Argentina : World cup 2018 Russia discussion

Rattlehead · Jul 20, 2018

Well you're asking who's 2 players that dominated for over a decade and try to compare it to Mbappe who's yet to achieve anything major outside this one month tournament....

As I said, he's definetely the best young player today, no doubt about that. My point is, its still long way to go before he can be compare to other great players that already proof themselves for many years. For now he had a great WC at 19 but remains to be seen what he'd achieve 10 years from now.

Would you consider Gotze and Rodriguez as oustanding players in last 4 years? I know they're being touted as future Ballon winners after having a great WC in 2014.

Maradona would have been WC winner before 20 if Menotti decided to include him in the 23 list back in 1978. The same with Messi in 2006, there's a big chance he might win it if Pekerman didnt bench him in QF. That team was super solid and didnt lose a single game baring a shootout.

Rattlehead · Jul 20, 2018

Anyway, if you go to FIFATV youtube channel, the France vs Argentina highlight is the 2nd most viewed video behind only Spain vs Portugal.

Pipiolo · Jul 22, 2018

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Lol, Laurel and Hardy, the 2 Ronnies, Morecambe & Wise, SuperMario & Rattlehead. The 2 most predictable posts ever, 2 sad bitter people who can't even see the joy of a 19 year old winning the world cup and scoring in the final. Bet the 2 of them are waiting for Mbappe to break a leg so they can celebrate. So very sad.
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Sick burn!

Pipiolo · Jul 22, 2018

Rattlehead said: ↑

Robinho, Kaka, Pato, Neymar, Countiho.... how many times they've been WPOTY? every young Brazillians will be future Ballon winners obviously...

Notice that Bale has never been in contention for best player award because he's always absent from international tournament which never he's fault in first place. Salah is another player that has been one of the best last season. He even scored in this WC despite playing for one of worst team of the tournament.

Mbappe style is very similar to Kaka and Bale. If people gonna make WC performance comparison, Messi also scored and assisted at 19 year old and people obviously expecting to him to score by sitting on the bench in QF.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...driguez-will-be-a-future-ballon-dor-contender

Remember that famous word by Loew " show the world that you're better than Messi " . I believe he has won Ballon ....

Mbappe had a great WC just like the rest of France and Croatia teams, but to beat Messi and CR, there's bunch of great players that he first needs to surpass, and certainly he'd need to do it for 10 years straight. Outside Pele and Maradona, I dont think there's any other players that stays on the top for that long. For now Mbappe is the best young talent out there without a doubt but I'd wait for at least till he's 23 and see what he'd achieve post this WC.

As I said long before this WC started, I'm more interested on next year Copa cause 90% of the old gooses wont be there anymore and we can finally build a new team with long term plan. I actually worry a little bit for the fact that Higuain has yet to announce his retirement from NT.
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Mbappe is far more talented than Cristiano Ronaldo, so is Hazard by the way.

Rattlehead said: ↑

Well you're asking who's 2 players that dominated for over a decade and try to compare it to Mbappe who's yet to achieve anything major outside this one month tournament....

As I said, he's definetely the best young player today, no doubt about that. My point is, its still long way to go before he can be compare to other great players that already proof themselves for many years. For now he had a great WC at 19 but remains to be seen what he'd achieve 10 years from now.

Would you consider Gotze and Rodriguez as oustanding players in last 4 years? I know they're being touted as future Ballon winners after having a great WC in 2014.

Maradona would have been WC winner before 20 if Menotti decided to include him in the 23 list back in 1978. The same with Messi in 2006, there's a big chance he might win it if Pekerman didnt bench him in QF. That team was super solid and didnt lose a single game baring a shootout.
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Gotze was never rated as a potential Balon D'Or winer, not ever. James may still win it as he is only 26 and Bayern Munich's leading player. With him in form Colombia beats England, then beats Sweden and reaches at least the semifinals of the tournament, where it would have been an even chance against Croatia.

Burr · Jul 22, 2018

I agree Gotze was never rated that high. He was also undone by health issues more than anything else. Not really his fault his career has gone the way it has.

SupaMario · Jul 22, 2018

Gotze was dubbed as the next German wonderkid, he was huge 6 years ago or so. Felix Magath had said he was “once in a lifetime talent” Matthias Sammer had said he was one the best talents Germany had ever produced and the list goes on. He was immensely talented, like Mbbape, he won a World Cup like Mbbape, but as is the case with many people and journalists, they tend to be very quick to make assessments by calling players as the next “King of Football.” Calling somebody the king of a sport is putting them on an pedestal as an all-time great. Let’s wait a few more years and see how their careers play-out before we call somebody the next King.

Rattlehead · Jul 22, 2018

SupaMario said: ↑

Gotze was dubbed as the next German wonderkid, he was huge 6 years ago or so. Felix Magath had said he was “once in a lifetime talent” Matthias Sammer had said he was one the best talents Germany had ever produced and the list goes on. He was immensely talented, like Mbbape, he won a World Cup like Mbbape, but as is the case with many people and journalists, they tend to be very quick to make assessments by calling players as the next “King of Football.” Calling somebody the king of a sport is putting them on an pedestal as an all-time great. Let’s wait a few more years and see how their careers play-out before we call somebody the next King.
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Lothar Matthaus seems the only Germany legend that always rate a player objectively.

Rattlehead · Jul 22, 2018

Pipiolo said: ↑

Mbappe is far more talented than Cristiano Ronaldo, so is Hazard by the way.

Gotze was never rated as a potential Balon D'Or winer, not ever. James may still win it as he is only 26 and Bayern Munich's leading player. With him in form Colombia beats England, then beats Sweden and reaches at least the semifinals of the tournament, where it would have been an even chance against Croatia.
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He is, CR wasnt even goalscorer until his 6th season. He scored 0-12 goals in his first 5 seasons. My point is, Mbappe hasnt proof himself in a long stretch. He's having 1 great tournament which which only lasted for 1 month and there's no way you can rate any player as all time great until they play at least 7-8 seasons at highest level and showing consistency during those span.

For intense, Ronaldinho won WC in his early 20's and at one point could have challange Pele and Maradona , but at the end of the day, he came up short because he's already faded at 27 where he suppose to be at absolute peak. Mbappe is the best young talent out there but that's all I could say for now.