CONCACAF Champions League Coefficient

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions League' started by ArsenalMetro, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, they can't. The competition rules permit them to play at any stadium in the country that meets the CONCACAF stadium requirements. These is no stadium in either country right now that meets those requirements.

    According to CONCACAF, the problems with that stadium include no press box, a no-seat stadium (terraces for about 5,000), no digital clock for the game time, and night-game lighting that doesn't meet minimum standards for televised games.

    They've been renovating more this year and there's a chance they'll be approved next year...but that's what they said the year before, also.
     
  2. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    CONCACAF is being unrealistic with stadium requirements if they think Real Esteli isn't good enough. There is no way Belize or Nicaragua or other Central American teams are going to do much better then Real Esteli anytime soon. If their game isn't allowed to develop by playing home games then it will never be more then it is now. You might as well exclude Belize and Nicaragua forever because unless a big donor comes in neither has a shot at building a stadium good enough. It's like they are ignoring reality with their demands, either allow the game to grow were soccer has enough support and building a nice stadium makes economic sense or write them off forever.
     
  3. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    I would require them to have to play at the best stadium they have in their countries and agree that not allowing them to play at home would NOT be a good idea.
     
  4. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So...Belize and Nicaragua aren't going to try and hit up FIFA for GOAL Project money? Besides, Nicaragua had a national stadium in the works as of last year. How's that going?
     
  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    *ahem*

    What does this have to do with the coefficient? :)
     
  6. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Somebody brought up an "idea" that teams from certain Concacaf countries shouldn't be part of the Champions League,because of the state of their facilities.
     
  7. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    I am sure they will but like most feds you aren't dealing with bright and ethical people handling the stadium money. The realities of these 2 countries which include many factors aren't going to make it possible for a nice stadium soon. I know Nicaragua's fed has received donations to get their national stadium up to par however this is clearly the best they can or are willing to do. If Nicaragua had a better fed they could have a nice stadium I don't dispute that however the way feds are set up they don't have to be accountable. They can just keep getting money for the stadium and improve it at the snails pace as they have been doing. If it was possible to grow the game or being banned from this tournament forced the fed to step up and get things done or something positive came from banning them then I would say great but right now it only seems to have a negative affect.
     
  8. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the actual CONCACAF stadium requirements. Which of them do you think they should eliminate?

    10.4 Stadium Seating
    As a general rule, matches may only be played in all-seated stadia.
    a. If only stadia with both seating and standing areas are available, the
    standing space shall remain vacant.

    10.6 Lighting
    a. Since all games are evening games, they may be played only at venues
    where the floodlighting installations provide that the whole field is
    evenly lit to at least 800 Lux.
    b. An emergency power generation system shall be available which, in the
    event of a power failure, guarantees sufficient power for the safe egress
    of those in attendance.

    10.7 Other Stadium Facilities. Each stadium shall, as a minimum, provide the
    following facilities:
    a. Separate locker room facilities for the home team, away team and
    match officials, meeting international standards in terms of size,
    quality, and basic amenities such as hot water, towels, as determined
    by CONCACAF.
    b. Controlled Areas that may serve as post game interview areas.
    c. Room for post-game press conference, air conditioned if available.
    d. Facilities to accommodate broadcast and production operations,
    consisting of at least 2 enclosed booths for radio and TV and preferably
    at least 2 enclosed TV booths and 4 enclosed radio booths.
    e. Controlled seating for no less than 50 media personnel for Preliminary
    Round and Group Stage games, 80 for Elimination Round games.
    f. A media room, preferably air-conditioned and with high-speed internet
    access for all attending media, television monitors carrying a live feed
    of the match, and food and beverages for all attending media.
    g. Provide a private, secured box or comparable seating area for the
    officials of the visiting team.
    h. Broadcast facilities for television trucks including parking space,
    security, and power and two (2) phone lines in the location where the
    production trucks will be parked.
    i. A fully operable public address system, audible both inside and outside
    of the entire stadium, and an operator or announcer qualified in its use.
     
  9. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    They shouldn't be waved forever just allow the stadium to eventually get there while you grow the popularity of the tournament in those countries. Its unrealistic that either country will meet every requirement anytime soon so you are essentially righting them off. Its like being in a viscous cycle the stadiums won't be very good until the game becomes more popular, the game won't become much more popular until people are exposed to more then the ametuer league games that currently exist.

    The seating rule could easily be waved I never watch games in the seated section of the stadiums in Central America if that is how people watch games in those countries why not allow it? It is going to take a long time and cost a lot of money for something that is just about aesthetics. What is so wrong about allowing us to watch games taking cultural differences into account?

    The lighting issue is probably one of the issues that carries the most weight because it may be to difficult for TV to broadcast the games at the quality they like. However I recently watched a European game were the stadium was somewhat dark and the TV broadcast adjusted the coloring so it wouldn't come across that way. However TV broadcasters may not want to have to deal with that. I have watched night games for stadiums that have been rejected due to lighting on TV and while they aren't great they are no worse then watching a minor league baseball game thats at night or many of the stadiums that are already accepted for this tournament.

    Other things like internet access, accommodations for the press, and opposing team are valid and should probably be the real requirements that make a stadium unsuitable to host the games. Nicaragua already meets many of those requirements. If CONCACAF for a time would wave the aesthetic issues and just focus on the essentials such as accommodating the away team and the press to broadcast the games I wouldn't have a problem with the rules. It would also be more realistic for Nicaragua and other Central American teams to meet those requirements so they can host the games and grow local fan support for this tournament. Instead its a list of aesthetic and practical demands that are to overwhelming to overcome anytime soon.
     
  10. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume the seating vs standing requirement is for safetly rather than aesthetics.
     
  11. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right, but I'm sure that many people in South America, et al, would argue that safety is not a concern in standing areas as long as other precautions are taken.
     
  12. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    I agree. There are already several stadiums that have large sections of standing areas in this tournament. It can and is done safely in Central America for the most part already, especially given the number of fans that show up for a midweek game. Esteli already meets FIFA requirements this tournament won't draw more fans then the national team does so I don't think safety is the issue. This is how fans watch games in Nicaragua, for me part of the point of international tournaments is to allow for different cultural aspects to be on display not try to homogeneous different soccer cultures. However there is clearly a push to have stadiums with more amenities and better aesthetics by CONCACAF unfortunately not all of its members will be able to comply.
     
  13. haitifrancepsg

    haitifrancepsg New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Torcy, Île-de-France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    is anyone know if the national leagues coefficient will take in account for the allocation of the slots like for the uefa champions league?
     
  14. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Of course the coefficients play huge role in allocating spots for teams from a country in UEFA,both Champions League as well as Europa League{former UEFA Cup}...
     
  15. haitifrancepsg

    haitifrancepsg New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Torcy, Île-de-France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    For the moment it's not like this,because within the coefficient i see in this thread the mls are behind leagues like honduras though they get 4 teams and honduras teams 2.
     
  16. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Then MLS is "cheating" again...maybe that MLS gets more spots into pre-rounds and they qualify into the competition that way...

    Either way anything that has to do with MLS on all levels is phony and worrisome.
     
  17. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    This coefficient is also mine, not CONCACAF's.
     
  18. haitifrancepsg

    haitifrancepsg New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Torcy, Île-de-France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    So,CONCACAF don't take in account the coefficient?
     
  19. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Not sure,but sounds like they don't...just who's got the $$$
     
  20. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then why doesn't Canada have a group stage spot yet (when you could even make a case based on merit)?
     
  21. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    I guess that Canada only used to have one team in MLS,although,another 2 in USL and a bunch in CSL...They should have got at least one direct spot.
     
  22. haitifrancepsg

    haitifrancepsg New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Torcy, Île-de-France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    it's not going to give a good look to this competition
     
  23. haitifrancepsg

    haitifrancepsg New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Torcy, Île-de-France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    the only condition to participate to the CCL should be the merit, the regularity
     
  24. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    I agree...TFC from Toronto had no business being in the CCL at all.
     
  25. haitifrancepsg

    haitifrancepsg New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Torcy, Île-de-France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    The responsable is CONCACAF if they don't permit to clubs who wanna show something in this competition to play this competition for example allocating 4 slots to mls teams whereas they don't care about this competition instead of allocate them to honduras or costa rica teams.
     

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