News: Bas Dost & Vincent Janssen

Brilliant Dutch · Nov 3, 2016

It looks he cant cut it at Spurs as a striker, they're gonna have to convert him into a Kuijt-type midfielder

Frysk Bloed · Nov 3, 2016

The weird thing is if you watch Janssen in his games with the Spurs he does look quite dangerous. Watch him with teh NT and it's the same -- he's always dangerous and doing well. Maybe Pochettino's system just doesn't work well for him. Maybe he's just unlucky. I've seen him take quite a few chances in the PL and Europa that he just missed, or were just a tad too slow. Generally he's pretty decently clinical so maybe he's just lacking in confidence.

Either way it's too early to give up on him. I still think Tottenham was always a poor choice for him given there was no way he was going to usurp Kane even if he were better. He should have gone to a mid-table team where he could have been the undisputed #1. Though most young players make this mistake and, IMO, it stagnates their development. Not that he hasn't had some good opportunity with Spurs, but there's too much pressure there for him to perform or he'll get benched. If that makes sense.

Gilbertsson · Nov 3, 2016

Frysk Bloed said: ↑

The weird thing is if you watch Janssen in his games with the Spurs he does look quite dangerous. Watch him with teh NT and it's the same -- he's always dangerous and doing well. Maybe Pochettino's system just doesn't work well for him. Maybe he's just unlucky. I've seen him take quite a few chances in the PL and Europa that he just missed, or were just a tad too slow. Generally he's pretty decently clinical so maybe he's just lacking in confidence.

Either way it's too early to give up on him. I still think Tottenham was always a poor choice for him given there was no way he was going to usurp Kane even if he were better. He should have gone to a mid-table team where he could have been the undisputed #1. Though most young players make this mistake and, IMO, it stagnates their development. Not that he hasn't had some good opportunity with Spurs, but there's too much pressure there for him to perform or he'll get benched. If that makes sense.
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Experienced football viewers / experts notice your observation in a minute. The problem is because Pochettino is very appreciated as coach, so no one brings his decisions out. For sure, this defeat against Leverkusen will shake things. Dutch players are the rare ones, that could play in England, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Italy on a high level. I think that Spanish league suits better for Janssen.

Brilliant Dutch · Nov 3, 2016

Frysk Bloed said: ↑

The weird thing is if you watch Janssen in his games with the Spurs he does look quite dangerous. Watch him with teh NT and it's the same -- he's always dangerous and doing well. Maybe Pochettino's system just doesn't work well for him. Maybe he's just unlucky. I've seen him take quite a few chances in the PL and Europa that he just missed, or were just a tad too slow. Generally he's pretty decently clinical so maybe he's just lacking in confidence
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Its the finishing that counts. In the higher leagues your reaction level has to be 10X faster than the Dutch league. If you dont have that same killer finish you wont succeed (see Kezman)

Brilliant Dutch · Nov 6, 2016

Wimmer has more open field goals than Janssen.....LOL

Orange14 · Nov 6, 2016

Brilliant Dutch said: ↑

Wimmer has more open field goals than Janssen.....LOL
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...and it was truly a wonderful header!!!

Gilbertsson · Nov 20, 2016

Bas Dost Spectacular Evening, 9th, 68th minutes. Amazing goals.

Atitude Maxima

Gilbertsson · Nov 22, 2016

Bas Dost & Vincent Janssen played excellent for their teams in the Champions League. Janssen should be in the first squad. They left him out until 65th minute. Major reason why Tottenham lost that match.

Gilbertsson · Dec 15, 2016

Bas Dost goal against Benfica.

Gilbertsson · Dec 28, 2016

This thread is not developing too much. I used universal trick and wrote about these to players to see how readers react. It started solid when I started, but now it is not good. Obviously it is hard to create the atmosphere around weaker players who are mostly unknown to the media.

Only 2397 views.

curbo · Dec 28, 2016

Gilbertsson said: ↑

This thread is not developing too much. I used universal trick and wrote about these to players to see how readers react. It started solid when I started, but now it is not good. Obviously it is hard to create the atmosphere around weaker players who are mostly unknown to the media.

Only 2397 views.
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The thread is limited to 2 players, and this threads activity will correlate to their good and relevent performances. Neither of them are unknown to the media.

What do you mean with you used an universal trick and wrote about these players to see how readers react? What were you interested in finding out or learning about?

Gilbertsson · Dec 28, 2016

I wanted to see, are player who are not so present in media attractive enough for forum users in further discussion. My conclusion is that media generate strong foundation for every player. That's why we see so many written pages about Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Griezmann...
For example, there are so many words about Goetze, Lewandowski. I think that they are not so great with football skills, so that they need to be in media constantly.
That's why I wanted to see the reactions about Dost and Janssen. Dost is good with his headers and physical ability, Janssen is talented. But they don't attract people on forum pages. I provided a lot of infos about them, videos, photos, but still pretty average written reactions.
It will be interesting to observe their future and influence, especially in the Dutch team. I don't follow Tottenham so much.

This thread exists since 13th October and still it can't attract more than 3 000 views. I hoped to see 5 000 - 10 000 views.

Football players depend on media writings, analytical approach, when people see website headlines, they open and read, even though it's not relevant, not written well and without any conclusion. Forums can't attract so many views.

For example, Jozy Altidore has closely to 8 000 views on this same Netherlands sub-forum. But he was present constantly in media, especially in his country. He plays in Toronto. Another proof, how media generate someone's popularity.

Has anyone noticed that Virgil Van Dijk, Daley Blind scored against Tottenham and Sunderland? Websites mostly mention Depay and he doesn't score often, only two goals in Manchester United.

Bas Dost scored against Belenenses in 90th minute and no one has mentioned this here.

Orange14 · Dec 29, 2016

We have seen enough of Bas Dost over the years to come to the conclusion that he is only useful to the NT as a pinch hitter in much the same way as Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink was several years ago. He is not the kind of player who can create goals and certainly is no where in the league of Robert Lewandowski who is truly a creative forward.

The jury is out on Vincent Janssen. He is still very young and maybe he made the wrong career choice in moving to Tottenham; we won't know that for another couple of years.

Both van Dijk and Daley Blind have been written about a lot in this forum and everyone recognizes their role on the NT.

I think the reason you are not seeing lots of page views here is because we all know about Dost and Janssen and your posts, while interesting are not changing anyone's mind.

2nd_striker · Dec 31, 2016

Janssen moving to spurs was dangerous, as youve got Harry Kane (the second best English striker) there and they play 4-5-1, so automatically you are back up. Plus janssen isnt the quickest and he wont see many minutes. His best hope for the remainder of the season is that pochettino pkays him in the cup competitions and they have a decent run. Ive spoken to lost of Spurs fans who think that janssen is a good player and works hard, he just needs a goal from open play

Gilbertsson · Jan 15, 2017

Bas Dost scored two goals against Chaves.

BaritoPutra · Jan 15, 2017

I always thought that Spurs purchased Janssen as the insurance policy when/if Kane moves on. Obviously as long as Kane around, Janssen would be the second option. May not be a bad situation... it gives Janssen some time to acclimate without the added pressure. His job is a stand-in cameo this season, but I think next year he should/will be ready to take on more duties. In a few times that I saw him playing, I thought Janssen was pretty useful. His movement is quite positive, and his hold-up play is a great asset as it invites his teammates to play. He plays with confidence and he works extremely hard. The Spurs fan appreciate this fact. Let's see where he ends up next season, this season is pretty a dress rehearsal for him....

2nd_striker · Jan 16, 2017

He is but the longer he goes without goals the worse it will become for janssen in england. Over here the media is focused on goals, if janssen got 50 assists they would still comment on the lack of goals. Kane wont be moving unless someone finds over £60 million and kane wants to leave. When he played against aston villa in the cup a few weeks ago the press liked his effort but commented on the movement stating that he wasnt putting himself in positions where he was likely to score, too involved in build up and not on the last man enough. Pochettino needs to help by giving him time. When kane come off at the weekend he didnt put janssen in and he wasnt even on the bench

Mr.S · Mar 19, 2017

He was certainly right about Dost ! Dost is on absolute fire !

Maybe Vincent will rise up in the future too !

Brilliant Dutch · Mar 19, 2017

Janssen should move to Lyon and team up with Depay.
French league would be perfect for him IMO

Gilbertsson · Mar 20, 2017

Bas Dost scored two goals against Nacional. Maybe people will notice him if he starts to score three goals per match, instead of these modest two.

Brilliant Dutch · Mar 20, 2017

Gilbert, Dost is a good striker but he's not world class.
Add to that he's 27 and in his prime right now, plus he's playing in a relatively average European league. I believe this overinflates his numbers somewhat

Mr.S · Mar 21, 2017

Can we all give Gilbertsson credit for being a visionary! All hail Gil !

Brilliant Dutch · Mar 24, 2017

Looks like Janssen will be sent back to NL with very little financial loss for Spurs:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-ready-sell-flop-vincent-10093505

Brilliant Dutch · Apr 8, 2017

Dost with another hatttrick today

Gilbertsson · Apr 9, 2017

These attackers were invited against Bulgaria.