Best chance creators of each World Cup 1966-2010

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by PuckVanHeel, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. Once

    Once Member+

    Apr 16, 2011
    Goal Assist
    The final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball scoring a goal.
    Second Assist/Key Pass
    A pass/cross that is instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity, for example a corner or free-kick to a player who then assists an attempt, a chance-creating through ball or cross into a dangerous position.
    Key Pass
    The final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring.
    Chances Created
    Assists plus Key passes.

    It should count as one imo. But from this up here it seems to me that "chances created" is assists + key passes, not including second assists/passes... Am I confused?

    Brilliant.
     
  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
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    Maybe I'm confused!

    I derive from the glossary that both the final pass and (some) second-last pass to a goalscoring attempt counts as a 'key pass' (automatically also as created chance; created chance = key passes + assists).

    In other sports a 'second assist' is the second last pass leading to a goal (or goalscoring attempt in this case).

    So both Gerson and Pelé created a chance in the lead-up to the goal you cited above.


    Can't look in their logbook of course but I think both Gerson and Pelé received a '+1' in their chances created stat.

    I had a conversation with PDG about Deyna (also talking about how well he played) but this also explains why Deyna does so well in this stat despite often passing from a deep position: pre-assists (and pre-assists not converted by the attackers) also count as created chance. For example: Deyna passes to the pacey players like Lato or Gadocha who then in turn make a cross.
     
  3. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    I think not only you (confused) but even the whole crew who did the stats for Castrol also were!

    Assist is clear (the final pass to the scorer) but the weigh (point) to count it is always debatable i.e. some assists might be worthy at least 2points = 1goal and some could be less than 1 point ...

    Creating chances is a vague term. SOme are valuable and some are more like LUCKY or "random" pass/cross in to the danger zone or open zone.

    Let's take the game earlier UCL final Bayern vs Dormund as example. I am sure later on many would only remember Manzukic and Robben were both scorer *obviously recorded! But the main "creator" behind was no one else but Riberry.
    1st goal, he drew 2,3 DF together and made a nice split pass that Robben ran into ... and (ouff he mistiming and overan passed the GK) he finally made a cross into the area. Mazukic was a LUCKY dude to tap in after Dormund's DF committed a bad clearance.

    2nd goal, Dante made kinda random long cross into the area, Ribbery brilliantly back heeled to Robben scroing the winner.
     
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  4. PuckVanHeel

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    James, many saw Robben as MotM (including the whoscored parameters) and he is not exactly a likable person. But anyway, that is not the main point.

    If I'm correct, Ribery got on both goals a +1 in chances created. The first goal was a pre-assist (a key pass) of him and the second one a assist.


    Anyway, regarding how the game has changed (also the famed France teams of the 80s do not end high in the 'passes per 90 minutes' list), this is a good documentary.



    Although it might also be the case that preferences have changed as well, that making a lot of passes wasn't seen as a pinnacle of skill in earlier times (as said earlier).
     
  5. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    yeah it's not the point that whois the MoM - and I agree Robben to be one (well he scored the valuable winning goal and made an assist for 1st goal)
    my point was ( regarding the creation) that years later many would easily locate this
    Bayern Munich's Arjen Robben nets winner against Borussia Dortmund


    but likely to forget who was the creator behind ... or unless .. Ribbery was a Zidane or a "Beckham"

    Last bold... totally agree with you. As I also made comment of that when compared Brazil70 to Spain10-12 . Spain (and Barca) were true "pass masters" and dominate the games with their pass number and possession %, but result sometime stay on the other side of the horizon.

    Look at the UCL last 8-10games, almost all winners had less possession % and less pass in number


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  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

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    I looked for some examples of players who are in the top 10 (except players of Spain 2010). It are compilations of actual World Cup games in the year they made the top 10 as stated above - with the full list posted on the previous page.









    Do not expect that people watch all but provides a good impression (despite that not of all games a compilation exists).
     
  7. Twenty26Six

    Twenty26Six Feeling Sheepish...

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  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

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    Below is for the 2014 World Cup. Before this, I re-quote a part of a previous post from this thread as brief reminder.

    Source is the OPTA data.

    For the conditions applied (minimum 5 chances, minimum 2 games), see the first post of this thread.

    2014 World Cup

    G. Ramirez (URU) 8.82 [51]
    Willian (BRA) 4.39 [164]
    Pjanic (BIH) 4.00 [270]
    Shaqiri (SUI) 3.96 [386]
    A. Song (CMR) 3.84 [117]
    De Bruyne (BEL) 3.69 [390]
    Mirallas (BEL) 3.63 [223]
    D. Silva (ESP) 3.54 [178]
    Muntari (GHA) 3.50 [180]
    Moutinho (POR) 3.33 [270]
    Y. Touré (CIV) 3.33 [270]
    Valbuena (FRA) 3.25 [332]
    M. Veloso (POR) 3.20 [225]
    Hazard (BEL) 3.15 [371]
    Assou-Ekotto (CMR) 3.00 [180]
    Iniesta (ESP) 3.00 [180]
    Messi (ARG) 2.97 [697]
    H. Herrera (MEX) 2.87 [345]
    Dejagah (IRN) 2.76 [228]
    Benzema (FRA) 2.60 [450]
    Neymar (BRA) 2.54 [461]
    Baines (ENG) 2.50 [180]
    G. Johnson (ENG) 2.50 [180]
    J. Rodriguez (COL) 2.48 [399]
    Gago (ARG) 2.40 [375]
    Hasebe (JPN) 2.39 [188]
    Brahimi (ALG) 2.38 [189]
    Di Maria (ARG) 2.35 [422]
    Ozil (GER) 2.35 [651]
    Faizulin (RUS) 2.33 [270]
    Honda (JPN) 2.33 [270]
    Rooney (ENG) 2.31 [195]
    Moukandjo (CMR) 2.28 [237]
    Atsu (NGA) 2.27 [238]
    Emenike (NGA) 2.25 [360]
    Muller (GER) 2.25 [681]
    Garcia (HON) 2.23 [202]
    Kagawa (JPN) 2.22 [203]
    Robben (NED) 2.18 [701]
    Bolanos (CRC) 2.15 [418]
    Griezmann (FRA) 2.11 [299]
    Inler (SUI) 2.08 [390]
    Sissoko (FRA) 2.05 [219]
    Asamoah (GHA) 2.00 [270]
    Kombarov (RUS) 2.00 [270]
    Nagatomo (JPN) 2.00 [270]
    Montero (COL) 1.97 [228]
    Cuadrado (COL) 1.88 [384]
    Lee Chung-Yong (KOR) 1.85 [243]
    Kroos (GER) 1.83 [690]
    Drmic (SUI) 1.81 [249]
    Samaras (GRE) 1.81 [398]
    Mikel (NGA) 1.75 [360]
    Perisic (CRO) 1.75 [257]
    Zusi (USA) 1.74 [258]
    Mertens (BEL) 1.68 [268]
    Gyan (GHA) 1.67 [270]
    Leckie (AUS) 1.67 [270]
    Modric (CRO) 1.67 [270]
    Nani (POR) 1.67 [270]
    Sung-Yueng (KOR) 1.67 [270]
    Samedov (RUS) 1.67 [269]
    Sneijder (NED) 1.66 [595]
    Alderweireld (BEL) 1.62 [390]
    Ruiz (CRC) 1.60 [506]
    Alexis Sanchez (CHI) 1.59 [397]
    Marcelo (BRA) 1.56 [577]
    Lavezzi (ARG) 1.52 [355]
    Peralta (MEX) 1.51 [298]
    Ambrose (NGA) 1.50 [360]
    Evra (FRA) 1.50 [360]
    Dempsey (USA) 1.40 [386]
    Xhaka (SUI) 1.40 [321]
    Feghouli (ALG) 1.38 [390]
    R. Rodriguez (SUI) 1.38 [390]
    Guardado (MEX) 1.36 [331]
    Rojo (ARG) 1.31 [620]
    Oscar (BRA) 1.27 [638]
    Pogba (FRA) 1.27 [354]
    Layun (MEX) 1.25 [360]
    Janmaat (NED) 1.21 [371]
    Khedira (GER) 1.20 [375]
    Vertonghen (BEL) 1.20 [450]
    Jones (USA) 1.15 [390]
    Holebas (GRE) 1.13 [398]
    Hulk (BRA) 1.12 [401]
    Blind (NED) 1.06 [680]
    Matuidi (FRA) 1.06 [426]
    Lahm (GER) 1.04 [690]
    Gustavo (BRA) 1.02 [532]
    Mascherano (ARG) 0.99 [725]
    Higuain (ARG) 0.94 [569]
    Schweinsteiger (GER) 0.89 [504]
    Borges (CRC) 0.88 [511]
     
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  9. PuckVanHeel

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    #84 PuckVanHeel, Sep 15, 2014
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2014
    Updated these old posts too (series of posts started at the link below):
    http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads...ld-cup-1966-2010.1984730/page-2#post-27516299


    Shot accuracy 1998 - 2014 ( 32 teams era, minimum 3 goals)

    100% Tomasson 2002 – 4 goals (5 shots)
    90.0% Robben 2014 - 3 goals (19 shots)
    89.0% Rodriguez 2014 - 6 goals (16 shots)
    87.5% Villa 2006 – 3 goals (8 shots)
    84.6% Higuain 2010 – 4 goals (13 shots)
    83.3% Crespo 2006 – 3 goals (6 shots)
    82.0% Schurrle 2014 - 3 goals (15 shots)
    80.0% Van Persie 2014 - 4 goals (16 shots)
    76.9% Luis Hernandez 1998 – 4 goals (13 shots)
    71.4% Bebeto 1998 – 3 goals (7 shots)
    69.2% Morientes 2002 – 3 goals (13 shots)
    68.0% Benzema 2014 - 3 goals (31 shots)
    67.9% Ronaldo 2002 – 8 goals (28 shots)
    66.7% Salas 1998 – 4 goals (9 shots)
    66.7% Henry 2006 – 3 goals (18 shots)
    66.7% Klinsmann 1998 – 3 goals (6 shots)
    65.2% Suarez 2010 – 3 goals
    64.3% Vieri 1998 – 5 goals
    64.0% Neymar 2014 - 4 goals
    63.6% Klose 2010 – 4 goals
    63.6% Raul 2002 – 3 goals
    63.0% E. Valencia 2014 - 3 goals
    62.5% Larsson 2002 – 3 goals
    62.0% Shaqiri 2014 - 3 goals
    60.0% Müller 2010 – 5 goals
    60.0% Vittek 2010 – 4 goals
    60.0% Cesar Sampaio 1998 – 3 goals
    59.1% Forlan 2010 – 5 goals
    57.1% Ronaldo 2006 – 3 goals
    57.0% Müller 2014 - 5 goals
    54.5% Diop 2002 – 3 goals
    53.8% Henry 1998 – 3 goals
    52.6% Sneijder 2010 – 5 goals
    52.6% Bergkamp 1998 – 3 goals
    52.4% Klose 2006 – 5 goals
    52.2% Vieri 2002 – 4 goals
    52.0% Villa 2010 – 5 goals
    50.0% Rivaldo 2002 – 5 goals
    50.0% Ronaldo 1998 – 4 goals
    47.4% Podolski 2006 – 3 goals
    46.7% Rivaldo 1998 – 3 goals
    46.2% Wilmots 2002 – 3 goals
    44.4% Klose 2002 – 5 goals
    44.4% Luis Fabiano 2010 – 3 goals
    44.4% Maxi Rodriguez 2006 – 3 goals
    44.4% Zidane 2006 – 3 goals
    42.9% Donovan 2010 – 3 goals
    40.0% Messi 2014 - 4 goals
    38.5% Bierhoff 1998 – 3 goals
    37.9% Suker 1998 – 6 goals
    37.5% Keane 2002 – 3 goals
    36.4% Mansiz 2002 – 3 goals
    36.4% Torres 2006 – 3 goals
    35.7% Pauleta 2002 – 3 goals
    33.3% Gyan 2010 – 3 goals
    31.6% Batistuta 1998 – 5 goals
    31.6% Ballack 2002 – 3 goals


    1998 - 2014 ( 32 teams era ) - shot accuracy with minimum of 10 shots (more than 15 in boldface)

    90.0% Robben 2014 - 3 goals (19 shots)
    89.0% Rodriguez 2014 - 6 goals (16 shots)

    84.6% Higuain 2010 – 4 goals (13 shots)
    82.0% Schurrle 2014 - 3 goals (15 shots)
    80.0% Van Persie 2014 - 4 goals (16 shots)

    76.9% Luis Hernandez 1998 – 4 goals (13 shots)
    69.2% Morientes 2002 – 3 goals (13 shots)
    68.0% Benzema 2014 - 3 goals (31 shots)
    67.9% Ronaldo 2002 – 8 goals (28 shots)
    66.7% Henry 2006 – 3 goals (18 shots)
    65.2% Suarez 2010 – 3 goals (23 shots)

    64.3% Vieri 1998 – 5 goals (14 shots)
    64.0% Neymar 2014 - 4 goals (18 shots)
    63.6% Klose 2010 – 4 goals (13 shots)
    63.6% Raul 2002 – 3 goals (13 shots)
    63.0% E. Valencia 2014 - 3 goals (8 shots [sic])
    62.0% Shaqiri 2014 - 3 goals (20 shots)
    60.0% Müller 2010 – 5 goals (10 shots)
    60.0% Vittek 2010 – 4 goals (10 shots)
    59.1% Forlan 2010 – 5 goals (21 shots)
    57.1% Ronaldo 2006 – 3 goals (14 shots)
    57.0% Müller 2014 - 5 goals (16 shots)
    54.5% Diop 2002 – 3 goals (11 shots)
    53.8% Henry 1998 – 3 goals (13 shots)
    52.6% Sneijder 2010 – 5 goals (19 shots)
    52.6% Bergkamp 1998 – 3 goals (19 shots)
    52.4% Klose 2006 – 5 goals (21 shots)
    52.2% Vieri 2002 – 4 goals (23 shots)
    52.0% Villa 2010 – 5 goals (25 shots)
    50.0% Rivaldo 2002 – 5 goals (22 shots)
    50.0% Ronaldo 1998 – 4 goals (20 shots)
    40.0% Messi 2014 - 4 goals (23 shots)
     
  10. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

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    Thanks @PuckVanHeel

    Nice job. Are you sure about this though as Lionel Messi isn't first in any list...?
     
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  11. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    This is again very misleading STATS (shot accuracy % counted by OPTA) FLAW:
    It's not about how many shots "on goal" *as they did, is important but

    1- how many goals/shots as end result

    - who cares if player A shot 19/20 on target (95%) but only ONE GOAL ended up in the net!
    - now compared to player B with 10 shots on target (50%) but 5goals are result. = FLAW 1

    2- The % could favor a "shot on target" but eitehr straight at the GK or mucless power > a "close miss" within 1 feet off post but more wicked power = FLAW 2
     
  12. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Jun 11, 2012
    where is dragan stoikovic?
    one would expect him to have created plenty in 1998, let alone 1990.
     
  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

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    He's in both lists - see the 2nd page.
     
  14. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Jun 11, 2012
    thank you.
    i searched with "i" instead of "j"
     
  15. Di Pecruydona

    Di Pecruydona Member

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    sorry guys, but where can i find the OPTA stats for all the tournaments since 1966?
     
  16. PDG1978

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    There used to be a widget available on OPTA's website but not any more, so maybe what you can find on Big Soccer posts is your best source now.
     
  17. Di Pecruydona

    Di Pecruydona Member

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    Too bad. :(
    I was looking for the full stats, but there's this chart with players from the top 4 teams of each tournament, which is sufficient i think.:thumbsup:
     
  18. Baron Zbimg

    Baron Zbimg Member

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    I'm incredibly late on this party, but would you have the numbers for 2014 as well?

    Thank you for the awesome information
     
  19. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    I think post 83 has what you ask for actually mate doesn't it?
     
  20. Baron Zbimg

    Baron Zbimg Member

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    It does indeed. Sorry for the useless question. And thank you for the answer.
     
  21. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    That's ok. I hope my answer didn't make it seem like I implied it was a useless question (sometimes things aren't easily translatable in terms of sarcastic/friendly tone maybe - although I guess I thought adding 'mate' might help lol). I've asked more useless ones before I'm sure anyway, and you'd have had a lot of posts to search through to find that one anyway.

    Just thought as Puck seemed less active yesterday and I could see his relevant post I'd point you towards it.
     
  22. Baron Zbimg

    Baron Zbimg Member

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    No problem at all. This thread, and this forum in general is just a goldmine. So may amazing posts and posters.

    Do you know if there's a ranking of chance created in volume per World Cup? Obviously players playing for teams that did well will score better but I'd be super interested in this as well.
     
  23. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    It might be a matter of calculating it from the data on this thread (possibly needing to research minutes played, using a website like everyfourthyear.com maybe).

    But there's also this thread (chances created being one sub-category on it, and shown in column AL of the spreadsheet linked in post 1 on page 1 for various notable players but not all - Gregoriak then picked out the top performers in various categories including chances created on the thread and added to what Puck put on this thread it can help probably):
    http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/world-cup-individual-advanced-stats.1979881/page-11
     
  24. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

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  25. Baron Zbimg

    Baron Zbimg Member

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    Thanks you guys!
     

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