note saying that the game was for January 3, I'll take Caribbean Footy's word for it. FWIW the CNL website doesn't have an official date for the match, either.
     
  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    https://www.flosports.tv/concacaf-selects-flosports-u-s-broadcast-partner-concacaf-nations-league/

    FloSports is a streaming service that you can access via devices like Roku and Apple TV. It looks like it costs $12.50 a month.

    According to this article USA games in the CNL are not part of the deal.

    https://www.sunherald.com/sports/article225187470.html
     
  12. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's hoping Univisión Deportes or Telemundo/NBC Universo picks up the Spanish-language rights.

    Btw, check this out from the official press release:

    Did you catch the difference? In the past, Concacaf had hinted at the CNL being used as qualifiers for "international tournaments". Referring specifically to the Gold Cup now suggests a dip in enthusiasm over the possibility of collaborating with CONMEBOL again like they did in 2016. And given what CONMEBOL's president himself has shared about where they stand...

    It looks like the hoped-for 2020 joint Copa América in the US will be sacrificed on the altar of territorial squabbling. :thumbsdown:
     
  13. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Updated: Lots of changes and a date for the last 3rd round game.
    I'm not 100% sure on the game times.

    2019-20 CONCACAF Nations League
    Qualifying Round
    Home team first, times are ET

    Matchday 3
    Sunday, March 24
    Br. Virgin Is. v. Bonaire @ Anguilla 3:00 pm

    Matchday 4
    Thursday, March 21
    Br. Virgin Is. v. Turks & Caicos Is. @ Anguilla 3:00 pm
    St. Vincent & the Grenadines v. Bonaire 3:00 pm

    Friday, March 22

    Anguilla v. US Virgin Islands 3:00 pm
    St. Lucia v. Aruba 6:00 pm
    Cayman Islands v. Montserrat 6:30 pm

    Saturday, March 23
    Dominica v. Bahamas @ Guadeloupe 2:30 pm
    Sint Maarten v. St. Martin @ Anguilla 3:00 pm
    Antigua & Barbuda v. Curacao 6:00 pm
    Suriname v. St. Kitts & Nevis 6:30 pm
    Guyana v. Belize 6:30 pm
    Guadeloupe v. Martinique 8:00 pm
    El Salvador v. Jamaica 10:00 pm

    Sunday, March 24
    Puerto Rico v. Grenada 4:00 pm
    Haiti v. Cuba 6:30 pm
    Dominican Republic v. Bermuda 8:00 pm
    Barbados v. Nicaragua 8:00 pm
    Canada v. French Guiana 9:00 pm


    League play starts on September 2, 2019.
     
  14. devioustrevor

    devioustrevor Member

    Jun 17, 2007
    Napanee, Ontario
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    If Montserrat end up missing out on the Gold Cup due to goal differential, that last second goal they conceded vs. El Salvador will likely haunt their players for a long, long time.
     
  15. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So Caribbean Footy, the best source bar none for all things football in the Caribbean basin, just laid into St. Vincent and the Grenadines :eek:







     
  16. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The draw will be on March 27...and Concacaf has finally confirmed that Guatemala will participate, down in League C. Now the question is, how far will they have to climb to qualify for a Gold Cup in the near future.
     
  17. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The Leagues will be like this right:
    A: 12 teams
    B: 16 teams
    C: 13 teams

    After the first league season is done 4 teams will move up to League B from League C, right? So if Guatemala wins their group in C they would become one of the top 28 teams but they would surely be in the 25-28 positions.

    If the Gold Cup stays with the top 16 it seems like Guatemala would have to win their League B group in the 2020-2022 CNL to get up into that range. So the earliest Guatemala could get into the Gold Cup would be 2023. If nothing else changes.

    I made a lot of assumptions here and am probably wrong.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the thing, we don't know for sure. Their continental ranking is still pretty high; once they make it to League B, unless they lose too many points from playing with scrubs for a year, they should be a top seed in their league for the following CNL draw. More importantly, if Concacaf gets cheeky and decides to use the rankings for 2021 Gold Cup qualifying (e.g. winners and runners-up from 2019-20 CNL League A groups + next best 8 in the rankings regardless of league), Guatemala could sneak in that way.
     
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  19. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    That makes more sense. I missed this part of the draw:

    So the Qualifying order is just to see which league you are in and then the CONCACAF rankings determine your pot. Guatemala could advance into league B out of C and then be a Pot 1 or 2 team in the actual draw.

    They could definitely do the Gold Cup as you suggest.
     
  20. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #370 Paul Calixte, Mar 7, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2019
    Speaking of which: here are the pots for League A as things currently stand.

    Pot A1

    Mexico
    USA
    Costa Rica
    Honduras

    Pot A2

    Panama
    Jamaica
    Canada
    Haiti

    Pot A3

    Trinidad and Tobago
    Martinique
    Cuba
    Curaçao
     
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  21. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #371 Paul Calixte, Mar 8, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2019
    Mind you, I just now realized that with the Nov 2018 ranking, Haiti needs El Salvador to miss out or we'll end up in the lowest pot. :(

    EDIT: Silly me, I was confusing League A and Gold Cup qualification. For the latter, it's no skin on my back if El Salvador make it or not (although the lulz if they fail will be endless), but they would have to beat Jamaica by at least 4 goals to even have a shot at League A. Never mind :p
     
  22. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Thursday and Friday results:

    2019-20 CONCACAF Nations League
    Qualifying Round
    Home team first, times are CT

    Matchday 3
    Sunday, March 24
    Br. Virgin Is. v. Bonaire @ Anguilla 2:00 pm

    Matchday 4
    Thursday, March 21
    Br. Virgin Is. 2-2 Turks & Caicos Is.
    St. Vincent & the Grenadines 2-1 Bonaire

    Friday, March 22

    Anguilla 0-3 US Virgin Islands
    St. Lucia 3-2 Aruba
    Cayman Islands 1-2 Montserrat

    Saturday, March 23
    Dominica v. Bahamas @ Guadeloupe 1:30 pm
    Sint Maarten v. St. Martin @ Anguilla 2:00 pm
    Antigua & Barbuda v. Curacao 5:00 pm
    Suriname v. St. Kitts & Nevis 5:30 pm
    Guyana v. Belize 5:30 pm
    Guadeloupe v. Martinique 7:00 pm
    El Salvador v. Jamaica 9:00 pm

    Sunday, March 24
    Puerto Rico v. Grenada 3:00 pm
    Haiti v. Cuba 5:30 pm
    Dominican Republic v. Bermuda 7:00 pm
    Barbados v. Nicaragua 7:00 pm
    Canada v. French Guiana 8:00 pm

    Standings
    2019 Gold Cup slots in italics.
    Teams in Red cannot qualify for the Gold Cup.
    Teams in BOLD are locked into their current Group.

    1. Curacao 3 g.p. 9 pts +21
    2. Haiti 3 g.p. 9 pts +16
    3. Canada 3 g.p. 9 pts +14
    4. Cuba 3 g.p. 9 pts +14
    5. Jamaica 3 g.p. 9 pts +11
    6. Martinique 3 g.p. 9 pts +7
    -------------------------------------
    7. Montserrat 4 g.p. 9 pts +3
    8. St. Lucia 4 g.p. 7 pts +3
    9. Bermuda 3 g.p. 6 pts +11
    10. Guyana 3 g.p. 6 pts +10

    11. St. Kitts & Nevis 3 g.p. 6 pts +10
    12. Dominican Rep. 3 g.p. 6 pts +7
    13. Nicaragua 3 g.p. 6 pts +6
    14. Fr. Guiana 3 g.p. 6 pts +5
    15. Belize 3 g.p. 6 pts +4
    16. El Salvador 3 g.p. 6 pts +3
    17. St. Vincent & Gren. 4 g.p. 6 pts -1
    18. Suriname 3 g.p. 4 pts +4
    19. Aruba 4 g.p. 4 pts -1
    20. Guadeloupe 3 g.p. 4 pts -3
    21. Dominica 3 g.p. 4 pts -3
    22. Turks & Caicos Is. 4 g.p. 4 pts -18
    -----------------------------------------
    23. Antigua & Barbuda 3 g.p. 3 pts +1
    24. Barbados 3 g.p. 3 pts -3
    25. Grenada 3 g.p. 3 pts -9
    26. US Virgin Is. 4 g.p. 3 pts -13
    27. Cayman Is. 4 g.p. 1 pts -8

    28. Br. Virgin Is. 3 g.p. 1 pts -9
    29. Bahamas 3 g.p. 1 pts -10
    30. Anguilla 4 g.p. 1 pts -14
    31. Puerto Rico 3 g.p. 0 pts -3
    32. Bonaire 3 g.p. 0 pts -12
    33. Saint Marten 3 g.p. 0 pts -16
    34. Sint Maarten 3 g.p. 0 pts -27


    League play starts on September 2, 2019.
     
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  23. TFCREDMENACE

    TFCREDMENACE Member

    Toronto FC
    Brazil
    Feb 4, 2019
    Ontario
    Its truly amazing how CONCACRAP. Can cone up with this useless nations league
     
  24. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    They didn't come-up with it... they simply implemented it. Can't give CONCACAF that much credit. ;)
     
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  25. TFCREDMENACE

    TFCREDMENACE Member

    Toronto FC
    Brazil
    Feb 4, 2019
    Ontario
    Surely a proper gold cup qualifying tournament like wcq set up would be much better.. U have sides like canada beating up on minnows to get to a tournament the really should not be in..
     

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