Atlanta Beat stadium discussion

Discussion in 'Atlanta Beat' started by Reignking, Jul 7, 2009.

  1. Reignking

    Reignking Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    Interesting news. Thanks for the link. Does anyone know where the Beat hope to play next season?
     
  3. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
  4. Bonnie Lass

    Bonnie Lass Moderator
    Staff Member

    Lyon
    Norway
    Oct 20, 2000
    Up top
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    Yikes. KSU is about 20 miles north of Atlanta, iirc.

    I was under the impression the owner was going to have a stadium built for the team, not latch on to another stadium. KSU is just so far out.
     
  5. Reignking

    Reignking Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    From my earlier post, quoting the article when they made the name announcement:

    Now we know what they meant by joint-venture.
     
  6. StarCityFan

    StarCityFan BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 2, 2001
    Greenbelt, MD
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    I just Googlemapped for both the Soccerplex and KSU. If you picked up the former map and superimposed it on the latter with DC and Atlanta in the same position, the Soccerplex and KSU would also be in almost exactly the same location.

    But KSU is on Chastain Road, so that's a good omen, right? ;)
     
  7. Bonnie Lass

    Bonnie Lass Moderator
    Staff Member

    Lyon
    Norway
    Oct 20, 2000
    Up top
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    I'll just assume they think they'll pick up more suburbanites this way.

    Eh. I'll keep the negative thoughts to myself on this one.
     
  8. SoB Bolton

    SoB Bolton New Member

    Mar 25, 2007
    Chester, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    Not to totally threadjack, but tonight was my first time at the MD SoccerPlex...that's some rough stuff. It's like in the middle of a suburban neighborhood. Once you're there it's a fantastic little stadium, good place to see a match...but it's gotta be hard for you guys to get people out. Hopefully United gets a stadium soon.
     
  9. StarCityFan

    StarCityFan BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 2, 2001
    Greenbelt, MD
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    Apparently we're doing all right with getting people there - at least the Marta match was a near-sellout. But, yeah, it's a pain in the butt to get to. We need a soccer-specific stadium that's subway-accessible.
     
  10. Reignking

    Reignking Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    I've played at the MD Soccerplex -- it is a weird, weird location.

    Bonnie Lass, although I want the big downtown SSS too, I think what the Beat are doing is practical. I'd be more upset if Blank's MLS expansion team ended up there (which was a possibility). I didn't want a Pizza Hut Park.

    1) They are sharing their stadium -- and costs
    2) They are targeting surbanites, and families, I suspect. It is certainly a different target market than MLS is now.
    3) Although the stadium is out there, it will be easy to get to
     
  11. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    That is no fun ;)

    So it is ok for WPS to be way the heck out but not MLS? Sharing stadium costs is one thing but focused marketing to kids/families is NOT a long term winner for a WPS team--that has been proven. Nor is it likely to get a diverse crowd. And building far away makes me cringe.
     
  12. Reignking

    Reignking Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    How has it been proven?
     
  13. Nacional Tijuana

    Nacional Tijuana St. Louis City

    St. Louis City SC
    May 6, 2003
    San Diego, Calif.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    I've only been to the Plex once, when the Riverhounds (then A-League) were drawn against DCU for the USOC. I carpooled with a few front office friends. Great facility, but weirdly isolated. I looked it up again, thinking I'd go watch Freedom v. StLA, and it seemed to be accesible only by MARC train, and even then with a heavy walk.

    KSU sounds like a similar bummer. But then I don't know ATL too well. Only Griffin.
     
  14. Bonnie Lass

    Bonnie Lass Moderator
    Staff Member

    Lyon
    Norway
    Oct 20, 2000
    Up top
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    I'd assume the were referring to the WUSA.
     
  15. Reignking

    Reignking Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    Ok. I've got no idea why it failed. I have no idea if it were the economy, lack of sponsors, ticket sales, etc...
     
  16. crog1967

    crog1967 Member

    May 5, 2009
    Club:
    Atlanta Beat
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    Yeah, Kennesaw is pretty much suburban hell with a dose of redneck thrown in for good measure.
     
  17. Reignking

    Reignking Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    Kennesaw and Germantown are identical in so many ways -- if you know one, you know the other.
     
  18. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    Bonnie is correct that I was refering to WUSA but there are other examples of failed businesses that tried to survive primarily by marketing to kids/families that might buy something once at the expense of building a diverse client base of people that repeatedly spend money on their product.
     
  19. Reignking

    Reignking Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    Ok -- I thought that you were trying to compare MLS and WPS...
     
  20. StarCityFan

    StarCityFan BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 2, 2001
    Greenbelt, MD
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    I'm not sure that the failure of the WUSA proved anything other than that you should have a realistic budget and stick to it. They could have tripled their attendance, and it still wouldn't have been enough.
     
  21. crog1967

    crog1967 Member

    May 5, 2009
    Club:
    Atlanta Beat
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    If the Beat shares a facility with KSU, they will not be allowed to sell beer at the games (Georgia Board of Regents policy). Beer sales are a good revenue generator, and make the game more appealing to adult fans. I think this is a mistake.
     
  22. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    And you know this how? There's more to Kennesaw than Dent "Wildman" Myers.

    If you don't know who I'm talking about, yourl statement has no merit whatsoever.
     
  23. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    I used bing for actual driving directions. From the Kennesaw location to downtown ATL is about 25.2 mi/26 min whereas from the Soccerplex in Boyds, MD to downtown DC is 31.2 mi, 46 min. Kennesaw has potential to be closer to population centers though.
    I know nothing about the area, but I hope it isn't as strangely located as the SoccerPlex. Since it is basically KSU and right off 75, it's hard to imagine it is. The SoccerPlex is a nice place, but it suffers from being in Maryland. Therefore, it is in an unplanned, random, remote location that is barely accessible. For the attendance the league wants, it hasn't mattered as much where the stadiums are though.
     
  24. StarCityFan

    StarCityFan BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 2, 2001
    Greenbelt, MD
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    The difference seems to be that Kennesaw is right on a major highway that goes straight into Atlanta, while the Soccerplex is a few miles off of 270, and 270 stops well before DC.
     
  25. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Atlanta named expansion franchise for 2010

    This point might actually be a bigger problem in developing a good (returning) fanbase than location. Sure I know you don't have to drink to have fun but beer sales and the ability to tailgate do matter to fans and add to the fan experience.

    iirc, in Year 1 of the Courage, you couldn't get beer at Fetzer. Made a big difference in atmosphere/fan experience when you could get beer at SAS (which is now called something else but I can't be bothered to remember what).
     

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