Jeff Carlisle is now reporting (via Twitter) that Carillos from SLV is tonight’s USA-TRI CR (with SLV AR’s).
Still haven't seen a definitive answer, but it sounds like Panama's first goal did not cross the goal line. Or at least it did not cross the goal line between the posts.
GLT, VAR, AAR, a bunch of different acronyms could have potentially fixed this decision made be the AR and CR who should have done better. Alas, this is CONCACAF. . I really wonder how much play, if any, this will get in the US media.
It's a game-changing error that directly impacted World Cup qualification. The fact the US played so poorly may keep it from turning into an all-out ****storm, but this is still a HUGE error.
The biggest thing for me is that it doesn't appear as if any Panama player was appealing for the goal. You had 5 in the background asking for a penalty, but no one was wanting a goal. I know listening to the players is a fools errand a lot of times, but if no one on the team who you think scored a goal is acting at all like they scored, especially the guy on the ground right in front of the net, in a game where the World Cup is on the line, probably really need to consider if you saw it correctly. Of course I may just be mad talking after a really poor performance from the US, I dont know.
I still haven't seen the actual video showing the buildup and the aftermath. I'd like to see how it was handled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=Zu9aEuNXshQ Probably wont last long but here is one I found
Wow. What a cluster****. Either the AR felt the ball crossed the goal line when it was sitting on it, or he thought it was between the posts when it slide around the post. If it's the later, then it's a total failure of communication between the AR and center. EDIT: Upon closer view, the AR sprints up the line after the ball goes over the goal line outside of the posts. I think the AR got Attwell'ed and the center somehow didn't catch it.
Well at least Mark Geiger won't have to worry about the US advancing into the knock out stage and preventing him from doing the Final...
Honest question. Could the US appeal the outcome of the PAN-CRC game because of the obvious error of this "goal"?
If it was the opinion of the referee that the ball had crossed the goal line, between the goalposts and underneath the crossbar, with no prior breach of the Laws by the scoring team, then that's a judgment call and is not protestable. It's a very, very poor judgment call, but still unassailable due to the text of Law 5.
Yeah...let's blame the reason that the US didn't qualify from the World Cup in the most forgiving qualifying region on the planet on a ghost goal in Panama. You can't get a tie against Trinidad, you shouldn't be looking at anyone but yourself.
New Zealand would like a word with you (arguably, so would Japan) Though your point is valid, the blame is only on the U.S.
New Zealand isn't in yet. They have to go through Peru. I'll leave it to others to decide if that is harder than Trinidad and Tobago.
If you are referring to the Thierry Henry handling incident, it was in 2009! But you are correct, no protest, especially as it was in a different match anyway. PH
Sorry! I forgot about BS copyright rules, although I have used the original line myself previously. So, how about this instead: "F*ck it Dude, let's go bowling." PH
Yeah, but Peru isn't in the same region. New Zealand has the easiest route of any team in the world in winning the qualification (half) spot for their region.
Have the conspiracy theories started yet? Panama and Honduras did not go ahead until after the US was losing. If they had both lost or tied the US would have still qualified. PH
How can either a Center, you can see his angle from the video or an AR, I have no idea what his angle is call that ball over the line. If you are going to make a call you have to be 100% sure. Especially a goal call. Poor form gentlemen.
I can completely see how the AR was fooled. I've been fooled by a similar event while on the line. The failure was on the communication. The AR knew the ball wasn't over the line at first. The center knew the ball didn't go between the posts when it crossed the line. Neither of them knew both pieces of information.