News: Another attack on free speech

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  1. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
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    Meh. It's only painful for a half hour once a year. But it does stick with you.

    Now all the rest of the compliance training...
     
  2. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    Doesn't that just mean buying stuff?
     
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  3. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
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    No, it means not participating in a boycott, and not allowing a customer to dictate terms wherein the effect is to observe the boycott.
     
  4. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
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    These items were surely very common in the daily shopping lists made by the real americans of Dickinson, Texas.

    But alas, no more.
     
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  5. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
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    I've seen Israeli bell peppers in local groceries when the Canadian and US seasons end. It's usually Mexican or Israeli.

    They've been known to export other produce to the US.

    You'd be surprised by the number of OEMs that use Israeli-built Intel processors in enterprise AND consumer desktops and laptops (and especially server class - especially Dell in the late Oughts/early teens).

    I think the demand for diamonds is pretty constant for lots of classes of people no matter where they are.

    Medical supplies are always in demand everywhere.
     
  6. xtomx

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    Fixed your post.

    That WOULD explain Ted Cruz, at least
     
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  7. Dr. Wankler

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    From July until Thanksgiving, we get nearly all our produce from the local Farmers Market, which has been going for 70 years and is cheaper than the grocery stores for the most part. But the last three celery bunches we've bought at Giant have been from Israel.
     
  8. Dyvel

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    I will continue to buy home-made hummus from the Arab delis around me. But if an Israeli deli opens up with better hummus....
     
  9. Dr. Wankler

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    That actually happened here.

    We drive an extra 30 minutes now for superior falafel and pita.
     
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  10. Dr. Wankler

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    Prominent Christian Speaker silenced, then escorted by police off campus.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ti-trump-christian-author-from-campus/544571/

    Well, I need to learn how to embed links in my own text because the surprise is given away. Anyway...

    Jonathan Martin, a prominent anti-Trump Christian author, was escorted off the grounds of Liberty University by campus police officers Monday night. He was told to never return or he would be arrested for trespassing.

    Liberty has been known for its conservative politics since it was founded in the 1970s by Jerry Falwell Sr., a prominent figure on the religious right. Its current president, Jerry Falwell Jr., has taken campus politics to new levels with his unfailing support of Donald Trump, a man he’s called a “dream president” for evangelicals.

    He has also demonstrated intolerance for those who criticize the president. It was this behavior, culminating in a report that Falwell was teaming up with Steve Bannon to oust “fake Republicans,” that prompted Martin to travel to Lynchburg, Virginia, on Monday. His goal was to meet with students and alumni to organize a prayer gathering in protest of the school and its leader’s political activity.​

     
  11. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    Will be visiting Pita Inn later today. Chicago's best Middle Eastern. The founder is Lebanese, and a true mensch.
     
  12. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Can anybody suggest a college where criticism of a hypothetical President Hillary Clinton would have been forbidden, and the critic banned from stepping foot on campus.

    I think not; I think this is yet another in a long series of defeats for *#bothsidesdoit.
     
  13. Dr. Wankler

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    It's pretty clear in the Liberty case that Falwell, Jr., doesn't want his path to power blocked in any way whatsoever. I think his version of the Gospels is titled Jesus Christ: Lust For Glory
     
  14. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    So the lefty equivalent would be a college President who had linked his/her personal ambitions to those of Hillary Clinton, and who also is of a dictatorial mindset. Hmmm. Thinking.
     
  15. Sudžuka

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  16. Auriaprottu

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    Funny- Pizza Inn used to be a company.
     
  17. VFish

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    Pizza Inn is still a company.
     
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  18. ceezmad

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    Yeah having the word fvck in display like that is shitty, kids can see it, but it is free speech.

    Having nude pictures would also get attention and in some places that may be restricted.

    The compromise could be replacing the word fvck (censored by big soccer) wilth a less offensive word.

    Screw would still be offensive for some, forget is weak.



    Yes I know people have problems with more than the word fvck, but legally that is the only thing they can charge him for.
     
  19. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    The lawyers can chip in, but I doubt that this is a free-speech issue. I would expect that such a thing could be regulated by a public-morality statute.
     
  20. yossarian

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    You are most likely incorrect.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohen_v._California

    Also, if you read to the end of the linked article, the DA even says (paraphrased): "uhhh, the sheriff should've consulted with me first before spouting off about the law......"
     
  21. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    By a 5-4 vote, the same way W got elected. I call that a moral victory. I could have been a whole lot wronger.
     
  22. ceezmad

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  23. Sudžuka

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    [​IMG]

    Gervais did the whole douchey online atheist shtick before it was even a thing.
     
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  24. ceezmad

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    Someone has to attack the "marginalized" religions running the world.

    Getting paid while doing it is a plus.
     
  25. Dr. Wankler

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    More generally an attack on the First Amendment...

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/05/al-jazeera-press-foreign-agent-437072

    In a letter addressed to Attorney General Jeff Sessions and circulated for signatures on Capitol Hill, members of Congress argue that Al Jazeera is serving as a mouthpiece for Qatar's foreign policy views and that the network appears to qualify as a "state-controlled" operation.

    "We find it troubling that the content produced by this network often directly undermines American interests with favorable coverage of U.S. State Department-designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations, including Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria," Reps. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) and others write in the letter. "American citizens deserve to know whether the information and news media they consume is impartial, or if it is deceptive propaganda pushed by foreign nations."

    Gottheimer said in a statement Monday that the letter was driven by alarm at the content of Al Jazeera's programming.


    On what grounds?

    The effort to pressure Al Jazeera to register is the latest in a series of efforts to reinvigorate the law passed in 1938 to combat Nazi propaganda.

    Well, a former state department guy who writes for the American Conservative raises an interesting, if true, point...



    http://www.theamericanconservative....zeera-really-a-foreign-agent-fara-rt-sputnik/

    The Foreign Agents Registration Act was never intended to regulate journalism. In fact, the legislation includes finely worded exemptions for journalists, scholars, artists, and the like, who are not required to announce themselves as “agents of a foreign principal” regardless of what they do. The law was created in 1938 in response to German propaganda, specifically Nazi officials and those they employed who were delivering pacifist speeches in then-neutral America to organize sympathetic German Americans. By requiring those working for the Nazis to register and report their finances and spending, U.S. counterespionage authorities could more easily keep track of their activities.

    . . . .

    Subjecting journalists to FARA sends a message about America. It encourages other governments to impose their own restrictions (Russia has already passed a law requiring outlets like CNN to register as foreign agents). It uses the full authority of the American government to declare that Al Jazeera, a network that reaches 310 million people in more than 160 countries, has no place within a free press because its broadcasts are “anti-American, anti-Semitic, and anti-Israel.” In the specific case of Al Jazeera, it seemingly extends America law to cover anti-Israeli propaganda as well. As with attempts to claim Wikileaks is espionage and not journalism, this particular use of FARA looks to be another instance of laws wielded to harass those with “un-American” opinions.

    The employment of FARA to restrict foreign journalists also adds to the growing sense among too many already frightened Americans that our freedoms are being used against us. “The U.S. is at a huge strategic disadvantage when it comes to the New Media Wars because our information environment is so open and rich,” said one former CIA deputy director of intelligence. Perhaps too many dissenting voices isn’t a good idea. The Internet is just too much freedom to responsibly allow. Maybe the government should become more involved in what we say, hear, watch, and read, as Facebook and Twitter (which banned RT from advertising) do now—you know, for our own protection. Our open society is a vulnerability, not a strength.


     
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