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Discussion in 'Sacramento Republic FC' started by mangerson, Apr 25, 2016.

  1. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More Republic FC alumni news: Aaron Long, who was here on loan from Portland in 2014, has moved up to the New York Red Bulls first team for the rest of the 2016 season.
     
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  2. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NASL taking over financial responsibility of Ft. Lauderdale Strikers:

    http://sbisoccer.com/2016/09/report...ing-nasl-to-assume-financial-responsibilities

    The Strikers are easily 12th out of 12 in league attendance, drawing 1,452 a game. Cosmos are 10th and draw well over twice the number of fans.

    "it is being reported by WRALSportsFan that the ownership group led by Paulo Cesso have ceased its financial obligations as of September 1."

    "The news places the NASL in a tough position, as they are now forced to request that member teams aid in funding the Strikers remaining necessary expenses for the 2016 season, estimated to cost between $1.25 million and $1.75 million."

    I doubt the rest of NASL is in much of a position to do this. I suspect it will be hard to get any $$ from Rayo.
     
  3. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And let's remember, South Florida is where MLS wants to put a team. Whether they like it or not! Meanwhile in Sacramento....
     
  4. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More news from SI on NASL's struggles:

    NASL's continued struggles

    Includes the rumor of Ottawa bolting for USL next year, and adds the Tampa Bay Rowdies to that category, as well.
     
  5. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    The article failed to answer the question we're all asking: "What about the Cosmos?!?!?????"
     
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  6. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do you mean? To USL? That would be some delicious irony.
     
  7. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    NASL will probably grimly cling to life for another year with seven or eight teams, assuming SF even makes it through its first season, which is doubtful at this time.

    You never like to speak ill of the dead and dying, but when the Scorpions made the switch and nevertheless survived, a blueprint was provided for teams like Rowdies and Fury to follow along.

    NASL is dying. What their commish is saying in that article was almost word for word what was said by leadership in the early 80's when the original NASL died.

    Too bad for Indy XI and Railhawks. Both orgs deserve better based on what they've done so far.
     
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  9. Salvadanish

    Salvadanish Member

    Sep 14, 2014
    Vancouver, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    This business with the NASL was a long time coming. Hopefully the USL can rise to the occasion and attain D2 status, and we can move toward a more integrated soccer "pyramid" (for lack of a better term). It's unfortunate to the fans of certain teams that their respective FOs don't have their crap together, but if the league fails, I do hope most of the teams can land on their feet within the USL. I doubt that Cosmos will swallow their pride, and I'd be shocked if RayOK lasts the season.

    Having said that, should the NASL fold, I'll be glad not to have to listen to all the league's fanboys and apologists ever again.
     
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  10. fortunesfool223

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Dec 26, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I almost fell out of my chair laughing at the Commissioner's comment that they need the right owners in the right market.

    Umm, isn't that what you should have been doing the last eight years? This is a "new"'strategy?

    Jeez, what have they been focusing on the last few years - it certainly wasn't corporate recruitment or marketing......I guess it wasn't Open Cup wins against USL teams either.


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  11. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm guessing both are among the "three other unnamed NASL teams" thinking about jumping ship.
     
  12. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some greatest hits:

    “In 10 or 15 years, we see soccer as bigger than football in this country.”
    New England Tea Men president Derek Carroll, 1979

    “Soccer is going to be the number one sport in this country very soon.”
    New York Cosmos president Steve Ross, 1979

    “In six or eight years our franchises will be worth more than those in the National Football League.”
    The late NASL Commissioner Phil Woosnam in 1973

    “This sport will take off. There is absolutely no way that it will not bypass everything else. This country will be the center of world soccer. In the 80s there will be a mania for the game here. The NASL will be the world’s number one soccer league. And it will be the biggest sports league in the USA.”
    Woosnam, in 1977

    “In five years we’re going to be as popular as the NFL is today. And in 10 years we’re going to be the number one sport in America and the biggest league in the world.”
    Woosnam, August 29, 1977.

    “We’re still going to be the sport of the ’80s. Don’t forget, the ’80s are just one year old. We’ve still got nine years to go.”
    Woosnam, quoted in the Washington Post on May 18, 1981. As it turned out, the NASL had fewer than four years to go.

    “Losing those teams is not a setback. The credibility will come back next year. We had an average attendance of 14,000 this year. If we can come back to 17,000 or 18,000 next year, that’s instant credibility.”
    Woosnam, on September 21, 1981 after five NASL teams folded. Attendance actually dropped slightly the following year and continued to slide until the league folded in 1985.

    “The league is in no danger of disappearing. We have a strong foundation in Tampa Bay, New York, Chicago, Montreal, San Diego, Vancouver and Fort Lauderdale.”
    Woosnam, on the eve of the 1982 NASL season.

    “I still say there is no way soccer cannot become a major sport in this country. We will be third behind football and baseball by the end of the ’80s.”
    Woosnam, June 16, 1982.
     
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  13. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they had set up their league in a closed system like MLS is today, they could have made inroads. But the way they structured their league it was doomed to failure by unsustainable spending and lack of smart growth. So many critics of MLS now don't understand they're deliberately trying to avoid the mistakes that did soccer in.

    Those old NASL guys were right, it's just they needed to expand their timeline to 50 years instead.
     
  14. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did anyone catch that MLS released expansion draft rules and each of the United's will only be able to draft five players from existing MLS club's, down from ten in year's past?

    I'm not aware of any proposed increase in international slots, so the league is really putting a burden on clubs to scour college and NASL & USL ranks for players. Seems odd, existing clubs are getting their 2's and affiliations in place to develop deeper league talent, and now they're hoarding it. Seems like these increased expansion fees should at least buy 10 players per club.
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you mean "single entity?"

    Because when you write "a closed system," it makes me think it's a pro/rel reference.
     
  16. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yes.
     
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  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Had they thought of a system where everybody had a real, vested interest in the success of all the other clubs, that would have been a help. But the flow chart of the original NASL's demise is quite complicated. Expanding willy-nilly to unprepared and non-committed ownership groups who expected the investment to pay off very quickly, and who didn't do any sort of infrastructure, surely did not help.

    And if you were in Tampa or New York or Minnesota (places where they had successful clubs, for varying lengths of time), you might very well say, "Well, if Edmonton folds, no skin off my neck, I'm doing okay." And there'd be something to that, right up to the point where there were nine teams left and then seven of them went away.

    While hindsight is great, and single entity wasn't a thing, there was the concept of LeagueThink, which was (if you read David Harris' The League: The Rise and Decline of the NFL) one of the key components of pro football's success during the very same decade.

    Given all the things from the NFL that the NASL tried to emulate, it's unfortunate they didn't try to emulate that. (Then again, there was only one Pete Rozelle.) Given the NFL owners who had stakes in the NASL, you'd think they could have said, "Hey, wait a minute."

    The current NASL's problems are many and varied, too.
     
  18. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Deltas Host Bubble Soccer This Saturday
    The San Francisco Deltas are hosting their last free bubble soccer event of the year this Saturday at Street Soccer USA Park, which is adjacent to The Yard at AT&T Park.
    Fans can play bubble soccer, and meet with team representatives to learn about the Deltas inaugural season at Kezar Stadium in 2017.

    BUBBLE SOCCER WITH THE SAN FRANCISCO DELTAS
    Saturday, October 22, 2016 – 2PM
    Street Soccer USA Park (200 Terry A Francois Boulevard, San Francisco)
     
  19. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Latest report on the possible demise of NASL:

    http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2016...-business-nasl-usa-soccer-second-division-usl

    In a nutshell:
    • Debt-ridden Cosmos are done. Put a fork in 'em. Although a sale of the franchise, and it's reported $30M debt, is still possible.
    • Other NASL teams ready to jump to USL and will be discussed at USL BOG mtg later this week. Therefore,
    • NASL is done, put a fork in 'it.
    • Pressure is on USSF (by who?) to designate USL as D2 for as early as "next season." USSF meets this week, I think.
    • Some current USL teams won't want to make the jump to D2 and will remain in D3. For all practical purposes resurrecting a version of USL1 & USL2.
    Not sure I'm convinced that NASL really is done but a lot of people, who won't name their sources, seem to think so. It probably depends a lot on the size of that Cosmos' debt. If it's really $30M, can't imagine anyone will buy them.

    We'll find out soon enough.
     
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  20. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NASL remains on life-support.

     
  21. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hah, yes, .I'm sure it will survive as D2 with 4 teams next year. They can play each other 12 times for seeding and all teams automatically qualify for the semifinals.
     
  22. 30King

    30King Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
    Rocklin, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    USL has D2.

    USSF is working to get all the viable NASL teams moved over. Its taking some negotiating. This is probably a delay to get through the USL BofG meeting this week (and get approval)
     
  23. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. Robdog

    Robdog Member+

    Oct 20, 2002
    Rancho Cordova, Cali
  25. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh! Is there an Earthquakes forum?

    [emoji14]

    Posted from my mobile Etch-a-Sketch
     
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