Bend it like a Brazilian?

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Riotom9, May 3, 2003.

  1. Riotom9

    Riotom9 Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    Texas
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/frank_deford/news/2003/04/30/viewpoint/

    Am I the only one getting tired of hearing the English (speaking) press talk up Beckham and the most famous athlete on the most famous and best team in the world - and the best there has ever been at the art of the free kick?

    I would say that at any one time, there are 2-3 Brazilian players that rival his skill. Granted, they don't have some of the all around game he might have or certainly play in such high profile matches as often. But Rivaldo and Ronaldinho have scored many amazing goals on a consistent basis from the spot. They have never generally relied on these skills as a method to win the game, as it appears Beckham fans do.

    Not that Brasil truly needs any more press, and some fanfare for the quality of players of other nationalities is a good thing. But they write like he invented the art instead of just being a part of a perfect marketing vehicle. I'm not trying to take away from his talent - he may be the current best in the world these last 2 years - but I'd put several players up against him.

    To me the dead ball specialists have long been the latinos. The average quality of the kicks in the Brasileiro or Clausura far surpass the average chances in the EPL. You have players that are virtually unknown turning in fantastic shots on a weekly basis - just never against Real Madrid in the CL.

    I will agree to the articles that there has never been a player that has been as famous for doing just one thing. But I think it's a little sad to forget the true pioneers and innovators like Didi, that didn't have the marketing and broadcasting powers that be, annoint him as 'the greatest free-kick specialist of all time'. I guess Bend it like a Banana just doesn't have the same ring to it.

    http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Park/8885/Didi.htm
     
  2. Riotom9

    Riotom9 Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    Texas
  3. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Zico was just as good as Beckham on freekicks and to boot Zico was a MUCH better overall player. Zico is in a class of his own, just below Pele.
     
  4. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    While I agree on the part related to the "inventors" (the 'folha seca' is old as hell) I give Beckham the edge in what you rightfully said:
    "there has never been a player that has been as famous for doing just one thing" actually he defies the laws of physics with his comba (I've read an interesting article by a famous expert but I just cant find it) and he just scores incredible goals in high profile matches as you point out, he deserves the applauses but not that much :D
     
  5. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    Give Beckham his due, he's very good at it, but he's not even the best at it today.

    Marcelinho Carioca has much more variety to his frees, and his shots are much more unpredictable for goalies. Van Hodjoiink (excuse the spelling) and Marcos Assuncao are also more dangerous from frees. To win a game, I'd rather have one of those three with the shot.

    There are so many from the past you can't count: Zico as already posted, Platini, Eder, Nelinho, Bonhoff......Can't blame Becks for all the attention he gets, but it is annoying.
     
  6. Tecos

    Tecos Member+

    Apr 8, 2003
    Chicago
    Club:
    Tecos UA de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Beckham is certainly not the best player in the world. His game at times borders on one dimensional.
     
  7. anderson

    anderson Member+

    Feb 28, 2002
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Along those lines...

    The April 28, 2003 Soccer America has a short piece about the way that the Players Development Academy (PDA) in NJ names its youth teams. They name their teams after famous players - e.g., U-13 PDA Socrates, U-14 PDA Viera, U-15 PDA Cantona, U-18 PDA Platini, etc.

    The U-10 PDA Pele was renamed the U-10 PDA Beckham, apparently because "coach Martyn Rushmore, a big Manchester United fan, convinced [coaching director] McKeown that Beckham was a player that the U-10s could identify with."

    It's interesting that they changed from Pele to Beckham, but I suppose they have something of a point. Becks and ManU are on TV from time to time (FSW, most Fox Sports Nets, YES, etc.), whereas Pele isn't. Oh well.
     
  8. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    I don't think anyone, not even the most hard core Man U supporter, would argue that Beckham is the best player in the world.

    However, you can't argue that he is the most famous player on the most famous club in the world.
     
  9. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    Re: Along those lines...

    Yes, further proof of the "dumbing-down" of America's youth.
     
  10. Tecos

    Tecos Member+

    Apr 8, 2003
    Chicago
    Club:
    Tecos UA de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    Well as for most famous club in the world, you could argue for Real Madrid as well.
     
  11. Riotom9

    Riotom9 Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    Texas

    Well, it was only in 1998 that Ronaldo was the king of the football world. Yes, Ronaldo dropped off the radar screen for 2000-2002, but he came back with a vengence. You can't even begin to compare the publicity Ronaldo gets to Beckham - outside of England and the USA. You telling me that Beckham's performance in Japan/Korea helped make him more famous than Ronaldo's??

    Whatever the truth, I guess it reminds me of the USA and our 'world champions' mentality. Just because Michael Jordan is the most famous athlete in our country, doesn't automatically make him the most famous athlete on the planet - and that gets tossed around a lot. I just think the British papers writing about him every single day and made people believe that the rest of the world does also...
     
  12. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    Ronaldo vs Beckham (RE: the most famous athlete on the planet) is a tough decision, marketing work fabulous for both of them!
     
  13. Elder Statesman

    Mar 29, 2002
    Central Park South,
    Beckham isn't even close to being one of the best players in the game. However, he is the best in the world at taking free kicks. In terms of popularity. Ronaldho is more popular in Latin America. In Africa its close. In Asia, US, Australia and India Beckam is more popular.
     
  14. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    No, he is not. He is one of the best.
     
  15. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Guess I can respond to both posts at once.

    I would argue that right now, because of its marketing might, ManUre is the most famous club in the world. Look at it this way. Most people who recognize Real Madrid will most likely recognize ManUre.
    However, you look at South East Asia, especiallyy where there is a strong British influence, ManUre is the beginning and end of soccer.
    Real Madrid, as rich and successful as they are, trails behind Manure in worldwide appeal.

    So no, the performance at the world cup had nothing to do with Ronaldo's or Beckham's fame. Ronaldo's fame hasn't diminished at all - it's just that being with ManUre (and to some extent, England) helped Beckham reach a winder audience.
     
  16. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    I agree skip!
     
  17. slipknotter

    slipknotter New Member

    May 31, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Who can forget Roberto Carlos' magics? A friendly against France in 1996 where he blasted one that bent right after the wall. The 'keeper didn't even move. I haven't followed Real lately, but it doesn't seem like he can quite make those anymore. Chilavert and Sao Paulo's Rogerio Ceni are two keepers that distinguish themselves by being excellent free kickers. I can't remember in any instance that it backfired and they got scored on.
     
  18. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    Didn't Ceni get scored on by Roger of Flu two years or so ago, on the re-start precisely after having scored on a free? I'm almost positive.

    Am I not going to get an 'amen' on Marcelinho Carioca scoring the most spectacular free-kicks on a consitent basis? Do you guys remember one he had in Brasileiro '99 when he shot from 30 out, starting from left side of field, the ball kept bencing right, on a rope, into the far upper-90! He had another ridiculous one this season.

    Miljatovic (spelling) of Lazio is the other guy who went through a three year spell where every kick, from any distance and position, was venemous.
     
  19. slipknotter

    slipknotter New Member

    May 31, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Amen on Marcelinho. He was the king in the mid 90s. I can't remember how many tens of goals I saw him make from a free kick right from the 18-yd. box line.
     
  20. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    It was in the "Mini WC" just before France, it was in 1998, totally awesome!
     
  21. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    Sinisa Mihjailovic, he used to be a complete threat infront of goal!


    Ohh and Chilavert used to score even since the midfield line!
     
  22. Kaiser

    Kaiser New Member

    Nov 12, 2000
    dark side of the moo
    Oh cut me a break Mathis and also Etcheverry of a few years ago, just as dangerous on the Free as Becks.
     

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