We could do at least most of what you propose without money for Lewa, obviously subject to final transfer values. Whether BVB mgmt will is of course another matter. Approx #s Cash on hand 12mln Gotze 37 Santana 1 Bittencourt 3 Perisic 3 (I think we didn't spend all this yet) total 56mln Sokratis 8 plus incentives leaves 48 ...KDB if we get him will cost close to 20 alone, Eriksen 12, FB 5, leaves 11 for Aubameyang.
My personal opinion on the Lewandowski matter is that BVB's management is going to secure a replacement before allowing him to leave all while publicly stating that he is staying next season. That would put them in the best position to get a good price on a replacement striker.
Did two German teams not just play in the CL Final? Us after losing players such as Sahin, Barrios & Kagawa?
In 1 season yes but not in the long term. It is hard to keep finding good cheap replacements. Eventually selling the best players summer after summer catches up with the team. Look at Arsenal - they sold Adebayor, Cesc, Nasri, Henry, Toure, Song,Clichy, RVP,etc and the replacements are shit like Gervinho, Squillaci, Djourou, Santos, Bendtner, Denilson,Chamakh,Park. Guys like Arteta, Mertesacker,Podolski, Walcott,Giroud are decent players but can never lead a team to a trophy. They are pretty limited. Arsenal currently have only 2 top players (Cazorla and Koscielny) and maybe Wilshere. The rest are not very good. Same thing goes for Werder Bremen. The scouting gets rubbish with time.
^^ The truth is that a club like Arsenal pays horrible players good wage. With their much vaunted socialist wage bill, Most of their useless players are earning a lot E.g Djourou and Squilacci both are on like 50k per week, Add that to Andre Santos, Chamakh, Denilson, bendtner, Arshavin The dead weights they carry is just too much All the above names players earns at least 3 times what Grooskreutz earn and none has contributed a 3rd of what he does to Arsenal (even if you add all their output together) Bvb can increase their wage bill to half of Arsenal and still achieve more than them if they make smart buys and reduce the turds See below list FIRST TEAM WAGE (pwk) WAGE (p/yr) Lukas Podolski £107,000 £5,564,000 Tomas Rosicky £80,000 £4,160,000 Per Mertesacker £80,000 £4,160,000 Andrey Arshavin £78,000 £4,056,000 Santi Carzorla £70,000 £3,640,000 Mikel Arteta £70,000 £3,640,000 Thomas Vermaelen £70,000 £3,640,000 Theo Walcott £60,000 £3,120,000 Olivier Giroud £60,000 £3,120,000 Gervinho £60,000 £3,120,000 Bacary Sagna £60,000 £3,120,000 Marouane Chamakh £60,000 £3,120,000 Andre Santos £60,000 £3,120,000 Jack Wilshere £60,000 £3,120,000 Abou Diaby £60,000 £3,120,000 Denilson £60,000 £3,120,000 Laurent Koscielny £60,000 £3,120,000 Johan Djourou £50,000 £2,600,000 Kieran Gibbs £50,000 £2,600,000 Nicklas Bendtner £50,000 £2,600,000 Sebastien Squillaci £50,000 £2,600,000 Aaron Ramsey £50,000 £2,600,000 Wojciech Szczesny £50,000 £2,600,000 Lukasz Fabianski £50,000 £2,600,000 Ju Young Park £50,000 £2,600,000 Vito Mannone £30,000 £1,560,000 Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain £30,000 £1,560,000 Carl Jenkinson £30,000 £1,560,000 Emmanuel Frimpong £30,000 £1,560,000 Francis Coquelin £30,000 £1,560,000 Ryo Miyaichi £18,000 £936,000 Ignasi Miquel £10,000 £520,000 Joel Campbell £10,000 £520,000 £90,636,000
Who says this is going to continue? You? How do you know? The club is BUILDING toward being able to keep up with the rest better. The way they are going, you can bet your ass the last player we will have transfer drama with when his time comes is Reus. After another CL season or two, we'll be able to make these guys the offers which might keep them in Dortmund. You've been here a little while man. Remember when I had to try to drill into some people's heads that in a season or two, they would raise the salary level from where it was two years ago? That's happened and it is about to happen again. The thing which is different with BVB is they are keeping their plan "fresh" by improving upon it as we go along. They know there is still work to be done. And if they begin to let it stagnate, you know I'll be the first one to call them on it. I don't think Arsenal is "pretty limited." I think Liverpool is "pretty limited." I think Everton is "pretty limited." I think Newcastle is "pretty limited." Arsenal is not "pretty limited." I think you just have unrealistic expectations of some clubs. As in if they aren't running right with the richest clubs, they somehow are "limited." Newsflash. Not every club has money to burn. Not every club has an oil rich sugar daddy to write off huge mistakes. Most clubs still have to worry about financial survival and act accordingly. Arsenal is one of them. As much as I love Arsene Wenger, I believe he's a small part of the problem at Arsenal. I think he can't reach the younger generation of players the way he reached the guys he had just five or six years ago. But better coaches don't grow on trees either. Name anytime Werder has done anything notable in Europe other than 2009. Terrible example. They were very good domestically. Never did jack shit in the CL. And even with this, they still know how to find talent. They've had good players. They simply let their system go stale. They waited too long to try something fresh. Now this can happen at BVB. It eventually happened to Klopp in Mainz. But it should not happen for at least another three to six years depending on the moves made in the next two years or so.
And even with this, I believe they are still "frugal" when you compare them to the likes of Man Shitty and Chelsea. It's not what you pay, it is who you pay.......
But Arsenal's numbers aren't even published yet for 2013 afaik. And how should they have reduced their wage bill by £ 52m?
^^Thanks BayernFan for sharing that particular piece. I knew Arsenal overpaid for deadweight, but not by that much. Arshavin paid more than Walcott, Arteta, and Cazorla? What a joke. We may not be at that level financially, but if we can continue to make smart moves, we can continue to punch above our "weight" financially.
I believe these wage figures include all employees and not just players. from Swiss Ramble regarding Arsenal right below the chart. In addition, a once-off charge of £2.2 million was included to top-up the pension provision, while Arsenal’s lack of trophies and commercial growth did not prevent Gazidis’ package rising 24% to £2.15 million (salary £1.366 million, bonus £675,000, pension £100,000).
What worth do those numbers have without taking everything in account though? They don't even include bonuses, the manager and staff salaries, pension expenses are also related to the wages. All I'm saying is the number of £90,636,000 as Arsenal's wage bill is giving a false picture of what they are actually paying. I found the source of Bayernfan's numbers btw. http://arsenaltruth.squarespace.com/arsenal-truth/2012/11/4/arsenals-1434m-wage-bill-exposed.html
Right. And I get that "timh19's" comments only stressed doubt on whether we can continue to do this. His comments were very reasonable. I just believe our management's plan isn't to have to continue to replace major pieces every season. It is just going to happen until we can get to where we need to be financially. Which won't be much longer now...... In Arsenal's defense on Arshavin, when they got Arshavin, he was one of the most sought after players in Europe and they could have only gotten him by paying him an outrageous salary. Not saying this makes it "right." Just "understandable....."
I believe that's true. I wonder if they might be thinking of teaching him how to play some right back???
Thanks for finding the source of the numbers. Isolating the total into parts can be instructive into whether Arsenal's lack of trophies is related to an inability to increase spending or if they have just spent poorly.
A bit of both. Reluctant to pay RVP so you can accommodate those dead weight Their wage bill currently is 4th behind Man Utd. You cant compare any club to the insanity at Etihad and Stamford bridge
I believe that Bier is Kronen. There has been a Kronen Bierstube on the spot of Wenkers since 1430 (longer than Hofbräuhaus in München). Also, Dortmund was granted brewing rights on August 22, 1293 by King Adolph of Nassau, thirty-five years before Augustiner Bräu would begin operations in München.
It is not Kronen. They do serve Kronen, but they brew their own house bier too. Trust me. I was there recently and you can find the house bier the menu. I have the house bier every time I'm there. They brew bier on the site, but it isn't Kronen. If I'm not mistaken, the place being a Kronen bierstube only means Kronen owns the major bier rights for the building. For a short period after I got out of the Army, I worked at a bar a friend of mine owned in Erlangen. A now defunct brauerei, "Patrizier Brau" of Nuernberg owned the major bier rights for that building. He served other biers he wanted too, but had to get permission from Patrizier to do so. Again, he was also forced to serve Patrizier and their other brands. BTW, was there a point to mentioning that Dortmund was granted brewing rights before Munich? Just because they might have been doing it longer in Dortmund doesn't mean Dortmund does it "better." And they don't. Or was that just a quick history lesson??
Very cool! Thanks for clarifying. No, I just thought it was interesting. My favorite beer is from Munich as well-Augustiner Edelstoff, which, fortunately, I am able to get here in Chicago. Cheers!