Coach Tracking Thread

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by JasonMa, Jun 2, 2018.

  1. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    And yet, they are still somehow 4 points up on San Jose!
     
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  2. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    San Jose must not have stopped doing match threads to staunch the bleeding like we did .. e.g. yesterday could've been 6 - 0 pretty easily.
     
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  3. fortcollins

    fortcollins Member+

    St. Louis City SC
    Apr 12, 2006
    Fort Collins
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And 3 of those 4 points could easily evaporate at Avaya Stadium on October 21. For the life of me, I can't see where SJ can come up with that other point to give Colorado the Wooden Spoon. (They host RBNY in their next match and travel to Seattle for their last match, with hosting the Rapids sandwiched in between.)
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, mea culpa time. I did some bad math a few weeks ago. We actually have to beat San Jose and Dallas to avoid our worst season ever.

    Finishing the season on a 3-game win streak? Yeah, I don't see that happening.
     
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  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Final 2018 update

    Season-by-season; Asterisks indicate years we missed the playoffs:

    1. 2016 - Mastroeni - 1.706
    2. 1999 - Mooch - 1.594
    3. 2010 - Smith - 1.533
    4. 2002 - Hankinson - 1.5
    4. 2013 - Pareja - 1.5
    6. 2011 - Smith - 1.441
    7. 1998 - Mooch - 1.438
    8. 2005 - Clavijo - 1.406
    9. 2004 - Hankinson - 1.367
    10. 2009 - Smith - 1.3333*
    11. 1997 - Mooch - 1.28125
    11. 2006 - Clavijo - 1.28125
    13. 2003 - Hankinson - 1.267
    13. 2008 - Clavijo/Smith - 1.267*
    15. 2000 - Mooch - 1.188
    16. 2007 - Clavijo - 1.167*
    17. 2012 - Pareja - 1.08823*
    17. 2015 - Mastroeni - 1.08823*
    19. 1996 - Houghton/Wegerle - 1.031*
    20. 2017 - Mastroeni/Cooke - 0.971*
    21. 2014 - Mastroeni - 0.941*
    22. 2001 - Hankinson - 0.923*
    23. 2018 - Hudson - 0.912*

    All-Time Overall:

    1. Smith - 104 Games - 1.43
    2. Mooch - 128 Games - 1.41
    3. Hankinson - 114 Games - 1.29
    3. Pareja - 68 Games - 1.29
    5. Mastroeni - 124 Games - 1.20
    6. Clavijo - 114 Games - 1.18
    7. Houghton - 31 Games - 1.06
    8. Cooke - 12 Games - 0.92
    9. Hudson - 34 Games - 0.91
    10. Wegerle - 1 Game - 0.00

    Playoff series records:

    1. Smith 4-1 - .800 - Won MLS Cup
    2. Clavijo - 2-2 - .500
    3. Mastroeni - 1-1 - .500
    4. Mooch 2-4 - .333 - MLS Cup appearance
    5. Hankinson - 1-3 - .250
    6. Pareja - 0-1 - .000
    7. Houghton - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Wegerle - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Cooke - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Hudson - Never qualified - N/A
     
  6. SccrDon

    SccrDon Member+

    Dec 4, 2001
    Colorado Springs
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, @JasonMa , for putting these together.

    It's pretty depressing to realize that we've never had a manager average 1.5 points/game over his entire stint with the Rapids. 1.5 points/game is not brilliant stuff - it's enough to get into the playoffs. And we can't get a guy who can consistently do that?
     
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  7. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Consistently? Looks like we've had 5 seasons in 23 at 1.5 pts/game or higher. The one real good year was also quite flukish.
     
  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Major updates below

    Season-by-season
    ; Asterisks indicate years we missed the playoffs:

    1. 2016 - Mastroeni - 1.706
    2. 2002 - Hankinson - 1.534
    3. 2010 - Smith - 1.533
    4. 1999 - Mooch - 1.5
    4. 2013 - Pareja - 1.5
    6. 2011 - Smith - 1.441
    7. 2005 - Clavijo - 1.406
    8. 1998 - Mooch - 1.375
    9. 2004 - Hankinson - 1.367
    10. 2000 - Mooch - 1.344
    11. 2003 - Hankinson - 1.333
    11. 2009 - Smith - 1.333*
    13. 2006 - Clavijo - 1.28125
    14. 2008 - Clavijo/Smith - 1.267*
    15. 1997 - Mooch - 1.1875
    16. 2007 - Clavijo - 1.167*
    17. 2012 - Pareja - 1.08823*
    17. 2015 - Mastroeni - 1.08823*
    19. 2017 - Mastroeni/Cooke - 0.971*
    20. 2014 - Mastroeni - 0.941*
    21. 2018 - Hudson - 0.912*
    22. 1996 - Houghton/Wegerle - 0.906*
    23. 2001 - Hankinson - 0.885*

    All-Time Overall:


    1. Smith - 104 Games - 1.43
    2. Mooch - 128 Games - 1.41
    3. Hankinson - 114 Games - 1.29
    3. Pareja - 68 Games - 1.29
    5. Mastroeni - 124 Games - 1.20
    6. Clavijo - 114 Games - 1.18
    7. Houghton - 31 Games - 1.06
    8. Cooke - 12 Games - 0.92
    9. Hudson - 34 Games - 0.91
    10. Wegerle - 1 Game - 0.00

    Playoff series records:

    1. Smith 4-1 - .800 - Won MLS Cup
    2. Clavijo - 2-2 - .500
    3. Mastroeni - 1-1 - .500
    4. Mooch 2-4 - .333 - MLS Cup appearance
    5. Hankinson - 1-3 - .250
    6. Pareja - 0-1 - .000
    7. Houghton - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Wegerle - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Cooke - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Hudson - Never qualified - N/A

    So as I was writing my new blog post and looking at stats on MLSsoccer.com I realized that the numbers in this list were wrong. Everything from 1996-2004 had the wrong pts/game total. I think what happened is when this list was first put together whomever did it changed all the Shootout results from '96-'99 into draws and all the overtime results from '00-'04 into draws. Looking back at the prior thread it appears the list was first posted by @Quinn 33 but I don't know if he put it together or he got it from somewhere else.

    The end result is that this past season was only the 3rd worst in team history.
     
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  9. SccrDon

    SccrDon Member+

    Dec 4, 2001
    Colorado Springs
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That doesn't make me feel any better about this season or the terrible shape this club is in.
     
  10. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    So very similar to being the third shortest guy at fat camp? A difference w/o a distinction.
     
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  11. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I remember correctly, I pulled the earlier seasons from someplace else (Kenn T's old site maybe?) and calculated the later ones. I think the rationale of eliminating shootout and overtime results was an attempt to create a comparison that was more apples-to-apples.

    There is an inherent flaw in comparing the shootout, overtime, and modern rules seasons together, since teams would have approached/played games differently based on the rules of the day...so it's kinda a wash if the numbers are fairly close.
     
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  12. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed, for accuracy's sake I updated the numbers to the actual unmodified numbers but even when I did my blog post I threw out the 4 Shootout years (the OT years are a little more comparable as the same goals were in place, teams just had 10 extra minutes to work with).
     
  13. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    I think the Rapids are trying to continually out do themselves by hiring progressively worse coaches each time.

    I think my time has come!!!

    I can continue that trend.

    Hire me please!!!!!

    [emoji41]
     
  14. Sports Yak

    Sports Yak Member+

    Jul 17, 2007
    Lakewood
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Honestly, did anyone one year ago think it was possible for us to pine for the good ol' Pablo days? In hindsight, I think he did himself a disservice with some of those crazy comments about lactate levels, zen, etc. Made me think he was nuts. But frankly, he probably won at about the level of the players he had to work with.
     
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  15. SccrDon

    SccrDon Member+

    Dec 4, 2001
    Colorado Springs
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reviving this thread to discuss specific coach (Hudson) related things rather than starting a new thread.

    Maybe it's just me, but I didn't realize until Saturday how left-footed Wynne is. He didn't play the ball with his right foot unless the situation absolutely required it.

    Which made me wonder...why in the world did Hudson continue to play him on the right last season? You take a guy who is very left-footed and whose best position is supposedly left back and you play him on the right in a back 3 and then at right back? Makes no sense to me.
     
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  16. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    I just watched the Las Vegas Lights play. Their team is energized and exciting to watch and they can win. I know they are USL Championship but I bet they could give this Rapids team all they can handle.

    Here are my questions:

    1. Would the Rapids be willing to hire another ex Nats player as coach?
    2. Would Wynalda want to coach the Rapids?
    3. Could he energize this team and get them producing positive results consistently?
     
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wynalda? ******** no (excuse my language).
     
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  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Season-by-season; Asterisks indicate years we missed the playoffs:

    1. 2016 - Mastroeni - 1.706
    2. 2002 - Hankinson - 1.534
    3. 2010 - Smith - 1.533
    4. 1999 - Mooch - 1.5
    4. 2013 - Pareja - 1.5
    6. 2011 - Smith - 1.441
    7. 2005 - Clavijo - 1.406
    8. 1998 - Mooch - 1.375
    9. 2004 - Hankinson - 1.367
    10. 2000 - Mooch - 1.344
    11. 2003 - Hankinson - 1.333
    11. 2009 - Smith - 1.333*
    13. 2006 - Clavijo - 1.28125
    14. 2008 - Clavijo/Smith - 1.267*
    15. 1997 - Mooch - 1.1875
    16. 2007 - Clavijo - 1.167*
    17. 2012 - Pareja - 1.08823*
    17. 2015 - Mastroeni - 1.08823*
    19. 2017 - Mastroeni/Cooke - 0.971*
    20. 2014 - Mastroeni - 0.941*
    21. 2018 - Hudson - 0.912*
    22. 1996 - Houghton/Wegerle - 0.906*
    23. 2001 - Hankinson - 0.885*
    24. 2019 - Hudson - 0.400

    All-Time Overall:


    1. Smith - 104 Games - 1.43
    2. Mooch - 128 Games - 1.41
    3. Hankinson - 114 Games - 1.29
    3. Pareja - 68 Games - 1.29
    5. Mastroeni - 124 Games - 1.20
    6. Clavijo - 114 Games - 1.18
    7. Houghton - 31 Games - 1.06
    8. Cooke - 12 Games - 0.92
    9. Hudson - 39 Games - 0.85
    10. Wegerle - 1 Game - 0.00

    Playoff series records:

    1. Smith 4-1 - .800 - Won MLS Cup
    2. Clavijo - 2-2 - .500
    3. Mastroeni - 1-1 - .500
    4. Mooch 2-4 - .333 - MLS Cup appearance
    5. Hankinson - 1-3 - .250
    6. Pareja - 0-1 - .000
    7. Houghton - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Wegerle - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Cooke - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Hudson - Never qualified - N/A
     
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  19. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    FYL (fixed your list)
     
  20. Soaker888

    Soaker888 Member+

    Feb 21, 2012
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Translation: "No way in fVkn hell", no.
    Couldn't agree more.
     
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  21. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have to admit, I am all for US Players becoming coaches but zero interest in Wynalda here.

    Anyone know if Mullan fulled in his wife's footsteps of coaching?
     
  22. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wynalda pushes the envelop. He's in your face. He's standoff-ish. He speaks his mind. He calls people out. He's brash. However, he's not a bad coach. His run with Cal FC in the US Open Cup a few years back was quite a feat. But it's what he's done for those players and what he continues to do for many of them that impresses me. He's launched the careers of many of those guys. A handful have had some decent, respectable USL careers. You get the sense his players would run through a brick wall for him. Las Vegas plays an interesting and free flowing brand of soccer. It's highly entertaining. Las Vegas was an absolute mess management wise last year. Wynalda has seemingly instilled culture and is slowly righting the ship. I don't think he's the least bit interested in MLS seeing how he's essentially been blackballed coaching in MLS. I'm not saying I'd go out and hire the dude but someone of that ilk is needed. We need a coach who's brutally honest, brash, and will actually put his money where his mouth is.
     
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  23. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually we need an owner like that. ;)
     
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  24. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ain't that the damn truth! :D
     
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  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meh. Wynalda gets a lot of hype for his few successes but people tend to overlook his failures. The idea that he could coach Atlanta from LA fore example, or the fact that Cal FC was put together primarily as an ego project for Wynalda to make a run in the USOC. He has yet to have a successful long-term stint as a coach anywhere and I expect much the same in Las Vegas. A bunch of hype a lot of interest, and then Eric moves on as the team doesn't meet the talk. He's made a career out of upsetting apple carts and flash in the pan moves, but hasn't done anything long term for teh sport. I remember when he was on the "Chris Klute is the next great American LB" hype train, how did that work out?
     

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