CHILE vs Uruguay, 24 de junio en Santiago (Copa America 2015) [R]

Italy just defends and proposes, this Uruguay didnt. Im actually a fan of the defensive strategies.

 

Yeah. I think we could have managed a win without Jara's dirty play.

True, but there is little they could have done otherwise. Cavani was on his own and their other creator, Lodeiro, is just not good enough. They gambled on the set pieces but Chile contained those very well.

 

First and foremost, I’m glad that justice prevailed. I’ve criticised Chile for ugly football (e.g. mental lapses, & stupid fouls) for a long time like I’ve also criticised Barcelona for play-acting and dirty theatrics. In this aspect, I think that Uruguay must be criticised in the same way. There must be a term for tackles that involve making contact with the ball whilst simultaneously (+ violently & intentionally) taking out the player from behind. How can you plead innocence when you intentionally follow through with a tackle and forcefully take a player down from behind? Whether there is contact with the ball or not, the fact that there is equal or greater contact with the player – usually from the side or behind – leaves me in awe as to why these tackles are not penalised more often. They are serious enough to end a player’s season or worse. What makes them worse is how well they are disguised and how loyally they are defended as legal tackles. They are callous and unnecessary. The only thing for which I can sympathise with Uruguay is how Cavani was incorrectly sent off – it was absurd. Nevertheless, it was only a matter of time before one or more red cards were given to his team-mates.

This is why I think that, if one looks at the balance of play, Uruguay should have ended with at least one more red card than Chile for their sheer number of hard tackles, many of which were from behind and, arguably, intentional. Had Arsene Wenger been on the touchlines, he would have been waving his arms in protest and in Sanchez’s defence, no doubt.

The referee missed a lot throughout the 90 minutes (e.g. Uruguayan studs-high tackle in the 8th minute and Vargas’s studs-high tackle on Muslera in the 38th); erratic performance, to say the least.

There will be a lot of sore Chilean players in the next few days. I am worried mostly about Vidal and Sanchez. Vidal withstood one of the hardest tackles I've ever seen him take. I hope his knees are all right for the next game.

 

But Cavani and many other players in this team arent normal, uruguayan league players. They are good leveled, obviously not on the level of Suarez. Lo bueno es que se defendió bien contra Cavani, que es un prototipo que nos complica.

 

Estoy vacunado desde que perdimos contra Venezuela en quartos durante la ultima copa. Si nos confiamos ante Peru/Bolivia nos volvemos de nuevo.

Ahora se juega de verdad, el partido contra Bolivia fue de entrenamiento. En todo caso creo que gana Peru 2-1.

 

Algunas conclusiones: Gran triunfo de Chile, infinitamente superior a Uruguay, aunque no debimos sufrir tanto. Uruguay pego, pego y pego hasta decir basta, sobre todo Arevalo Rios. Chile jugando a ras de piso siempre complico, aunque la jugada del gol nacio de un centro que Muslera puñeteo muy mal( la saco al medio cuando los arqueros deben puñetear hacia los costados) . Destaco a Isla, Vidal y Medel en Chile. Isla no solo por el gol sino tambien porque fue un constante peligro por el lado derecho. Mena muy debil , lo unico que hizo fue sacar el centro en el gol, nada mas. Sanchez demasiado erratico e individualista aunque provoco la expulsion de Fucile al Final. Asi como en otras ocasiones hemos criticado a Sampaoli por sus cambios , ahora hay que decir que le "achunto" con los cambios. Pinilla nos dio mas prescencia en el area, Fernandez mas toque y frescura, y Pizarro manejo de pelota sobre el final.

 

Que chorones que andan los uruguayos, sabia que eran así pero se pasaron.

 

Ahora que probablemente van a suspender a Jara, nos quedamos cojos en a defensa.
Que le costaba a Sampaoli llamar a Roco y no desperdiciar cupo en Pepe Rojas o Fuenzalida.

 

Esperemos a ver que pasa, yo creo que ni la Conmebol conoce su reglamento.

 

Que lo suspendan nomas. No me gustan esas weas (siempre y cuando si un Argentino o Brasuca se manda alguna gracia que tambien los suspendan). Ademas convengamos que Jara tampoco es la ultima chupada del mate, perfectamente podemos jugar con linea de 3 frente a Bolivia/Peru. Que entre Miiko... o el Gato como contra España y el amistoso contra Alemania.

 

Ese es el problema... a quién ponemos?
Sampaoli armó mal el plantel en la parte defensiva. No previó que algo así pudiera pasar, eso que se lo advirtieron.

 

Ahí está el tema, a ellos no les pasa nada. No juguemos a que lo que hizo Jara es novedad. Que suspendan a Jara y a la mitad del equipo uruguayo.

 

Boys will be boys! In my view getting ejected from a game because someone touched your behind is absurd. A simple verbal comeback to Jara would have sufficed.

 

Agreed.

There are already calls from fans to suspend Jara for the rest of the tournament. I find this quite irrational. If he is suspended for the ‘finger incident’, then FIFA would have to re-write its laws and suspend every player guilty of touching another player’s ‘private’ areas. If he is suspended for play-acting, that is understandable, but then the problem is no longer Jara, but the referee who overreacted instead of separating the players.

The neutral football fans, in particular, need to remember the biting incident with Suarez at the world cup. It was a dirty, tactical move on Suarez’s part, but the suspension was completely excessive. The big issue was the handling of the situation by FIFA.

If Jara is suspended for the rest of the tournament for something like this, then what is the suspension for successive scissor tackles? I sometimes forget that FIFA governs world football, so I should be prepared for anything.

I have to admit that I am having a laugh at the hypocrisy of many Uruguayan players right now, such as Suarez and Lugano, when they have done so much worse in their careers.

I suppose it is only 'foul play' when it is someone else that is doing it.

 

I was once touched on the behind by another player who was known to do this in the league in which I played. I responded by doing exactly the same thing to him. He couldn't believe it, flipped out, and called me 'queer' among other things. I couldn't help it; it's just my sense of humour.

 

Le doy vueltas al asunto defensivo y pienso que la solución sería bajar a Vidal de central izquierdo, puesto donde se crió, para que acompañe a Medel. Su lugar en el mediocampo lo tomaría Mati Fernández. Como resultado da un equipo en que todos tratan bien el balón y se gana en cabezazo defensivo.

Tengo claro que muchos quedaron traumados con el experimento de Borghi en la derrota ante Colombia, pero en ese juego todo salió mal una vez que expulsaron a Medel. Temporadas más tardes, Vidal volvó a actuar de defensa en la Juventus un par de veces y lo hizo de buena manera.

A todo esto, el pelotudo de Valdivia vuelve donde los camellos. Espero que renuncie a la selección o no lo llamen más.

 

Uruguayos know what their reputation is with respect to dirty play and trickery. In fact, most take an immense pride in being 'listos' and 'inteligentes' within the trope of the under dog small country taking on the biggest and best in the world. And truthfully, who can blame them. Its been successful, and there are few countries the size of uruguay in any sport that have had as much success..

It must suck to have it happen to them, but we've all seen them do the same thing many many times. Chile has two players on the field who I can't stand because of their trickery and lack of sportsmanship (even by soccer standards) - Aranguiz and Jara.

Jara sexually assaulted Cavani and should be suspended... Cavani should have been sent off in the first half with a straight red for chest bumping the linesman. Another two or three Uruguayans should have been red carded, as should have Jara.

I think the most legitimate complaint Uruguay can have is that Jara should also have been sent off............

but its somewhat insane for the team that had 20% of the possession, who's player assaulted the linesman then smacked Jara in the face, who's other players attacked the linesman, who played violently and came close to injuring both Alexis and Vidal to say: we were hard done...we could've hung on a bit longer to a nil-nil draw...

 

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huge history of whining, diving, crying, dirty play etc...since his Colo Colo days at least.

I was talking with my dad the other day and were discussing the golden generation.... who really comprises this golden generation: we agreed, obviously, in Vidal, Alexis, Gary , Bravo.......and probably Aranguiz for us.

He's phenomenal and it may be that he's changing since we don't see him week in and week out anymore...but out of all of them he's the one that has frustrated me the most with diving, exaggerating, whining etc......

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ld-angry-Mainz-prod-bad-threatrics-worse.html


apparently Mainz are going to get rid of Jara because of the Cavani thing. lol