CONCACAF Champions League Coefficient

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions League' started by ArsenalMetro, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think they set up for three years with this format to begin with, right? So, next year will be the third.
     
  2. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In case you don't know, CONCACAF already made a change, with the top club from Panama going to the Group Stage and switching with the top club from El Salvador who now has to start in the Qualifying Round.
     
  3. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When did they do that? Is that for next year? Was there an announcement?
     
  4. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It most certainly will. :cool:
     
  6. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    just wanted to give this thread a bump since the competition has started up again. Thanks again for all the hard work done to keep the coefficients the past 2 years!
     
  7. guitarob

    guitarob Member

    Jun 14, 2010
    Valencia, VE
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Hi, I've been keeping an excel file 2 with these coefficients, And when I used your multipliers(The only different multiplier we had was the number of points awarded when qualifying to the 2nd stage) I found a difference for the mexico number in 2008-2009. This is because during the final that year, 2 mexican teams played each other and they tied in the 2nd leg.

    Acording to your data you counted that tie once, but I think it should be counted twice since both teams got a tie even if they are from the same country.

    That way the number for mexico that year would be 19.500 not 19.250

    Hope it helped
     
  8. guitarob

    guitarob Member

    Jun 14, 2010
    Valencia, VE
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    This are my number to date by the way(after the first leg of the preliminary round excluding FAS vs Xelaju who play later tonight)

    Code:
    		        08-09   09-10   10-11	 	        Overal
    	Mexico   	19.500	23.125	2.500   		45.125
    	Honduras	12.750	8.333 	1.667			22.750
    ↑	Canada   	16.500	0.500 	1.000			18.000
    ↓	CFU        	9.167 	8.000 	0.500			17.667
    	Panama   	9.250 	7.000 	1.333			17.583
    	USA       	4.625 	8.375 	2.250			15.250
    	Guatemala	5.000 	6.000 	2.000			13.000
    	Costa Rica	5.750 	3.167 	2.500			11.417
    	El Salvador	5.250 	3.500 	0.000			8.750
    	Nicaragua	0.500 	0.000 	0.000			0.500
    	Belize  	0.000 	0.000 	0.000			0.000
    
     
  9. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    You're absolutely right. I don't think that's the reason for the error, because I know I took that into account when I was calculating. Probably just a typo. But thanks for the heads up!
     
  10. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2010-11 Preliminary Round, First Leg

    Club totals will not change until after the first matches of the group stage, while league coefficients include bonus points for teams automatically entered into the group stage.

    Code:
    League Coefficient              
    
    Nation         2008-09   2009-10   2010-11   Overall   
    Mexico          19.500    23.125     2.500    45.125
    Honduras        12.750     8.333     1.667    22.750  
    Canada          16.500     0.500     1.000    18.000   
    CFU              9.167     8.000     0.500    17.667   
    Panama           9.250     7.000     1.333    17.583  
    United States    4.625     8.375     2.250    15.250
    Guatemala        5.000     6.000     2.250    13.250
    Costa Rica       5.750     3.167     2.250    11.617
    El Salvador      5.250     3.500     0.250     9.000
    Nicaragua        0.500     0.000     0.000     0.500
    Belize           0.000     0.000     0.000     0.000
                    
                    
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10    Overall
    Cruz Azul    23.4167    29.6313    53.0480
    UNAM         16.4167    22.6313    39.0480
    Pachuca       0.0000    28.6313    28.6313
    Marathon     14.2500    13.7500    28.0000
    Atlante      25.4167     0.0000    25.4167
    Puerto Rico  17.0556     5.6400    22.6956
    Toluca        0.0000    22.6313    22.6313
    Santos       19.4167     0.0000    19.4167
    Houston      10.5417     7.7638    18.3055
    Montreal     16.5000     0.0000    16.5000
    Saprissa      8.9167     5.0450    13.9617
    D.C. United   2.5417     9.7638    12.3055
    Columbus      0.0000    10.7638    10.7638
    Arabe Unido   0.0000    10.3100    10.3100
    Olimpia      10.2500     0.0000    10.2500
    Comunicaciones0.0000     9.9800     9.9800
    Tauro         9.0833     0.0000     9.0833
    L.A. Firpo    7.7500     0.0000     7.7500
    W Connection  0.0000     7.6400     7.6400
    Real Espana   0.0000     6.7500     6.7500
    Municipal     6.6667     0.0000     6.6667
    San Francisco 5.0833     0.0000     5.0833
    Joe Public    5.0556     0.0000     5.0556
    Isidro Metapan0.0000     3.1550     3.1550
    SJ Jabloteh   0.0000     2.6400     2.6400
     
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  11. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2010-11 Preliminary Round

    Code:
    League Coefficient              
    
    Nation         2008-09   2009-10   2010-11   Overall   
    Mexico          19.500    23.125     5.000    47.625
    Honduras        12.750     8.333     3.167    24.250  
    Canada          16.500     0.500     5.550    22.500   
    CFU              9.167     8.000     3.500    20.667   
    Panama           9.250     7.000     1.667    17.917  
    United States    4.625     8.375     3.625    16.625
    Guatemala        5.000     6.000     2.250    13.250
    El Salvador      5.250     3.500     3.000    11.750
    Costa Rica       5.750     3.167     2.250    11.617
    Nicaragua        0.500     0.000     0.000     0.500
    Belize           0.000     0.000     0.000     0.000
                    
                    
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10   2010-11    Overall
    Cruz Azul    23.4167    29.6313    1.6667    54.7147
    UNAM         16.4167    22.6313    0.0000    39.0480
    Marathon     14.2500    13.7500    1.0556    29.0556
    Pachuca       0.0000    28.6313    0.0000    28.6313
    Atlante      25.4167     0.0000    0.0000    25.4167
    Toluca        0.0000    22.6313    1.6667    24.2980
    Puerto Rico  17.0556     5.6400    1.1667    23.8623
    Santos       19.4167     0.0000    1.6667    21.0834
    Houston      10.5417     7.7638    0.0000    18.3055
    Montreal     16.5000     0.0000    0.0000    16.5000
    Saprissa      8.9167     5.0450    0.7500    14.7117
    D.C. United   2.5417     9.7638    0.0000    12.3055
    Columbus      0.0000    10.7638    1.2083    11.9721
    Olimpia      10.2500     0.0000    1.0556    11.3056
    Arabe Unido   0.0000    10.3100    0.5556    10.8656
    Comunicaciones0.0000     9.9800    0.0000     9.9800
    Tauro         9.0833     0.0000    0.0000     9.0833
    L.A. Firpo    7.7500     0.0000    0.0000     7.7500
    W Connection  0.0000     7.6400    0.0000     7.6400
    Municipal     6.6667     0.0000    0.7500     7.4167
    Real Espana   0.0000     6.7500    0.0000     6.7500
    Joe Public    5.0556     0.0000    1.1667     6.2223
    San Francisco 5.0833     0.0000    0.0000     5.0833
    Isidro Metapan0.0000     3.1550    0.0000     3.1550
    SJ Jabloteh   0.0000     2.6400    0.0000     2.6400
    Toronto FC    0.0000     0.0000    1.8333     1.8333
    Monterrey     0.0000     0.0000    1.6667     1.6667
    Real Salt Lake0.0000     0.0000    1.2083     1.2083
    Seattle       0.0000     0.0000    1.2083     1.2083
    FAS           0.0000     0.0000    1.0000     1.0000
     
  12. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not seeing the Galaxy on there.

    Also, how are you counting the home and away series? As separate, individual games? I don't know if that's an accurate representation because the winning team in the first leg may play for a tie or even a small loss in the second leg and it still results as a "victory" for them.

    For example, PRI and Marathon this last round. I didn't watch the games, but my guess is that they were playing conservatively and that may have resulted in their loss. But it didn't matter because they had to lose by a large margin to be eliminated.
     
  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm assuming ArsenalMetro is counting two leg series as two games. UEFA counts two leg series as two games. I guess if UEFA clubs want to maximize their coefficient they should play to win the second leg even if they won the first leg by 5 goals.
     
  14. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I know it's the way they do it. But it ends up punishing a team for being too good. And thus the coefficients that are determined aren't as accurate.

    I'll post the stuff I come up with later on in the tournament. It seems to be what CONCACAF is using and is simply based on whether or not a team advances. I'm not sayinig that I think this is more accurate, but I'm following it because it's what they're using.

    I posted the past years results earlier in the thread.
     
  15. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The Galaxy shouldn't be on there. Teams don't pick up any points unless they make the group stages.

    And yes, every match, even if it is part of a home-and-away, counts separately. Having a different result for one match as compared to the overall tie can only shift the number of points earned by a country by 1, at the most, so it really isn't a huge deal.

    I wholeheartedly disagree. If a team wins both matches, they get 2 points (+4 bonus for making the group stages) for their country. If they're that good, then they deserve extra. If there's a team that bunkers for a full match, hoping for a 1, 2-goal loss or a draw, then they don't deserve full points. Giving points for simply the winner of the tie would be a misrepresentation of what happened on the field.
     
  16. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cruz Azul is just going to increase their lead.

    Honduras is looking good as the second best league in concacaf, which surprises me, good for them, let see if marathon can score more points for them.
     
  17. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Question that I am pretty sure I know the answer to, Toronto FC points go to Canada and not to the USA/MLS correct, I am sure this is the case I just want to confirm, sorry for the stupid question.
     
  18. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    That is correct. Any Canadian team represents the CSA. Canadian teams are not eligible to qualify for the CCL via play in MLS (or USL/NASL/D2, any of that.) Teams represent national federations, not leagues.
     
  19. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    As was confirmed, yeah, Toronto counts for Canada. Somewhat related, Caribbean teams count for the CFU, but I also have individual country totals hidden away on my spreadsheet.
     
  20. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is your spread sheet simple or complex, I created one for Copa Libertadores this weekend and it is a mess, I got V-lookups going all over. I think I made it way more complex that it should be but oh well. :p
     
  21. nfitz

    nfitz Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Toronto
    Or not ... they've drawn the 2 most difficult MLS teams to beat at home.

    Though I guess making the tournament every year and getting through to the quarters is going to keep you near the top, if many teams don't get there every year.
     
  22. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Notes before the new coefficients are posted tomorrow:

    - The United States coefficient for this edition is already equal to that of 2008-09. Every positive result for the rest of this tournament makes it that much better than the first year.
    - With a Seattle win tomorrow, the US would jump past Panama into 5th place.
     
  23. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Didn't TFC get a draw last year in the prelims?
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    If you can't make the groups, you don't deserve anything. And since this is based on the UEFA coefficient, and they only give minimal points to those eliminated in qualifying rounds, I decided to do away with them altogether.

    Toronto's draw is the reason Canada has a 0.500 coefficient for last season. I didn't miss it. ;)
     
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