CONCACAF Champions League Coefficient

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions League' started by ArsenalMetro, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only Salt Lake and Columbus.

    Toronto helps Montreal since they belong to Canada.
     
  2. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    Your anti Sounders bias is so blatant in these neutral type threads:p
    Your hate makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
     
  3. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too bad TFC couldn't hold on for a win vs. RSL, if they had, all 4 groups would be VERY interesting going down to the last matchday.

    With Seattle and RSL at home, and Columbus at Joe Public, the USA could have a productive last matchday.
     
  4. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2010-11 Group Stage, Matchday 5

    No bonuses have been added for clubs guaranteed to advance to the quarterfinals. All of those will be added at the conclusion of Matchday 6.

    Movement:
    - Puerto Rico and Santos past Pachuca
    - Olimpia past Columbus and Houston
    - Municipal past Arabe Unido and D.C. United
    - Monterrey past D.C. United
    - Real Salt Lake past Tauro
    - Toronto FC past Real Espana
    - Seattle past FAS, Isidro Metapan, and San Juan Jabloteh

    Code:
    League Coefficient              
    
    Nation         2008-09   2009-10   2010-11   Overall   
    Mexico          19.500    23.125    12.000    54.625
    Honduras        12.750     8.333     6.833    27.917  
    Canada          16.500     0.500     9.500    26.500   
    CFU              9.167     8.000     5.833    23.000   
    United States    4.625     8.375     7.375    20.375
    Panama           9.250     7.000     2.333    18.583  
    Guatemala        5.000     6.000     5.250    16.250
    Costa Rica       5.750     3.167     4.750    13.667
    El Salvador      5.250     3.500     4.000    12.750
    Nicaragua        0.500     0.000     0.000     0.500
    Belize           0.000     0.000     0.000     0.000
                    
                    
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10   2010-11    Overall
    Cruz Azul    23.4167    29.6313   11.0000    64.0480
    UNAM         16.4167    22.6313    0.0000    39.0480
    Marathon     14.2500    13.7500    6.2778    34.2778
    Toluca        0.0000    22.6313    9.0000    31.6313
    Puerto Rico  17.0556     5.6400    7.9444    30.6400
    Santos       19.4167     0.0000   11.0000    30.4167
    Pachuca       0.0000    28.6313    0.0000    28.6313
    Atlante      25.4167     0.0000    0.0000    25.4167
    Saprissa      8.9167     5.0450    6.5833    20.5450
    Olimpia      10.2500     0.0000    9.2778    19.5278
    Columbus      0.0000    10.7638    8.4583    19.2221
    Houston      10.5417     7.7638    0.0000    18.3055
    Montreal     16.5000     0.0000    0.0000    16.5000
    Municipal     6.6667     0.0000    7.7500    14.4167
    Arabe Unido   0.0000    10.3100    2.7778    13.0878
    Monterrey     0.0000     0.0000   13.0000    13.0000
    D.C. United   2.5417     9.7638    0.0000    12.3055
    Comunicaciones0.0000     9.9800    0.0000     9.9800
    Real Salt Lake0.0000     0.0000    9.4583     9.4583
    Tauro         9.0833     0.0000    0.0000     9.0833
    Joe Public    5.0556     0.0000    2.9444     8.0000
    L.A. Firpo    7.7500     0.0000    0.0000     7.7500
    W Connection  0.0000     7.6400    0.0000     7.6400
    Toronto FC    0.0000     0.0000    7.1667     7.1667
    Real Espana   0.0000     6.7500    0.0000     6.7500
    San Francisco 5.0833     0.0000    0.0000     5.0833
    Seattle       0.0000     0.0000    4.4583     4.4583
    FAS           0.0000     0.0000    3.3333     3.3333
    Isidro Metapan0.0000     3.1550    0.0000     3.1550
    SJ Jabloteh   0.0000     2.6400    0.0000     2.6400
     
  5. Blitzz Boy

    Blitzz Boy Member

    Apr 4, 2002
    The West Side
    The only place RSL is going to have a productive last matchday against Cruz Azul is at the box office and at the concession stand.

    My prediction is that at least 75% of the crowd will be cheering for the Maquina.

    RSL has a road game in Colorado the Saturday after the Cruz Azul game. And RSL may still be chasing the Supporter's Shield and a higher playoff spot.
     
  6. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Concacaf Champions League is a bunch of "fixed" matches...Where the rich teams especially from USA and Canada pay the poor teams from Central America to drop games.

    That just fits perfectly CSA way of doing things in terms of forming their Teams,especially their Men's squads.
     
  7. Celtigo

    Celtigo Member

    Jul 10, 2009
    Great Lakes Region (The Other One)
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL, dude you need to work on your trolling. There isn't enough incentive for anyone to be paying bribes to drop matches.
     
  8. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Which is why there have been 4 Central American teams in the quarterfinals, and 3 from the US and Canada combined. Get outta my thread. :cool:
     
  9. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you do any weighting based on the year? Or does each tournament weigh equally in the total? And if you don't, do you think that you should?
     
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  10. Blitzz Boy

    Blitzz Boy Member

    Apr 4, 2002
    The West Side
    Your troll-fu is weak.

    If we were so good at bribery, our domestic league would not have been won by a team from a state that is ranked 45th in per capita income.

    A team that's ranked 39th in unemployment would not have the best regular season record.
     
  11. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can see from ArsenalMetro's table in Post 79 of this topic that the three seasons are weighted equally and added. UEFA uses five years and weights them equally.
    Cruz Azul has been consistent enough to have more coefficient points than the two champions, Atlante and Pachuca, combined.
     
  12. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Each tournament is officially equal, but in my head, I consider the last two the most important.
     
  13. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, for one, even if you are right, that's 25% more than was cheering for them in Mexico, where only a mind-boggling collapse kept them from wining.

    And LA can clinch the Shield this week-end with a win (or a draw and an RSL loss, or an RSL loss). RSL can clinch second with a win at home over FCD.

    I think RSL will be locked into second by the time this game comes around.
     
  14. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, with Colorado's win over LA, it means an RSL win in their final match, would, I believe, force LA to beat Dallas (no easy task) to win the SS.

    I think they'll rest up midweek.
     
  15. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LA-RSL for SS is pretty simple.

    If they end up even on points, RSL wins the tiebreaker (goal differential). LA is one point ahead; with a win they are assured of the SS.

    RSL wins any superior result (RSL wins & LA ties; or RSL ties and LA loses).

    LA wins any equal result (both tie, both win, both lose).
     
  16. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2010-11 Group Stages, with all bonuses added

    Movement:
    - Toluca over Marathon
    - Santos over Puerto Rico
    - Monterrey over Montreal, Municipal, and Arabe Unido
    - Real Salt Lake over D.C. United and Comunicaciones
    - Toronto FC over Tauro, Joe Public, L.A. Firpo, and W Connection

    Code:
    League Coefficient              
    
    Nation         2008-09   2009-10   2010-11   Overall   
    Mexico          19.500    23.125    14.500    57.125
    Honduras        12.750     8.333     7.833    28.917  
    Canada          16.500     0.500    11.500    28.500   
    CFU              9.167     8.000     5.833    23.000   
    United States    4.625     8.375     8.875    21.875
    Panama           9.250     7.000     2.333    18.583  
    Guatemala        5.000     6.000     5.250    16.250
    Costa Rica       5.750     3.167     6.250    15.167
    El Salvador      5.250     3.500     4.000    12.750
    Nicaragua        0.500     0.000     0.000     0.500
    Belize           0.000     0.000     0.000     0.000
                    
                    
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10   2010-11    Overall
    Cruz Azul    23.4167    29.6313   12.8333    65.8813
    UNAM         16.4167    22.6313    0.0000    39.0480
    Toluca        0.0000    22.6313   12.8333    35.4646
    Marathon     14.2500    13.7500    6.6111    34.6111
    Santos       19.4167     0.0000   14.8333    34.2500
    Puerto Rico  17.0556     5.6400    7.9444    30.6400
    Pachuca       0.0000    28.6313    0.0000    28.6313
    Atlante      25.4167     0.0000    0.0000    25.4167
    Saprissa      8.9167     5.0450   10.0833    24.0450
    Olimpia      10.2500     0.0000   12.6111    22.8611
    Columbus      0.0000    10.7638   11.9583    22.7221
    Houston      10.5417     7.7638    0.0000    18.3055
    Monterrey     0.0000     0.0000   16.8333    16.8333
    Montreal     16.5000     0.0000    0.0000    16.5000
    Municipal     6.6667     0.0000    7.7500    14.4167
    Arabe Unido   0.0000    10.3100    2.7778    13.0878
    Real Salt Lake0.0000     0.0000   12.9583    12.9583
    D.C. United   2.5417     9.7638    0.0000    12.3055
    Comunicaciones0.0000     9.9800    0.0000     9.9800
    Toronto FC    0.0000     0.0000    9.8333     9.8333
    Tauro         9.0833     0.0000    0.0000     9.0833
    Joe Public    5.0556     0.0000    2.9444     8.0000
    L.A. Firpo    7.7500     0.0000    0.0000     7.7500
    W Connection  0.0000     7.6400    0.0000     7.6400
    Real Espana   0.0000     6.7500    0.0000     6.7500
    San Francisco 5.0833     0.0000    0.0000     5.0833
    Seattle       0.0000     0.0000    4.9583     4.9583
    FAS           0.0000     0.0000    3.3333     3.3333
    Isidro Metapan0.0000     3.1550    0.0000     3.1550
    SJ Jabloteh   0.0000     2.6400    0.0000     2.6400
     
  17. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, Sapri- er, Costa Rica's finally proven itself to not be the worst of the Central American leagues with 2 CCL spots.
     
  18. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Interesting note: If Salt Lake and Columbus get drawn against one another in the quarters, the United States coefficient will necessarily pass that of the CFU.

    Also, it is impossible for the US to pass Canada to move into third, even if RSL and Columbus win every match they're in for the rest of the tournament.
     
  19. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    The key is in individual quality of players being developed by those leagues.Everything else has to do with wealth and money.
     
  20. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting. It will be even more interesting to see how CONCACAF rationalizes keeping the US where it is for allocations. Because what you have shows that the US shouldn't get any more slots than Canada, Honduras and the CFU.

    If you round most of the coefficients, you can get to 24 teams this way:

    Mexico 5
    Honduras, Canada 3
    CFU, US, Panama, Guatemala, Costa Rica 2
    El Salvador, Nicaragua, Belize 1

    Not that I think that's likely.
     
  21. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alright, I had to wait for the group stage to end before I could give my coefficients. Again, this appears to be what CONCACAF is using to determine slots for feds that drop out, it's not my personal choice for what should be used. So, direct all criticism to Jack Warner. ;)

    You can click on the button in those quotes to go back to those posts, there is more detailed info in them. I just didn't want to quote both entire posts because they are long.

    Well, here we go....

    2010-11
    Pts/Teams
    Mex 6/4*
    CR 2/2*
    USA 3/4*
    Carib 2/3
    Hon 2/3*
    ES 1/2
    Can 0/1
    Guat 0/2
    Panama 0/3

    Total
    Pts/Teams
    Mex 31/12*
    Carib 9/9
    Hon 6/7*
    Can 2/3
    Panama 4/7
    USA 6/12*
    CR 2/7*
    ES 1/6
    Guat 1/6
    Bel 0/1
    Nic 0/1

    There are still seven points to be won. Feds with * still have teams remaining.

    The US teams need to perform very well if they want to justify 4 slots. We'll see if CONCACAF has the balls to reduce slots for the US and CR and give them to other high performers like Honduras, the Caribbean, Canada, and Panama. It may not be an issue if Nicaragua and Belize continue to have issues with competing.


    Again, if you click on the posts that I quoted you can see that I have shown that the replacement teams that CONCACAF has chosen so far have fit exactly with these coefficients. So, VioletCrown, they are likely to base their slots on the rankings above.
     
  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well for the USA, you can look at the Attendance thread to see why the USA gets 4 spots and Canada gets 1. meaning MLS 5.
     
  23. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My guess is CONCACAF weighs performance and attendance. Even if they don't admit it.
     
  24. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course they do. It's not a guess. We know they have in the past.

    But let's see what they do now that they've had three years of the new format. Let's see if they live up to the promise of more integrity and putting the competition first. I'm not holding my breath.

    They may luck out if the remaining US teams do well then they could legitimately let the US keep 3 or 4 slots.
     
  25. Czech Soccer...

    Czech Soccer... Red Card

    Mar 14, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Can't compare leagues when salary of one player in one could be a total budget for entire club in another one.
     

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