And now where do you stand?

If you vote stay, please explain why. If you vote go, please try to present a take that we haven't heard?

 

Simple and to the point: It's time.

His tactics and his dealings in the transfer market are the actions of a man who wants to do things by his rules and, when people outthink/outbid him, acts like you stole his dog.

To put it another way: Arsene Wenger is the poster child for Albert Einstein's definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.

 

"a take that we haven't heard?"

 

Lmao 100%

 

The biggest statistical finding is how the response numbers are dropping. It ain't novel but fan apathy is why he needs to go. I've started following another team (non EPL) as have many others or just stopped following soccer.

 

Repeating it doesn't make it any more intelligent than the first time.

 

He needs to go. I can pinpoint when I thought that, we lost to man U in 2014 2-1, and it wasthe ssame shit as before, and since. Bad tactics, missing chances, shit defending, no progression. Bad transfers, injuries (always soft tissue too).

Nothing really has changed. I don't see why anybody can support him, it's based on sentiment,not his actual skills. Even ********ing Gary Neville, a Man U legend with no connection to Arsenal, says that he should stay and based on sentiment.

I have NO confidence he will or can change his ways, since he should have by now.

This isn't a "unique" standpoint, but a different standpoint is hard to make, not when one is seeing the same shit all the time.

 

A different take, eh?

How about, "They all need to go!"

Kroenke, Gazidis, Sir Chips, Wenger, our coddled, fantasyland "soft tissue" players, Shad "all hype" Forsythe, the team chef, the website content team, and gunnersaurus can all GTFO!!

Man, that felt GOOOOOOODDDDD!

 

Is the bit about soft tissue really true? It does seem like the short term injuries have gotten better over the last three seasons, outside of the usual suspects (Ramsey, Ox, Theo).

 

Moyes Man United is harsh. Ever since the Emirates move, Wenger's squad building has tended to a points/pound maximization strategy, but it ran into the one flaw this season: what happens if there are 4-5 really good teams?

Agree that this isn't a good team, but the "why" is a more interesting question. I think it's the lack of a functioning midfield, but that's also coupled with Monreal getting older, Bellerin regressing, and Mustafi having pretty severe growing pains.

 

Leicester winning the title was the most damning indictment of Wenger and his way of doing things. All of Arsenal's title rivals for the past 10-15 years suffered downturns in form, Arsenal were the only team(?) that got results in both fixtures against Leicester.

Yet they didn't win because teams that had no business beating them or getting a point off of Arsenal did so. And (as it's happened year after year after mind-numbing year) whenever say, a Southampton led by Koeman figure a way to keep Arsenal at bay, Wenger gets upset. Not because Southampton got a result, but the tactics Koeman used were not what Wenger saw coming. That's the response of a poor coach and frankly, a coach that should no longer be in that position.

 

Well...at least I can manage Arsenal to global supremacy in FIFA.

 

I don't understand why you remade this thread. Most opinions are known about Wenger on here. We had a thread in the past where this question was asked. There is a 490 post thread dedicated to that. I feel that is where the convo is taking place.

 

Umm, who voted stay, and why (assuming it's not pook)?

 

This. My first visit here in weeks. Didn't even watch the west ham game and have it on dvr. Surely the club will start to see the apathy showing up in web traffic, merch sales, etc.

Even if a galaticos strategy isn't the best for on the pitch, there is a reason it works for the bottom line. Fans love the excitement of something new, even if it ends in tears 7 months later:

The prem is no longer about top four prestige. Stoke and Bournemouth can attract and pay top talent. The prem is more like MLB now where's you will have your perennial favorites due to payrolls, the odd dynasty, and the occasional upstart.

Unlike 5 years ago where consistency was rewarded, sticking with a regime offers no benefit. AW has negligible chance of winning anything serious--everyone can see that. He will start his 4th rebuild since the invincibles next season--each one more costly and less effective than its predecessor imho.

Time for change--any change tbh. I'm bored as shit.

 

I am voting go. Simply put, all coaches have a use by date at any given club in any given league. This can be due to a variety of reasons, I believe that Wenger has gone stale and needs a new challenge. He could still be great, just not at Arsenal, where a shake up is needed to reinvigorate the attitude of the players and the culture of the club.
The longer he stays around, the further he will tarnish he legacy in the short term with supporters. If he leaves at the end of this season, in 2 years time he will be remembered very fondly. But if we have 3 more seasons of this, then it will take longer because 3 more season of this will see our best players leave and Arsenal competing for 6th place trophy and a spot in the Europa League.

 

Yeah this. I don't think Wenger was a good manager five years ago but he at least had some aura of the guy in the Dos Equis commercials. Now he doesn't. The results of last season and this season to date have changed all that. We have the squad to be competitive. We just don't have the manager, or the results. Before Wenger was mysterious and incompetent. Now he's just boring and incompetent. Enough.

 

Yeah. I don't think we're too far away from that now in fact. If Wenger does stay, it looks as though our squad will be significantly weaker than it is now, but the manager will be just as poor. It's hard to sell a situation without any legitimate hope.

Paul Simon explained that there's 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover, and I figure there's gotta be at least that many ways to dump Wenger.