It is so ridiculous it is FUNNY. In the Huachipato x Grêmio match, Huachipato coach/staff and then players started running after Grêmio´s coach, who fell on the floor and was kicked. Grêmio players defended him while retreating to the tunnel, while Huachipato players still tried to beat everyone. what CONMEBOL does? Bans Grêmio coach for 6 matches and a fine of 25 thousand dollars. Bans defender Douglas Grolli for 5 matches and 10k fine and staff Emerson for 8 matches (20k fine). FOR DEFENDING THEMSELVES. All the while, Huachipato coach Jorge Pellicier gained 1 match ban and a 1 thousand dollars fine. Marcelo Rosemblat (Huachipato physical trainer) 1 match ban and 2 thousand dollars fine. Huachipato player Francisco Arrue got 3 matches ban and 5k fine, Nicolas Nunes got 3 matches and 5k, and Juan Espinoza 5 matches and 10k fine. That is just ludicrous. Grêmio is attacked and gets 55k in fines, and a total of 19 days bans (for 3 people) while Huachipato gets a total of 28k in fines and 13 days bans!!!!
the message from CONMEBOL: agressors who use of physical violence are not punished. If you defend yourself you are punished. this video shows the whole incident, at 1:20, showing that Luxemburgo was not laughing or anything. Huachipato physical trainer went after him, angry at the elimination, and Luxemburgo made a sign with his hand "you are crazy", then Huachipato coach also went after Luxemburgo and at THIS moment Luxemburgo starts running and smiling, because of the pathetic Huachipato staff attitude.
I agree; it is rather stupid. He was not the first to throw a punch or a kick, and yet Vanderlei Luxemburgo is now out for 6 games. Grêmio is already at a bad spot as it was eliminated on PKs by Juventude from the Rio Grande do Sul state tournament, and the pressure is on Luxemburgo to produce. Grêmio still has the manpower to advance to the quarters, but let's see if they came overcome this psychological blow. Grêmio can also appeal this decision and see if the sentence can be cancelled or reduced.
even though I think Vanderley Luxemburgo did not provoke any fight at all... EVEN if he had, CONMEBOL penalties to Gremio and Huachipato are akin to the following, if CONMEBOL was some country´s justice system: - you stop at a traffic light and say to the guy on the car at the side: "I doubt your car is really powerful". The guy then steps at the accelerator goes to 200km/h, runs over 5 people killing them. He gets 6 months in prison. You get 20 years. - you say to your neighbor "can you stop playing this disgraceful music at such loud volume?". He shoots you in the leg. You get 5 years in jail. He must do 5 weeks of communitary service. - Materazzi says to Zidane "i ********ed your sister". Zidane headbutts Materazzi. Materazzi is red carded and banned from World Cups. Zidane has his cock sucked by the referee
@Century´s Best: Luxemburgo has done a terrible job with the good team that was given to him. I am glad to see him gone, maybe Gremio will have a chance. Also, unjust psychological blows may have the inverse effect. BUT the fact it may be good for Gremio that Luxemburgo wont coach the team, does not turns this into poetic justice. Its still injustice as few times I have seen. And yes, maybe Gremio can diminish the penalties. But if Gremio can do that, Huachipato can cancel all penalties, which still amounts to tremendous injustice.
is there an official report on the incident? because there has to be a reason for this, otherwise they are not being particularly great at hiding their corruptness
the facts: -Luxemburgo refused to shake hands with Huachipato coach at the Huachipato win at Gremio Arena. -at the end of the match at Chile, the version of Luxemburgo is that he went to shake hands with the referee and the Huachipato staff were angry at being eliminated and started running after him, looking for a fight. Luxemburgo backed off laughing at the old man trying to beat him, but then the Huachipato coach also came trying to fight and then Huachipato players. - The Huachipato version, bought by CONMEBOL even above what the images show, is that Luxemburgo was a prick and went to the Huachipato coach and said "you are on vacations earlier". Then Huachipato staff lost their heads and went for violence. Ok, EVEN if we buy Huachipato´s version and Luxemburgo was a prick and a bad winner, EVEN SO its still pathetic to give larger punishments for some verbal mocking than to physical violence.
Well this video shows the incident from moments earlier than in yours : Here you see a perfectly calmed Pelliecer walking after the game, and Luxemburgo pass running by him with open arms making a mock on him, which provokes the reaction that came afterwards. So as it seems, judging from your post, that for you it is perfectly normal and a correct sportsmanship attitude to make a laugh at a defeated opponent after a game. Then you are nuts. That's the reason why Luxemburgo was the man most severely punished in this incident. He got it cheap and should 've been punished for life, specially considering that his provocating attitude could've brought with it a reaction from the crowds at the stadium (in a foreign country), and maybe even a fatality due to it.
Similar, but sanctioned by a diferent Conference (so off-topic for this case). Although in Mou's case, he recognizes publicly his wrongdoing, while in Luxemburgo's case, he insists he is innocent of all charges. Mention apart is his whole life of being involved in all sorts of polemics in almost every team he has coached before, where in lots of them, he has left them due to extra-football incidents.
Are you seriously arguing that physical violence should be more tolerated than a couple of cross words? Really? You're honestly going to make that argument? Wow. There isn't much more I can say if that's how ridiculous your starting position is going to be.
I've never condoned such an attitude here or anywhere. What I'm saying, is that Luxemburgo's whole attitude during these incidents, never has been out of any guilt, as how AcesHigh (whom is probably biased as being a fan of Gremio), has tried to make appear with his posts. Btw, verbal harrasment (as the one that happened after the game) , which is completely diferent than a couple of crossed words (as how you are making it appear), can be even worse than physical agression, specially if it leads to it afterwards. If Luxemburgo would have remained calm and hadn't provoked a defeated opponent afterwards, nothing would've happened, but the fellow couldn`t keep his mouth shut and had to do it, reasons why he got his punishment afterwards.
where are these facts coming from? video is deceiving at times if it does not capture the entire confrontation and in answer to your question yes I am sure Conmebol could be more corrupt
words can have strong reactions if said at the wrong time like for example after you have lost a match bad timing led to the debacle, he does not say anything no one gets fined so what started it then? Lux being a dick, therefore its not that crazy he gets the worst part of it
No. Mourinho was being provoked by Barca players. Mourinho was the agressor and he got the fine. Barca did not get banned or fined for their actions. That was my point. First, let's get one thing out of the way. I don't doubt that Luxa was classless and I do not condone this attitude in any way. HOWEVER, physical aggression is always worse than classless words. Even when Materazzi provoked Zidane in 2006, Zidane got a bigger fine and bigger suspension for physically attacking Materazzi. Being a complete dick is not an excuse for someone to physically assault someone. Huachipato should have not escalated it into a brawl and made a formal complaint about Luxemburgo's comments. Physical attacking someone is NEVER excusable.
That's why many Huachipato players also got fined, as at the point when everything was messed up, everyone was hitting and/or receiving in both teams. In the case of Pelliecer, he hit no one and in fact, Luxemburgo wasn't hit either as he fell down backwards after he attempted to do the moon walk step, laughing back at his agressors. Anyhow, in civilized worlds, verbal agression is also considered as a diferent form of physical agression. So don`t intend to minimize it, by saying it is less wrong than actual physical one. They are equally as bad or wrong, no matter how you want to look at them. None is acceptable. Btw, the case refered to Materazi-Zidane, was FIFA's very first ruling against both an agressor and a provoker, and it only set the precedent for the future that both parts will be punished, as in the past before this case, only agressors got fined. The fines for both players was set before knowing whatever any of both sides had to say about the incident. Once Materazi came out and recognized he had said things very offensive to his counterpart, FIFA intended to review the whole case (which never did). At the end, FIFA accepted Zidane to do community service instead (under Zidane's own proposal) and equally gave Zidane, his golden globe award, despite whatever happened, while Materazi, got his 2 game ban, so at the end, Zidane got it cheaper. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo.../Zidane-case-sets-disciplinary-precedent.html
Wrong. Tito Vilanova, from Barcelona, also got a one match suspension from this incident, and had to pay exactly the same amount that was charged to Mou. http://www.marca.com/2011/10/05/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1317806815.html Although as said before, this incident happened under another Conference or League authority, so their proceedings might be diferent than the ones from Conmebol, therefore off-topic.
Villanova was fined for slapping Mourinho back. The provokers weren't fined or suspended. Zidane did not get it cheaper. The 3 game match ban meant nothing to him because he had already retired. In the end, his punishment was harsher than Materazzi's. Also rickdog, I'm not defending Luxa's actions and I'm not saying he had any reason to do what he did. But if you can't understand basic concepts like physical aggression being worse than verbal, then like @onefineesq said, there's no point in having this discussion. Just look at most laws around the world. I agree what Luxa said was downright classless, but if you think that's one of the "rare" cases that are worse than physical aggression and if you think it merited physical retaliation, then we agree to disagree.
Mourinho's ban was eventually lifted http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10/us-soccer-spain-mourinho-ban-idUSBRE8690Q720120710
So was Tito's. The fact is that punishments were handed out to the agressors but to none of the Barca players who provoked Mourinho's actions with what they said to him and RM's players.
didnt Marcelo's fould on Fabregas start the whole thing? either way the fact that the simply let an eye gouge go does not speak very highly of the Spanish Federation
The foul is what escalated the incident, yes. But during the course of the game, Barca's players made comments to Mourinho on the sidelines. And I agree. Pretty pathetic to see them back down on both suspension. It shows you what kind of power both teams have in the federation.
Maybe Luxemburgo thought that Copa Libertadores is also sanctioned by the Spanish Federation and therefore can get his ban lifted as well.......
Excuse my ignorance, but any idea why Emerson got the largest ban, even more games than Luxa? I'm assuming he was involved in the brawl, but what did he do that was so much worse than everyone else? Any details on this?