BSMX's Official Mexican National Team Random Thoughts Thread vol. II

Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by DGreat, Feb 17, 2014.

  1. Criscutfries

    Criscutfries Member

    Jul 27, 2014
    Riverside CA
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I had this exact same thought right now, while watching the game.
     
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  2. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
     
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  3. LGRod

    LGRod Member+

    Mexico
    Aug 14, 2010
    Listenin to Los Bookies
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Didn't happen and the last part ain't happening either.
     
  4. LGRod

    LGRod Member+

    Mexico
    Aug 14, 2010
    Listenin to Los Bookies
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
  5. Serg33

    Serg33 Member+

    Jul 11, 2007
    FMF scheduling moleros as usual...
     
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  6. SoDamnSmooth

    SoDamnSmooth Red Card

    Oct 17, 2007
    NJ
    Club:
    Bayer 04 Leverkusen
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    And still no DT
     
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  7. Saldgotti1991

    Saldgotti1991 Member+

    Jun 7, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
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  8. Miguel Myers

    Miguel Myers Member+

    Dec 3, 2011
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
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  9. Majin

    Majin Member+

    Arsenal
    Mexico
    May 7, 2013
    Zacatecas
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
  10. thedragonrik58

    thedragonrik58 Member+

    Los Angeles Football Club
    Mexico
    Jul 5, 2011
    Palmdale
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Lol I almost thought it was real for a minute [emoji23]
     
  11. Hecho en Chivas

    Hecho en Chivas Member+

    Apr 22, 2004
    Chulajuana
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The NT will forever be a second tier team that will never evolve unless the FMF makes some serious changes

    Sad part is I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Been following the NT since the 90s, and nothing has changed. Sure, we have more players in Europe now than 20 years ago but the NT is still in the same place.

    The last 3 to 5 years though things have gotten worse I feel. The NT has been a shit show circus from the senior team all the way down to the youth teams, and the league itself has been going downhill in quality. That’s evident now more than ever seeing as our clubs are no longer in Libertadores. Add that to the fact we’ve been struggling more against MLS teams and we’re bringing in more useless foreign players which in turn prevent our young guys from growing. And now to top it all off, no more relegation and there have been rumors of wanting to merge with MLS.

    What’s so pathetic is that the FMF fails to see this and them along with Televisa have been selling the NT as if it was a damn Ferrari when in fact it’s more of a damn Fiat.

    Whatever though. Maybe it’s because of so many years of the same shit that I’ve come to accept the fact that Mexican fútbol will forever be stuck in mediocrity.
     
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  12. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member+

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018
    #8587 LAFEFUT, Nov 20, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2018
    They do see it but the problem is the oligarchy social fabric in Mexico. Let's make it clear as possible, FMF le vale un cacaguate! And please, those clamoring for Mexican players to go to Europe... Unless you are going to a top tier team, why go and waste your time on a mid-lower level team in a league that is not as good and be bench. The framework for Mexican football in Mexico is broken- fix that first and things will improve. Look at Jurgen Damm's recent comments. He stated that he doesn't want to go to Europe (whether has has the playing level is a slightly different topic) because he will take a pay cut.
     
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  13. Lukato

    Lukato Member+

    Sep 7, 2012
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    lol that is an idiotic take, most south americans in top tier teams start in midtable squads when they move from south america to europe, Suarez started in Groningen, Alexis Sanchez in Udinese, Vidal in Leverkusen, Cavani in Palermo, etc. At best you can hope for a Porto/Benfica get you like it happened with James, Di Maria or Falcao but most often than not you have to "picar piedra" when you move to Europe if you want to end on the elite, the problem is that our players are weak mentally and let the owners and directivos to use them as tools instead of rising up precisely because of what Damm said.
     
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  14. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    It's not the FMF but the clubs and liga mx. Argentina FA is one of the worsts in every sense in of the way and so are they clubs but look at them. They have enough talent that as soon as a semi good coach appears they become candidates. If Mexico had the talent then there would be no problem but they don't since they are always comparing to themselves and not seeing that other teams do the same. You say that Mexico has sent more players to europe and are still in the same place without realizing that because Mexico has been sending players to Europe, they might have remained them. If we went to the World Cup with an All Liga MX team like in 98 or that team that qualified in New Zealand, it would have been disastrous.
     
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  15. AMLO2018

    AMLO2018 Member+

    Mexico
    Jul 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    #8590 AMLO2018, Nov 20, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2018
    Get ready for the Liga Mediocre Mx apologists & naturalizado ball lickers to attack you. Spot on posts by you though

    So lifting up all domestic silverware like Raul Jimenez did in the Portuguese league w/ Benfica while resurrecting his career is a waste of time ? :rolleyes: because playing against the likes of Veracruz, Necaxa, Leon screams top level competion

    He's the same idiot who claimed that the Eredivisie is worse than Liga Muy X :laugh: Feyernood, Vitesse, Ajax, PSV etc would run circles around Lobos BUAP, Atlas, Puebla, Tijuana if they ever met in a tournament for prize money like the CWC
     
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  16. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member+

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018
    Te equivocas en insultarme pero se ve el nivel de educaion.

    La mayor parte de los "europeos" que a mexico le gusta presumir son banca o no los convocan. Aun asi, no supera mexico 8vos. Con o sin europeos no se supera los 8vos - dime de que tanto sirve que se vayan para europa para ser banca. Argentina, una seleccion repleta de futboleros en ligas importantes en equipos importantes con el supuestamente el mejor futbolero los botaron en 8vos. Brasi, el maximo referente en el futbol, con puro jugador elite y con suplentes que acaban de jugar la champions solo dieron un paso mas (4tos) que mexico. Tampoco se dejen llevar que lo de exportar jugadores a europa es un negocio.

    No estoy diciendo que no se puede mejorar. Lo que digo es que se tiene jugar como titular donde estes o tener esa regularidad. Antuna en la banca en el Groningen. El Tecatito , por favor, jugador con un regate sumamente bueno en la banca casi todo el año pasado. Moreno lo corrieron de la Roma, Araujo acaba de llegar a el Celta y ya es banca igual que el Guti. Y por favor Ado Den Haag o AZ?

    Ahi tienes a los rusos con el 99% de jugadores en la liga rusa y hicieron un muy buen mundial. Lo que si te digo que los maximos logros de mexico, incluyendo los subcampeonatos de la copa america y la mayor parte de nuestra copas de chocolate (oro), fueron jugando en la liga local:

    Copa Confederaciones 1999:

    Jorge Campos - Mexico UNAM
    Claudio Suárez - Mexico Guadalajara
    Joel Sánchez - Mexico América
    Rafael Márquez - Mexico Atlas
    Gerardo Torrado - Mexico UNAM
    Germán Villa - Mexico Necaxa
    Ramón Ramírez - Mexico UANL
    Alberto García Aspe (c) - Mexico América
    José Manuel Abundis -Mexico Toluca
    Cuauhtémoc Blanco -Mexico América
    Daniel Osorno - Mexico Atlas
    Óscar Pérez -Mexico Cruz Azul
    Pável Pardo -Mexico América
    Isaac Terrazas -Mexico América
    Luis Hernández - Mexico UANL
    Jesús Arellano - Mexico Guadalajara
    Francisco Palencia - Mexico Cruz Azul
    Salvador Carmona - Mexico Toluca
    Miguel Zepeda - Mexico Atlas
    Rafael García - Mexico Toluca

    Olympiadas 2012:

    José de Jesús Corona - Mexico Cruz Azul
    Israel Jiménez -Mexico UANL
    Carlos Salcido* - Mexico UANL
    Hiram Mier -Mexico Monterrey
    Dárvin Chávez - Mexico Monterrey
    Héctor Herrera - Mexico Pachuca
    Javier Cortés - Mexico UNAM
    Marco Fabián - Mexico Guadalajara
    Oribe Peralta* - Mexico Santos Laguna
    Giovani dos Santos - England Tottenham Hotspur
    Javier Aquino - Mexico Cruz Azul
    Raúl Jiménez - Mexico América
    Diego Reyes - Mexico América
    Jorge Enríquez - Mexico Guadalajara
    Néstor Vidrio - Mexico Pachuca
    Miguel Ponce - Mexico Guadalajara
    Néstor Araujo - Mexico Cruz Azul
    José Antonio Rodríguez -Mexico Guadalajara

    Sub17 2011:
    Richard Sánchez - FC Dallas
    Francisco Flores - Mexico Cruz Azul
    Carlos Guzmán - Mexico Morelia
    Antonio Briseño (c) - Mexico Atlas
    Jorge Caballero - Mexico Monterrey
    Kevin Escamilla - Mexico UNAM
    Jonathan Espericueta - Mexico UANL
    Julio Gómez - Mexico Pachuca
    Carlos Fierro - Mexico Guadalajara
    Arturo González - Mexico Atlas
    Marco Bueno -Mexico Pachuca
    José González - Mexico Pachuca
    Luis Solorio -Mexico Guadalajara
    Fabián Guzmán - Mexico Atlas
    Felipe Sifuentes - Mexico Monterrey
    Enrique Flores - Mexico Monterrey
    Giovani Casillas - Mexico Guadalajara
    José Tostado - Mexico Guadalajara
    Daniel Hernández - Mexico Atlas
    Marcelo Gracia - Mexico Monterrey

    Sub17 2005:
    Richard Sánchez - 5 April United States FC Dallas
    Francisco Flores - Mexico Cruz Azul
    Carlos Guzmán - Mexico Morelia
    Antonio Briseño (c) - Mexico Atlas
    Jorge Caballero - Mexico Monterrey
    Kevin Escamilla - Mexico UNAM
    Jonathan Espericueta - Mexico UANL
    Julio Gómez -Mexico Pachuca
    Carlos Fierro - Mexico Guadalajara
    Arturo González - Mexico Atlas
    Marco Bueno -Mexico Pachuca
    José González - Mexico Pachuca
    Luis Solorio -Mexico Guadalajara
    Fabián Guzmán - Mexico Atlas
    Felipe Sifuentes - Mexico Monterrey
    Enrique Flores - Mexico Monterrey
    Giovani Casillas - Mexico Guadalajara
    José Tostado -Mexico Guadalajara
    Daniel Hernández Mexico Atlas
    Marcelo Gracia - Mexico Monterrey
    Dilan Nicoletti - Argentina Newell's Old Boys


    Worldwide ranking #5 1997:

    Oswaldo Sánchez 21 -Mexico América
    Claudio Suárez (c) - Mexico Guadalajara
    Francisco Gabriel de Anda- Mexico Santos Laguna
    Germán Villa -Mexico América
    Duilio Davino - Mexico América
    Raúl Lara - Mexico América
    Ramón Ramírez -Mexico Guadalajara
    Braulio Luna - Mexico UNAM
    Paulo César Chávez - Mexico Guadalajara
    Luis García - Mexico Atlante
    Cuauhtémoc Blanco - Mexico Necaxa
    Óscar Pérez - Mexico Cruz Azul
    Pável Pardo - Mexico Atlas
    Isaac Terrazas - Mexico América
    Luis Hernández - Argentina Boca Juniors
    Markus López - Mexico Guadalajara
    Francisco Palencia -Mexico Cruz Azul
    Salvador Carmona - Mexico Toluca
    Noe Zárate - Mexico Guadalajara
    José Manuel Abundis - Mexico Toluca
     
  17. AMLO2018

    AMLO2018 Member+

    Mexico
    Jul 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    El Tri en 2002 fue con puro local menos Rafa Marquez y Torrado ? contra EEUU hicieron el peor ridiculo de su era moderna. Tu logica no tiene sentido ademas los Rusos jugaron su mundial dopados y la Liga Rusa es mas que MX

    por cierto se escribe educación, como lo escribistes tu demuestra el bajo nivel de educación que tienes :ROFLMAO:
     
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  18. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    Que argumento mas patetico. Me ENCANTA como se pasan hablando de que Mexico esta estancado y no se que pero despues para sus argumentos de que la liga local y Europa, cual es su referenete? MEXICO. Toda el resto de la selecciones que son potencias con sus jugadores en las mejores ligas de Europa, no valen tanto como lo que paso en el 1998 cuando solo Argentina y Brasil estaban llenos de Europeos en America (y fueron los que mejor les fue en ese mundial).
     
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  19. The better players you have, the better team you have.
    The best players play in Europe's best team.
    The best Europeans teams play in the UCL latter stages.

    There is very, very strong correlation between how many player a national team has in the UCL's top teams and that teams performance at the World Cup (and Euro)

    There are some raw numbers out there, but it doesn't take a genius to see this....






    .... pero aqui estamos otra vez con la misma discusion.
     
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  20. JJV1994

    JJV1994 Member+

    Jun 16, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Unless the FMF could force individual clubs to invest heavily on youth scouting & training why blame them?

    That's the real problem after all.
     
  21. JJV1994

    JJV1994 Member+

    Jun 16, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Who let the Mediotiempo posters in ???
     
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  22. Sanchito

    Sanchito Member+

    Jul 15, 2005
    an island in my mind
    Support of the national team has to collapse for anything to change. There is absolutely no reason to change a profitable venture otherwise. It would be madness from a business perspective to do so.
     
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  23. Otaku

    Otaku Member+

    Dec 9, 2003
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Which is why I always said a project to become THE premier coaching academy in the western hemisphere should be one of the things Mexico aspires to be.
     
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