BigSoccer's Players of the Season: 1877-78

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  1. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are the main matches of the 1877-78 season in chronological order.

    I hope fellow posters can add the missing goalscorers and best players from match reports.

    Scottish Cup 2nd round replay, Vale of Leven-Dumbarton 4-1, 27.10.1877, Alexandria
    goals:
    best players:

    Scottish Cup 3rd round, 3rd Lanark- Queen's Park 1-0, 10.11.1877, Glasgow, Cathkin Park
    goals: Miller
    best players:
    Queen’s Park is defeated for only the third time ever and knocked out of the Scottish Cup. The only goal of the game came after half an hour. The Queen’s ‘keeper slipped as he attempted to kick the ball clear and Miller pounced to score.

    Queen's Park-Notts County 6-1, 17.11.1877, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance:
    goals: Weir (3), scrimmage, Highet (2) / Keeley
    best players:

    Sheffield-London 0-6, 17.11.1877, Sheffield, Bramall Lane, Attendance: 10,000
    goals:
    best players:
    Kinnaird is the captain of London as a back.

    FA Cup 1st round replay, Sheffield FC– Notts County 3-0, 1.12.1877, Sheffield, Bramall Lane
    goals:
    best players:

    Queen's Park-Cambridge University 0-0, 15.12.1877, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 1,250
    best players:

    Scottish Cup 4th round replay, Vale of Leven-Rangers 5-0, 15.12.1877, Alexandria
    goals:
    best players:

    London - Sheffield 2-1, 29.12.1877, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals:
    best players:

    Vale of Leven-Queen’s Park 1-1, 12.1.1878, Alexandria, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: McDougal / Weir
    best players:
    The North British Daily Mail described it as “the finest match ever played in Scotland”.

    Notts County- Queen’s Park 1-2, 19.1.1878, Nottingham, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: 0-1 Harry McNeil, 1-1 Cursham, 2-1 Weir or Ker
    best players:

    FA Cup 3rd round replay, Wanderers - Barnes 4-1, 26.1.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    Goals: Wollaston, Wylie, Kinnaird, Green
    best players:

    Sheffield-Glasgow 2-4, 9.2.1878, Sheffield, Bramall Lane, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: 0-1 McNeil, 0-2 Britten, 0-3 Campbell, 1-3 Cursham, 2-3 Cursham, 2-4 M McNeil
    best players:
    The seriousness with which Glasgow approached this fixture is revealed in the fact that 60 players from 15 clubs took part in trials before the team was selected. Sheffield were now criticised by their own press for passing too much.
    The lineups are here:
    http://gottfriedfuchs.blogspot.com/2014/02/sheffield-v-glasgow-1870s.html
    However, according to http://www.qphistory.com James Phillips, David Davidson, Willie McKinnon, Jimmy Weir and Harry McNeil played in the Glasgow side.

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Royal Engineers – Oxford University 3-3, 15.2.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    Goals: ?
    best players:

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Wanderers – Sheffield FC 3-0, 16.2.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    Goals: Wylie, Wace, Denton
    best players:

    FA Cup Quarter-final replay, Royal Engineers – Oxford University 2-2, 27.2.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    Goals: ?
    best players:

    SCO-ENG 7-2, 2.3.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 10,000
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1877-78/M0007Sco1878.html
    https://eu-football.info/_match.php?id=4323
    goals: 1-0 McDougall (7), 2-0 McGregor (32), 3-0 McNeil (39), 4-0 McDougall (41), 5-0 McDougall (46), 6-0 MacKinnon (62), 6-1 Wylie (65), 7-1 McNeil (70), 7-2 Cursham (75)
    best players:

    FA Cup Quarter-final 2nd replay, Royal Engineers – Oxford University 4-2, 12.3.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players:

    FA Cup Semi-final, Royal Engineers - Old Harrovians 2-1, 16.3.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players:

    Queen’s Park- Vale of Leven 2-0, 16.3.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 12,000
    goals: Ker, McPherson (o.g.)
    best players:
    Some 12,000 spectators attended the match – an enormous crowd for the time. Despite being without goalkeeper John Dickson who had been confined to his house with a serious illness, Queen’s Park had a comfortable 2-0 win.

    Scottish Cup Semi-final 2nd replay, 3rd Lanark- Renton 1-0, 16.3.1878, Glasgow
    goals:
    best players:

    FA Cup Final, Wanderers - Royal Engineers 3-1, 23.3.1878, The Oval, Attendance: 4,500
    Goals: Kenrick 1-0 15', 1-1 Morris 20' , 2-1 Kinnaird 35', Kenrick 3-1 65',
    best players:
    Under the original rules of the competition, the Cup is retired and presented to the club on a permanent basis to mark their third straight win, but the Wanderers return the Cup to the Football Association on the condition that it never again be won outright by any club.

    SCO-WAL 9-0, 23.3.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 6,000
    https://eu-football.info/_match.php?id=4322
    goals: 1-0 P.Campbell (4), 2-0 Weir (15), 3-0 P.Campbell (18), 4-0 Baird (37), 5-0 Ferguson (38), 6-0 Weir (42), 7-0 Ferguson (50), 8-0 Watson (60), 9-0 Lang (70)
    best players:

    Scottish Cup Final, Vale of Leven-3rd Lanark 1-0, 30.3.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: McDougall 65'
    best players:
    Vale of Leven, who needed replays to overcome Dumbarton and Rangers, retains the Scottish Cup.

    Wanderers – Vale of Leven 1-3, 13.4.1878, The Oval, Attendance: 2,000
    Goals: Wollaston / ?
    best players:
    Vale of Leven beats a weakened Wanderers side in heavy rain, a victory of the passing game over individual dribbling. Mostly goal-keeping errors are the reason for Wanderes’s defeat.

    Charity Cup Final, Queen's Park- Vale of Leven 1-0, 4.5.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: ?
    goals:
    best players:
     
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  2. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Additions in blue


    Scottish Cup 2nd round, Clydesdale v Queens Park 0-2, 20.10.1877, Clydesdale
    Goals: Highet, Peden
    Best Players: Gardner / W MacKinnon, H McNeil, Highet


    Scottish Cup 2nd round replay, Vale of Leven-Dumbarton 4-1, 27.10.1877, Alexandria
    goals:
    best players:

    Scottish Cup 3rd round, 3rd Lanark- Queen's Park 1-0, 10.11.1877, Glasgow, Cathkin Park, Attendance 4,000
    goals: Miller
    best players: Wallace (gk), Somers, Kennedy / Phillips, Davidson, Campbell
    Queen’s Park is defeated for only the third time ever and knocked out of the Scottish Cup. The only goal of the game came after half an hour. The Queen’s ‘keeper slipped as he attempted to kick the ball clear and Miller pounced to score.

    Queen's Park-Notts County 6-1, 17.11.1877, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance:
    goals: Weir (3), scrimmage, Highet (2) / Keeley
    best players: Neill, Weir, Highet, McNeil / Greenhalgh, Jessop, Seals

    Sheffield-London 0-6, 17.11.1877, Sheffield, Bramall Lane, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Wylie 2, H Heron, Wollaston, Sparks, Wace
    best players: Mosforth / Wylie
    Kinnaird is the captain of London as a back. Reports say W Rawson was captain.

    FA Cup 1st round replay, Sheffield FC– Notts County 3-0, 1.12.1877, Sheffield, Bramall Lane, Attendance 1,500
    goals: Cursham 2, Matthews
    best players:

    Queen's Park-Cambridge University 0-0, 15.12.1877, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 1,250
    best players: Jarrett

    Scottish Cup 4th round replay, Vale of Leven-Rangers 5-0, 15.12.1877, Alexandria
    goals: Ferguson 2, McDougall, McFarlaue, ?
    best players:

    London - Sheffield 2-1, 29.12.1877, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    Goals: Wylie, Dorling / Mosforth
    best players: C Warner (London gk)

    Vale of Leven-Queen’s Park 1-1, 12.1.1878, Alexandria, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: McDougal / Weir
    best players:
    The North British Daily Mail described it as “the finest match ever played in Scotland”.

    Notts County- Queen’s Park 1-2, 19.1.1878, Nottingham, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: 0-1 Harry McNeil, 1-1 Cursham, 2-1 Weir or Ker
    best players: Jessop / H McNeil, Campbell

    FA Cup 3rd round replay, Wanderers - Barnes 4-1, 26.1.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    Goals: Wollaston, Wylie, Kinnaird, Green / Weston
    best players:

    Sheffield-Glasgow 2-4, 9.2.1878, Sheffield, Bramall Lane, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: 0-1 McNeil, 0-2 Britten, 0-3 Campbell, 1-3 Cursham, 2-3 Cursham, 2-4 M McNeil
    best players:
    The seriousness with which Glasgow approached this fixture is revealed in the fact that 60 players from 15 clubs took part in trials before the team was selected. Sheffield were now criticised by their own press for passing too much.
    The lineups are here:
    http://gottfriedfuchs.blogspot.com/2014/02/sheffield-v-glasgow-1870s.html
    However, according to http://www.qphistory.com James Phillips, David Davidson, Willie McKinnon, Jimmy Weir and Harry McNeil played in the Glasgow side.

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Royal Engineers – Oxford University 3-3, 15.2.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    Goals: Hedley 2, Barker / Roberts 2, Alington
    best players:

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Wanderers – Sheffield FC 3-0, 16.2.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    Goals: Wylie, Wace, Denton
    best players: Wylie, Wace, Kinnaird, Lindsay

    FA Cup Quarter-final replay, Royal Engineers – Oxford University 2-2, 27.2.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    Goals: Otter 2 / Bond, Hayes
    best players:

    SCO-ENG 7-2, 2.3.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 10,000
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1877-78/M0007Sco1878.html
    https://eu-football.info/_match.php?id=4323
    goals: 1-0 McDougall (7), 2-0 McGregor (32), 3-0 McNeil (39), 4-0 McDougall (41), 5-0 McDougall (46), 6-0 MacKinnon (62), 6-1 Wylie (65), 7-1 McNeil (70), 7-2 Cursham (75)
    best players: H McNeil

    FA Cup Quarter-final 2nd replay, Royal Engineers – Oxford University 4-2, 12.3.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals: Barnet, Bond, Ruck, ? / Crowdy, ?
    best players:

    FA Cup Semi-final, Royal Engineers - Old Harrovians 2-1, 16.3.1878, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals: Barnet, Mayne / Prior
    best players:

    Queen’s Park- Vale of Leven 2-0, 16.3.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 12,000
    goals: Ker, McPherson (o.g.)
    best players:
    Some 12,000 spectators attended the match – an enormous crowd for the time. Despite being without goalkeeper John Dickson who had been confined to his house with a serious illness, Queen’s Park had a comfortable 2-0 win.

    Scottish Cup Semi-final 2nd replay, 3rd Lanark- Renton 1-0, 16.3.1878, Glasgow
    goals:
    best players:

    FA Cup Final, Wanderers - Royal Engineers 3-1, 23.3.1878, The Oval, Attendance: 4,500
    Goals: Kenrick 1-0 15', 1-1 Morris 20' , 2-1 Kinnaird 35', Kenrick 3-1 65',
    best players:
    Under the original rules of the competition, the Cup is retired and presented to the club on a permanent basis to mark their third straight win, but the Wanderers return the Cup to the Football Association on the condition that it never again be won outright by any club.

    SCO-WAL 9-0, 23.3.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 6,000
    https://eu-football.info/_match.php?id=4322
    goals: 1-0 P.Campbell (4), 2-0 Weir (15), 3-0 P.Campbell (18), 4-0 Baird (37), 5-0 Ferguson (38), 6-0 Weir (42), 7-0 Ferguson (50), 8-0 Watson (60), 9-0 Lang (70)
    best players:

    Scottish Cup Final, Vale of Leven-3rd Lanark 1-0, 30.3.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: McDougall 65'
    best players: McIntyre, McLintock, Baird /
    Vale of Leven, who needed replays to overcome Dumbarton and Rangers, retains the Scottish Cup.

    Wanderers – Vale of Leven 1-3, 13.4.1878, The Oval, Attendance: 2,000
    Goals: Wollaston / Ferguson 3
    best players: / McIntyre, McLintock
    Vale of Leven beats a weakened Wanderers side in heavy rain, a victory of the passing game over individual dribbling. Mostly goal-keeping errors are the reason for Wanderes’s defeat.

    Charity Cup Final, Queen's Park- Vale of Leven 1-0, 4.5.1878, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 3,000
    goals:
    best players:


    Newspaper sources: Bell's Life, London Evening Standard, Morning Post, Sheffield Daily Telegraph, Sheffield Independent, Yorkshire Post, Dundee Evening Telegraph, Edinburgh Evening News, Glasgow Herald.

    Sources are from the British Newspaper Archive, managed by the British Library Board.
     
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  3. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Suggested best XI 1877-78 (2-2-6):

    Gardner - McIntyre, Kinnaird - C Campbell, Jarrett - Wylie, McDougall, Highet, W MacKinnon, H McNeil, Mosforth.
     
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  4. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are my suggestions for the nominees for this season.

    23 Man Shortlist


    Baird, John SCO Vale of Leven
    Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park
    Campbell, Peter SCO Rangers
    Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County
    Ferguson, John SCO Vale of Leven
    Gardner, Robert SCO Clydesdale
    Highet, Thomas SCO Queen's Park
    Jarrett, Beaumont ENG Cambridge University
    Kennedy, Alexander SCO 3rd Lanark
    Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Wanderers
    Lang, James SCO 3rd Lanark
    MacKinnon, William SCO Queen's Park
    McDougall, John SCO Vale of Leven
    McGregor, John SCO Vale of Leven
    McIntyre, Andrew SCO Vale of Leven
    McLintock, Alexander SCO Vale of Leven
    McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park
    Mosforth, William ENG The Wednesday
    Neill, Robert SCO Queen's Park
    Phillips, James SCO Queen's Park
    Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers
    Weir, James SCO Queen's Park
    Wylie, John ENG Wanderers

    Top3
    1. McNeil, Harry
    best player and 2 goals against ENG

    2. Campbell, Charles
    captain of Scotland and Queen's Park

    3. McDougall, John
    SCO Cup, scores a hat-trick against England

    Team of the Season (2-2-6):
    Gardner - McIntyre, Kinnaird - C Campbell, Jarrett - Wylie, McDougall, Highet, W MacKinnon, H McNeil, Mosforth.
     
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  5. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    A good list. 18 of the 23 are Scottish-based but there is no arguing with the results. There is also Kinnaird who had represented Scotland.
     
  6. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    The final results for the season are the same as in post #4.
     

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