Chelsea v The Arsenal [PL]-17 Sep 2017-Match Thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Darth Norteño, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Missed point
    Lacazette has played in four games lol... you should really be more concerned after he has more games with club

    You generally seem to rush to judgment
    I.e. Joe embiid being all NBA after a month
     
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  2. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    why do you do this?

    You are picking a fight for a)no reason b) because you misunderstood my post (being generous)

    All I said is that he wasnt good in the Chelsea match. I didn't call him garbage and say he should never start for us again and should be sold.

    Seriously fam, get off my sack.
     
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  3. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Dollar short / day late player

    Decent but not elite. Should have got him 2 years ago.

    He addresses some of the shortcomings of Giroud, so that helps the team but it needs to be remembered Giroud has border line elite numbers despite his lack of mobility.

    Add to that the lack of elite wingers and you have an issue.
     
  4. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The only problem with this reasoning is that Lacazette is a much better player than he was two years ago.

    The wide forward thing is spot on though.
     
  5. Darth Norteño

    Darth Norteño With Buddha In My Fists

    The Arsenal
    Wales
    Dec 9, 2003
    laceyforest.arl.va
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Wales
    Yeah, sorry, I whiffed on that. The good news is, we won't have to worry about channels for the next match...
     
  6. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am not picking up a flight.

    I know what you posted. No reason for you to run off to dramatic end of the spectrum.

    Point is - do not be overly concerned about Lacazette -it is too early to tell.
     
  7. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I literally re-explained my post and you still didn't get it.
    What are you saying here?

    He isn't elite but we shoulda bought him years ago? If he isn't elite, then why buy him?
     
  8. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    i think there's room for SOME sub-elite players as long as there are elite players who makes others better around them.
     
  9. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Indeed

    I'm not sure jitty is saying that tho.
     
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  10. Fifty

    Fifty Member

    Mar 11, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Too little, too late

    If buying him then better to have got him 2 years ago instead of in this highly inflated market.

    As usual Wenger dithered over the decision that now actually can't fix the much larger problems Arsenal has developed.

    Laca does fix some of the issues we know Arsenal has, in the same way Welbeck fixes them - but he is a way better player than Welbeck.

    So for instance last season motivated Sanchez paired with Laca plus Ozil asisting (remember Ozil was coming off an elite season and started well) - that could have done some real damage.

    Now it feels like Laca is walking into a crisis where the other 2 elite forwards are leaving.

    So too little, too late.
     
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  12. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Dude, Lacazette got a lot better in the last two years. His data from last year was way better than it was three years ago.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    sure - he is into his peak years
     
  14. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    What I'm saying is that he improved beyond expectations.

    Here's his age 23 data, from 2013/2014:

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    Here's 2015/2016:

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    Here he is last season (broken into two, unfortunately):

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    It's hard to project that Lacazette would go from being a poacher to a much more complete player, especially between the ages of 23 and 26. Players that are bad passers usually stay that way. And the real improvement as a passer was last season.

    There's a lot to criticize about Arsenal's decisionmaking, especially re: transfers, but simply saying it was better to have gotten him two years ago without looking at what the player was like then relies far too much on hindsight. Two years ago, it wasn't at all clear that Lacazette would improve the way he has. And it's not as if someone who starts for Lyon is someone that Arsenal wouldn't know about.
     
  15. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Also, the low shot volume at Lyon (a consistent trait, it looks like), suggests that there will be times where we're really frustrated with Lacazette.
     
  16. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Arsenal have scouted Lacazette continually for 5+ years as he was someone that has Wenger liked since his youth years. It was just that until now he wasn't deemed well enough developed to be a target. Bad luck that it coincided with the market going bananas but I can live with that.
     

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