Bundesliga and the rest: Domestic and European competition discussion

I think any German kid is a fool to sign with RB Leipzig until they show they can actually promote Academy players, one of the worst Academies to join. Most players are leaving as they are closer to being no longer eligible for U19.

RB's Winter transfers
-Adams from RB NY
-Haidara from RB Salzburg
-Powell from the English Championship.
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-bundesliga-giants-to-lure-wigan-ace-with-january-deal

basically poaching players from sister clubs, lol.

so a team with no reserves will add 3 more players to a packed squad where matchchay squads are only 18 players. RB's current 1st team including GKs is already made up of 22 players. Add another 3 and you end up with 25 players on squad vs 18 match squad. That's 7 players who will be left out every matchday......

 

not surprising that Turkish clubs want to buy Stuttgart\s German-Turk, Berkay Ozcan. Have to say would not mind seeing him leave, he's not even that good.
https://www.90min.de/posts/6221868-...rce=categories_page&view_medium=[top-stories]

 

so who cares about German players? Dortmund could easily easily lure any German prospect even those that aren't from their own Academy. But nope let's get more Brits.

never a good thing when one of the biggest clubs in the country is more interested in foreign talent. On top of one that makes CL regularly.

 

EPL has no interest in developing their own domestic players, let Germany do it and let those players block German players at the same time.

none of this would happen if EPL gave more chances to their fricking players.The irony is that these English players would never go to Germany if they were given chances at home.

well on the +, we'll help England and France win youth tournaments and WCs by helping to develop more of their players further.

 

Brexit plan to limit players from abroad at Premier League clubs
In a bid to deal with Brexit and boost the number of homegrown players, the English FA is planning to reduce the number of overseas players in Premier League squads to 12 from 17, the Times newspaper reported on Tuesday.

The proposal, to be put to the clubs this week, would mean significant changes to a number of sides. Thirteen clubs have more than 12 overseas players in their first-team squads this season.


The FA would in return agree to give a governing body endorsement, usually issued for a non-EU/European Economic Area elite player to help the development of football in England, for a work permit for every foreign player who gets a contract with a Premier League club, the report said.

If the clubs fail to reach agreement with the FA on Brexit, they could face a "no-deal" scenario where all EU players would have to fulfil the same criteria that non-EU players do now to get a work permit, the report added.

"We are continuing to work with the Premier League, EFL [English Football League] and a range of government departments, including: DCMS [Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport]; Home Office; Treasury during this consultation period," an FA spokesperson told Reuters.

British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Monday that there were still considerable unresolved issues with the European Union over Brexit as the two sides approached the "endgame" in negotiations for departure from the bloc.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/english-...-cut-foreign-players-in-premier-league-report

so restrictions to help domestic players seem close while in Germany there are no restrictions neither EU nor non EU restrictions. Too easy for anyone to come in.

 

1/3 of the season done and the teams for top 4 are
1-Dortmund 2-Gladbach 3-RB 4-Frankfurt.

that is one dreadful top 4.
Dortmund, RB and Frankfurt are teams who barely play German players and if the season ended now. Would be horrible to see them make CL next season.

@nekkibasara
Honigstein saying, Kovac is still at Bayern by default because there is no one else (lol) and that Bayern underestimated the competition and have pretty much written this season off.Any changes will happen in Summer.
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=3699894

 

BREXIT SNATCH: Germany's Bundesliga to EXPLIOT Hard Brexit and overtake Premier League
GERMANY’S Bundesliga football teams will exploit a Brexit drain of players from the Premier League, an expert believes.

Top talent could join German teams instead of British sides once free movement of EU workers to the UK ends, according to Gregor Reiter, lawyer and managing director of the German Player Mediators Association

Stars like Mezut Ozil, Leroy Sané and Ilkay Gündogan whose contracts extend beyond the March 29, 2019 exit date would not have their work statuses affected.

But future transfers could be hit once footballers from the EU have the same status as non-EU players from South America, Asia or Africa, giving Germany a post-Brexit boost, it is claimed.

Mr Reiter, told German newspaper Bild: “As a result, I am convinced that the harder the Brexit, the better for the Bundesliga.

“It will be the one European league that benefits the most.

“In my opinion, because of Brexit, it will replace the Premier League as number one in the world in the medium term.

“Strikingly, Brexit is the best that can happen to German football - even if it is politically regrettable.”

The Premier League currently operates a points system for non-EU players.

Players must have played in at least 75 percent of their country’s senior international matches over the past two years to play in the UK.

Once Britain leaves the EU it is thought South American or African players could be pushed out of the Premier League by European stars.

Mr Reiter believes this would see talent pour from England into Germany, pushing down players’ transfer fees.

He said: “The consequences will be that continental European players in England are becoming more expensive.

“Players who have previously flirted with a change in the Premier League, but in the future do not meet the requirements, must focus on other markets.

“There is the next market everyone will look at, because it is the economically strongest after the Premier League: the German one.

“The Bundesliga clubs will be able to choose from a larger number of good players with the result that the whole thing will be cheaper.”

British players abroad could also be affected by Brexit, with questions even raised over Gareth Bale’s status as a Real Madrid player.

The Welsh captain and three-times Champions League winner could push the La Liga giants over their three non-EU players’ quota once Britain leaves the bloc.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...loit-premier-league-player-exodus-gareth-bale



I would not say its the best thing to happen to German football, as all it means is that we will become EPL 2.0.,filled with foreign players and a lack of domestic players. The current every club must have 12 German players registered and other stuff are such a farce that plenty of clubs easily bypass with no effort.

 

Well 50+1 policy limit clubs finance so it’s not too big of a concern

And all these English kids will have to stay in England because they required more domestic players.

I think DFL have to focus on the non-EU quota and have to restrict the squad size to 25. That’s the best thing they can do given other policies remain the same

 

about 50+1
Mr Reiter believes this would see talent pour from England into Germany, pushing down players’ transfer fees.
“The Bundesliga clubs will be able to choose from a larger number of good players with the result that the whole thing will be cheaper.”

according to the math,
50% of every team will be min made of English players so yeah. More chances for English kids means they will stay. Although they seem to think these EPL rules if sanctioned won't be a thing until 2020. So that's 2 years of potential English leaving.



what is the likehood, that DFL even get non-EU quota? Spain, England etc all have that, why doesn't Germany have it too. You can't do anything about EU but non-EU is easily fixable. And they really should decrease the number of squad players.These 2 things on top of min 12 registered German players and other policies, will easily help domestic players, although who knows if DFL have any interest in doing anything.

I think DFL really need to think about Euro 2024 being hosted in Germany as well as the NT going downwards, no one wants to see Germany flop in 6 years time. The more you help domestic players the better.

 

while posting about Ozcan having Turkish interest. Bild said this as well.
"Since the VfB wants to aggressively upgrade again in winter,"

lol, so after their $50M's worth of purchasing foreign youth kids that didn't pan out at all and them bombing in the league. They will splash the cash in Winter. Both goals they scored in their 2-0 win were from corners too, they are struggling to score in open play.

have to say that Summer transfer from Stuttgart where they announced all the players in one shot, was so ridiculous. Was anyone supposed to be impressed by them spending a fortune on kids with barely to 0 pro experience?

 

Not every team is as stupid and evil as u think

 

no but a ton of clubs in Germany are mismanaged clubs, including Bayern.

mismanaged when it comes to 1st teams and/or Academies.

 

RB Leipzig sporting director talks English player.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...g-sporting-director-paul-mitchell-bundesliga/

completely forget that RB's sporting director is an English (biased much), almost the entire article yaps about how in England there are no opportunities for English players but that there are in Germany. Dude just sounds like someone who wants to help develop his countrymen.

"England have the quality coming through and must get chance to shine insists Paul Mitchell“We have to be reflective that we have a lot of good players in England and they need to play to get those capable minutes between the ages 17 and 21. “England have a great environment, coaching system and understanding of talent to give these guys a real platform to go on and be successful. “Our managers in the Premier League don’t get time - so how are we ever going to get to a point where these players are allowed to learn on the job or make mistakes?

why exactly is any of this related to Germany? So we should develop their players? The same idea about players needing minutes between 17-21 is applicable to German players too. Irony is this coming from RB Leipzig, the club who have given 0 minutes in 1BL to Academy players, worse in the entire league. A club that doesn't help their own players to begin with, no reserves means almost the entire U19 is dumped after their last eligible season, hypocrite.

also talks about it all being about England Youth NT successes in recent times. Oh the same England that bombed at the U19 Euros and failed to make the U20 WC being defending champions, that England?

 

good riddance, Kagawa has been pretty bad over the last few seasons. And I've always said I hate when players return to Germany, just makes them look like failures.

in other news, Tedesco says the obvious that it's not the same without Goretzka. Kind of obvious that no Goretzka/Meyer has made Schalke a ton weaker.Too influential on the team.

 

What's the effect of Brexit, both ways?

 

read the article above about the English plans for Brexit.
Brexit plan to limit players from abroad at Premier League clubs

while Germany doesn't have non EU restrictions. The non EU restriction is basically need to be 18 and above years old to sign, that's it. It's why they are all saying players will flock to Germany.

If they don't update their policy, 1BL could become EPL 2.0 in that huge majority of the league will be foreign players. All of their current policies are being bypassed by clubs like Frankfurt and RB about needing 12 German players. All they do is give pro contracts to domestic U19 players with 0 intent on ever playing them and that's it. And if clubs don't abide by the 12 players they get fined by such a low amount anyways.