By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
  1. Dan Loney

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    By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
    I detest Plato. If someone had simply replied, "Why would you assume that, Socrates?", his collected works would fit onto a Post-It Note.

    However, the Socratic method – recognizable perhaps to some as catechism – can occasionally be used helpfully to focus thought. So let's try to focus on the question that has roiled Major League Soccer this week:

    The reason I am superior to Plato and Socrates is that, unlike them, I am humble. I will not attempt to claim that my reasoning necessarily speaks for anyone else, let alone the universe, let alone conceptual thought. Plato sucked. Where was I. Oh, yes. I'll ask questions, but I won't pretend you and I will have the same answers.

    This is how I see the issue: I think MLS can, and should, pre-emptively ban Nazis from their games.

    Can MLS ban Nazis from the stadium?

    Oh, citizen. They can ban anyone they please. Forget political speech, we've all read about people getting tossed for bringing banners saying "Fire the coach." They can't ban you for your race, your age, or your gender, but the fine print of every ticket we've ever bought tells us Major League Soccer can give us the bum's rush for next to any or no reason. MLS isn't exactly the only promoter that claims such rights, either. If you'd like to wear that "Snakes on a Plane" shirt you got at Goodwill, complete with famous catchphrase? You would do so entirely on the sufferance of The Man.

    In case you doubt this, here's a helpful Tweet from David Rudin.



    And, in case you still doubt it, for a few hot minutes in the 1990's, American flags were banned at Galaxy games. Allow me to explain. You see, the Rose Bowl had a fairly big general admission section. And while US fans had their feelings hurt by Mexico fans throwing debris at them – we wisely wore disposable raincoats for the occasion – the rivalry between Mexico and El Salvador, to pick an example not entirely at random, had literally an edge to it, shall we say. The easiest way to forestall discussions on team MVPs from becoming, shall we say, unreasonably frank? Lose the flags. And, since you couldn't single out those two flags, the rest of the world was brought along. Once the Galaxy moved into its own stadium, and security was able to focus on not so great an acreage, was national pride welcomed back.

    So what about this claim by NYCFC, via Christian Araos in the Guardian?

    The supporters section at Yankee Stadium is general admission so any of them can purchase a ticket and sit there. As long as they refrain from making any obvious gestures or shout any hateful slogans, there’s not much the club can do.

    NYC FC’s policy is to keep decisions to sanction fans private and the club did not publicize the fact that Antillon – whose tattoos include an SS symbol and the white supremacist phrase “Blood And Honor” in Spanish – was banned permanently after making an offensive gesture at an away game. In line with Garber’s beliefs, NYC FC do not ban fans based on their political beliefs but rather for transgressions directly linked to the club that take place inside or outside stadiums. Another man who attended the Proud Boys event with Antillon was not banned. Since he has no record of offense, he can still attend the club’s games and events

    I think this is about practicality rather than policy. NYCFC did run off Antillon, and I'll bet they wish they had made it public. Knowing MLS front offices as we do, I imagine some form of double secret probation is permanently in effect for dipsticks like this.

    But the NYCFC front office needs to get their heads right. Sure, there's no way to prevent Horst Wessell from buying a ticket with cash, attending the game while keeping his stupid opinions to himself, and then going home again to do the same thing next week. There's absolutely a way to keep Horst out of the bleedin' supporters section, thanks to our friend the video camera. I doubt there are two teams in the league right now who don't have some kind of way to track their supporters groups in-game, and I'm including the one that hasn't had an MLS home game yet.

    Fine, so MLS has the right to bounce anyone for any reason. Should they?

    Okay, since we're now voyaging into the stormy waters of Ought and Should, now is probably a good time to say that from here on in I'm speaking for my own opinion. Let's say I own a team in MLS, like the Loney Rangers or the Loney Wolves or something.

    So, not for any reason. But I'd have a pretty strong policy against politics and religion, and I'll tell you why. I'm trying to sell tickets, and here you are trying to get your cause free publicity.

    That would go for causes I agree with, too. I wouldn’t take pro-choice or pro-life signs or ads. That's not what the fans are here for. That's not what the players are playing for. This isn't the Old Firm.

    But that banner in Seattle, for example, should have stayed. I don't want to sell tickets to people who will keep other people from coming. I don't want to sell tickets to racists, if only because they chase away other customers. There's that "right thing to do" going on, sure, but I'm trying to run a business here.

    So you'd confiscate a hammer and sickle flag, or an antifa flag?

    The former cheerfully, the latter with an explanation that since anarchism and socialism are technically political movements, this isn't the time or place. Again, this is me talking. You, as owner or investor/operator or general manager or whatever, have the right to drop-kick anyone and watch them bounce on their way out.

    And would you let Communists or antifa attend games?

    Sure. Why not?

    Why would you let violent people in the stadium?

    As long as they're not violent in the stadium. I wouldn't want to ban ex-convicts, for example. They've apparently served their debt to society, if they're walking around loose, and they of all people could probably use a good soccer game to cheer them up. I'll try not to let the Communists starve out the kulaks of Section 203 or wherever.

    Hey, the Soviet Union was –

    Not cool. Gotcha. And if they come to my games and act all Commie, that's different. But if they want to kick back and enjoy soccer, they're welcome.

    So you'd also let in Nazis, if they didn't do any Nazi things during the game?

    Oh, hell no. You get your picture online as one of those Proud Boy crapsacks, I'll put your face up in the office next to the people who try to pay for tickets with home-printed money.

    How do we know they're Nazis?

    Close enough for jazz, as the great Stan Freberg would have put it.

    So why is extreme right-wing worse than extreme left-wing?

    Oh, you don't really want my opinion - fine:



    That's pretty much it. People are born targets of this kind of ideology. Communism doesn't have what you'd call a great track record, either, and if you were to make the case that trying to establish Communism inevitably leads to authoritarianism, I'd listen politely. But you could make an equally fair case that whatever happens in practice, Stalin's Soviet Union was not what Marxism intended. A single-family monarchy in North Korea was not what Communism intended.

    The Third Reich was exactly what Nazism intended. There's not even a poor plausible cover for fascism. Violence is as much a part of fascism as potatoes are in potato chips.

    So wherever you would draw the line, if you're drawing it in a way that includes Nazis, you're making a series of wrongheaded mistakes.

    Several supporters groups, specifically Portland and Chicago, have already come to similar conclusions on moral grounds. We have to assume that Don Garber is looking at this topic from a legal and financial view - he must be worried about some lowlife suing the league for unjust discrimination or pre-crime from "Majority Report" or something.

    To which the response could, would and should be: So? Let them sue. Let them complain. Let them tell all the world that racists aren't allowed in Major League Soccer games. And let them spend whatever they can afford on legal fees. We're not talking about Rocco Commisso or Riccardo Silva here - at least, I hope not.

    And no, it won't keep every misguided, misbegotten miscreant out of the stands. If they hide their tattoos, skip the hand gestures, leave the banners and flags, and quietly blend in with other fans in general admission, it will be difficult to track them down and kick them out.

    That's fine. If we can't change their hearts, at least let's shut their mouths.




    __________

    So Eric Wynalda retold one of the stories his career at the USL site. Not that long a story short, Waldo missed an easy shot, made a joke about it in the locker room afterward, and one of the veterans threw a cleat at his face in rage.

    The moral of the story is that soccer is a deadly serious job without joy or fun or happiness:

    This may seem like a small thing to you. A forgettable moment in a long career. But for me, as a young player, that day taught me a lot about what it means to be a pro. It was humbling.

    Because here’s the truth: If you want to make it to the highest level, there’s no “Hey nice try, you’ll get ‘em next time.” There’s just success, and failure, and accountability.

    That’s it.

    This story has bugged me for a while, but this is the first time I've read or heard it without the usual distracting lesson Wynalda has added to this story over the years, along the lines that promotion and relegation inspires and demands this kind of constant devotion to excellence. Well, that narrative isn't going to truck very well in USL for the foreseeable, so it's now a more generalized lesson about accountability.

    And now I know what's wrong with the story.

    Wynalda's team at the time was 1.FC Saarbrucken. They were, in fact, relegated that year, and have never returned to the Bundesliga. As it happened, Saarbrucken finished tied for fifteenth place, and were relegated on goal differential. So the goal that Wynalda missed was directly responsible for Saarbrucken dropping out of the Bundesliga.

    No, of course not. Saarbrucken finished dead last, four points from safety in an era where a win was two points. Had Wynalda scored the winning goal that afternoon or evening, whichever it was? Saarbrucken would have had six wins all season, instead of five.

    So when I hear this story, I don't picture a young American learning about professionalism. I see a borderline pro using a young player as a scapegoat.

    In 1993, being a loose cannon was his entire reputation, thanks to the 1990 World Cup red card against Czechoslovakia. Saarbrucken didn't bring this kid in for his steel nerves. Wynalda isn't telling a story about professionalism. He's telling a story about a club in badly over its head, talentless and desperate, cracking under pressure.

    Oh, interesting bit of trivia. Saarbrucken's leading scorer that season? Currently coaching the Las Vegas Lights. Maybe Wynalda's veteran teammate should have been throwing his shoes elsewhere. And hopefully one of Coach Wynalda's lessons in professionalism will be something about not throwing cleats at your leading scorer's eyeball.
     
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Who would you ban from your team? Select as many as you like

  1. Nazis

    21 vote(s)
    75.0%
  2. Scientologists

    10 vote(s)
    35.7%
  3. Commies

    4 vote(s)
    14.3%
  4. Other team's fans

    5 vote(s)
    17.9%
  5. Whigs

    10 vote(s)
    35.7%
  6. Bieber fans

    14 vote(s)
    50.0%
  7. Juggalos

    7 vote(s)
    25.0%
  8. Parrotheads

    9 vote(s)
    32.1%
  9. Soccer comedy writers

    11 vote(s)
    39.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.

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Discussion in 'Articles' started by Dan Loney, Mar 9, 2019.

    1. Bill Archer

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      1) Would said ban extend to the adherents of ANY party which includes people who call for the death of Jews?

      2) Who gets to decide which person is a "Nazi" and which person you just don't like?

      I can line up a thousand people who will cheerfully tell you that anyone wearing a certain red hat is a "Nazi". Maybe hundreds of thousands. Will we be voting on this issue? If so, will we also be voting on whether someone wearing a Che t-shirt is a murdering thug who needs to be tossed?

      Slippery slope.
       
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    2. TOAzer

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      The Soviet Union was exactly what Lenin and Stalin intended. But you do not ban Leninists and Stalinists? Mao's China was exactly what Mao intended. But you do not ban Maoists? Pol Pot's Kampuchea and the Jung's Korea were exactly what Pol Pot and Jung intended. Do you ban those who "heart" 'em? From what you wrote, it seems as if you would say "Proudly, No! As long as they don't carry their Flag into the stadium they're fine folk out for a bit of joy in the azure of a summer's day!"
      Absolutely MLS has the right to say what standards those who enter games are to meet. But, that standard has to be set out as "equal under the law". This standard you are proposing ain't remotely close to that.
       
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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      What? No lifetime ban for the P**o chanters?
       
    4. Justin O

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      I don't claim to speak for Dan, but my interpretation of his point was not how you characterize it. The horrors of Nazism were inherent in the ideology, not subject to one person's murderous interpretation. If it hadn't been Hitler, if it had been any other Nazi, the same horrors would have occurred (or at least been attempted). That's what the ideology calls for. It's why we say "Nazism" and not "Hitlerism."

      Communism, for example, can be watered down to nothing more than a (screwed up) economic system, and still make a case for being legitimately called "Communism." I mean....if someone just thinks nationalizing everything is a great idea they probably should not be banned just for that.
       
    5. SierraSpartan

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      How about this: If you do politics in the stands, you then immediately get to do them in the parking lot.

      Left, right or center - No facking politics at MLS matches.

      Simple enough for ya?
       
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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      Which is all well and good, but Lenin and Stalin weren't Marx and Engels.
       
    7. jack sticker

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      So mls is suppose to monitor their fans political beliefs? This idea is not practical. This is something that is a case of the cure being worst then the disease.
       
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    8. Beau Dure

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      This.

      I think a good case can be made for banning anything that supports violence or the threat of violence therein. Ban a Stalin shirt? Sure. Miguel Diaz-Canel? Hmmm ...

      "Scarface" wouldn't count because that's a fictional character. More or less.

      "Slippery slope" is a logical fallacy used by people who want to defend inaction. We'll see how slippery that slope is when a bunch of thugs in NYCFC colors are gathered around you because you're sitting with a Jew or a person of color.

      Diaz-Canel? The most you could say about him, as far as I know, is that he consorts with people like Maduro and Put- ...

      Hmmm. Yeah, maybe this WILL get complicated.

      No, no -- seriously, as much as most Americans who aren't desperately seeking the Shirtless Wonder's good graces for business deals detest the guy, you could make the case that what he's done in Ukraine isn't worse that Obama ordering drone strikes. It's a *bad* case, but at least it's a complicated geopolitical situation rather than genocide.

      So if you really, really want to wear a shirt supporting Putin or his best buddies, fine. We reserve the right to laugh at you or leave a leaflet on your windshield next to the flyer for the local soccer store, but you won't be kicked out of the stadium.

      Show up with Nazi insignia, and MLS clubs have every right to show you what a boot is for. Toss a banana on the field, and you'll have plenty of money for more bananas when you're no allowed to spend that money on tickets.

      For the *most* part, this isn't that hard. Yeah, in a couple of cases, it'll be difficult. But if we use that an excuse to keep ourselves from kicking out the people who are frothing at the mouth to catch Jake and Elwood on their way back to the Cook County Assessors Office, we're a bunch of cowards and idiots.
       
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    9. SierraSpartan

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      I take it then that if somebody shows up rocking the Three Arrows or other such Antifa paramilitary symbology, you'd have no problem showing them the door?

      Or would that be one of those "difficult" cases?
       
    10. Paul Calixte

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      So, no more pro-LGBTQ initiatives either? Asking to see where we draw the line on bringing up socio-political issues...
       
    11. Paul Calixte

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      Hi @Dan Loney ,

      I'm a long-time Loney Rangers supporter, but I strongly disagree with our transfer policy in recent seasons. Am I allowed to bring a "Luck Phoney" banner into the stadium?
       
    12. Theopisa

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      Actually, the Guardian article says LAFC SG are spying to their FO the ones who chant it, so they can be banned from the stadium.
       
    13. SierraSpartan

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      It depends on whether you want to attach LGBTQ initiatives to socio-political activity.

      I freely admit that there are some folks who desperately want to do so - on both sides of that particular aisle.

      Me, I'd rather watch footy. How about you?
       
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    14. Dan Loney

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      @Paul Calixte - Loney Rangers has suffered some setbacks, what with liquidation, relegation, and the supporters all quitting to join Bolt Celtic and Archer Thistle.

      So. Deep breath.

      The slippery slope argument doesn't work, because I think owners should, and do, have the right to ban whatever they want. So we're already at sea level.

      NYCFC's issues are more about what's going on in the supporters section, and I have a different, stricter standard for SGs. I'm more lenient in the rest of the stadium, because in the rest of the stadium I'm not allowing any banners or flagpoles, and I'm making you sit unless we score a goal.

      T-shirts, caps and clothing are practically speaking, problematic. But I've got a right to police those, too. If I wear a George Carlin "Seven Words You Can't Say On Television" shirt to the Cincinnati home opener, I'm going to catch some flak on both an official and unofficial basis.

      (My brother once wore a Dead Kennedys "Nazi Punks Kindly Leave" shirt to high school, only as you might guess the name of the song isn't "Kindly Leave." He's sent to the principal's office, obviously. Principal gives him a square of duct tape. "I agree with the message," he said, "but I can't have the F-word on school grounds.)

      So just be thankful you're allowed to wear pants inside the stadium.

      I'm stricter on supporters groups because they represent my team in a way less self-identified hardcore supporters do not. And rightly so. Supporters groups have privileges. They can stand, they can drum, they can wave flags. So as a fan, let alone as a general manager, it's really annoying to have someone use the supporters group to push an agenda that isn't about the team.

      Here's what I'd do with the examples asked so far:

      So you want to wear a Che T-shirt or a MAGA cap to the supporters section. I assume it's in team colors, I assume you're singing like Pavarotti, and I assume your team gear is in the wash. Will I ban you for wearing them repeatedly? No, but it's the sort of thing I'm going to bring up when the supporters group in question asks for something like assistance with road game tickets or such.

      I do ban you for wearing this shirt (from https://yankees161.wordpress.com/):

      dennis-at-nycfc1.jpg

      We'll get to Dennis Davila and his sort in a minute. His pal on the right is out. It won't mean much to most, but it looks like something an asshole would wear even out of context. And, since I know the context, I can't lose him fast enough.

      Someone wearing the Antifa black flag/red flag thing? I'm probably giving out some duct tape to cover it up, and explaining that yes, I read David Neiwert too, and I know that extreme left-wing violence in America is largely a myth compared to extreme right-wing violence, but we both know perfectly well what sort of reaction that sort of symbol is likely to cause. So do it when I'm not on the clock.

      I'm not thrilled, if I'm Portland, with the Iron Front on the banner, and I'd ask them to come up with something that expresses opposition to racism without being so...what's the word I want. Recondite. A symbol from Weimar Germany isn't going to mean anything to most fans, and isn't going to inspire cheers or good feeling or ticket sales.

      What about rainbow flags? Here's one with a team logo! Wait, I'm a general manager or owner, and therefore a capitalist. Go buy one with a team logo, on sale at the team store! 10% discount with stub!

      What about an ISIS flag? Here's one with a team logo! No, I'm kidding. Although that would be funny.

      I can justify allowing rainbow flags pretty easily, apart from personal belief. It's a bigger story these days when rainbow flags are banned. Most people aren't alienated by it. And there's absolutely no association with violence, which is my main guardrail against the slippery slope.

      "I don't feel welcome if I see a rainbow flag." Okay. I'd get a shower of crap if I tried to ban it at this point, even if I wanted to, which I don't. The market has spoken.

      Same with nearly every national flag, except for *sigh* Israel and Palestine. If I have a player from either of those countries, well, of course they're allowed. But - you know what, this should go for any two countries at war. Sure, you can bring it, and anyone who gives you crap will be tossed. But you have to be an adult and realize that it might cause trouble, and if it causes trouble on a consistent basis I'd strongly encourage you to shop our team store for a club flag. That goes double for a supporters group. Israel flags also have a history of being used by less wonderful elements of Spurs and Ajax support, to the tune of outright anti-Semitism, so I've got fig leaf of an excuse to ban Israel flags - just in case things get too hot and someone double-dares me. I assume it wouldn't get anywhere near that stage, though.

      This may sound hypocritical. It is. Even more than you think - I've told this story several times, but I once brought a Tibet flag to a game against the People's Republic of China. Would I have whined if I had been told to lose the flag or leave the premises? Probably, I whine quite a bit. But I knew going in that being tossed was a possibility, because how could I not? I still respect to this day that I wasn't, but I couldn't pretend they wouldn't have had the right to.

      I strongly agree that politics and supporters groups do not mix. (The Riot Squad would have killed each other years ago if wiser heads hadn't quickly put in a no politics rule, and extended that to the message boards.) I don't consider national flags (except as we've seen, for nations at war) politics, and I don't consider a rainbow flag politics at this point, or a "Down with racism" banner. Soccer players and fans are a very mixed bag, and I want to welcome as many as possible.

      So, Dennis Davila and Proud Boys. You know, it reminds me of a song my mom used to sing to me as a little baby. It was called, "Don't Get Caught On Social Media Committing Crimes." There is a festival of evidence against these losers, and they're using NYCFC to legitimize their agenda. Of course they should be banned for their politics, because their politics is violence. Don Garber and NYCFC got some really bad legal and PR advice on this topic.
       

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    15. Beau Dure

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      When a bunch of people waving rainbow flags commit genocide, let me know. I would imagine the LGBTQ community would switch to a different emblem, just as the German flag of 2019 most pointedly does not include a freaking swastika.

      This is hard, but it's not THAT hard.
       
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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      Loney Tunes? Or Loney Toons?

      Maybe a matter of who sponsored your equipment deal in '96. Nike liked musical references, adidas was a little more euro-trad.

      For that matter, who's displayed Nazi paraphernalia more proudly or frequently than DC United?
       
    17. Honore de Ballsac

      Oct 28, 2005
      France.

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      Also: [​IMG]
       
    18. Honore de Ballsac

      Oct 28, 2005
      France.

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
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      Rebrand coming?
       
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    19. Honore de Ballsac

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      (Just being wryly dumb here, not trying to offend y'all or stick up for Nazis.)
       
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    20. mschofield

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      Slopes are only slippery if they are not cleanly defined. The above argument, noting that Nazi soccer fans are certainly able to attend matches as long as they are fans first, Nazis only outside the confines of the stadium seems quite definite. A general rule, which seems to be what is being advocated, that there will be no tolerance for those using the gameday experience to espouse intolerance and violence towards other groups (Jews, gays, people of color, disabled people, etc) seems defined enough. In fact, it doesn't seem to be much of a slope, at all. It's pretty much high ground.
      It would be good business practice, and would probably be covered under the "don't shout fire in a crowded theater" exemption to free speech as it is encouraging public chaos and that becomes a public safety issue.
       
    21. mschofield

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      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      Smart argument, Mr. Loney. I would suggest that the anti-facist protests are missing a trick if their point is to spread a message of respect for others by using homemade banners. Instead, they should work with the clubs through the cover of the Kick it Out campaign.
      Regarding Wynalda, might not the real lesson of that story be that, eventually, everyone will toss something at him?
       
      Beau Dure and Dan Loney repped this.
    22. (They call him) RMc

      Jun 1, 2013
      Club:
      Celtic FC

      American Soccer - Disallowed Boys and Booty Call

      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      You can't ban "soccer comedy writers" from MLS stadiums, because no such animal exists.
       
    23. Dan Loney

      Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

      Mar 10, 2000
      Cincilluminati
      Club:
      Los Angeles Sol
      Nat'l Team:
      Philippines

      American Soccer - Disallowed Boys and Booty Call

      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      I AM NOT AN ANIMAL! I AM A HUMAN BEING!
       
    24. gunnerfan7

      gunnerfan7 Member+

      SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
      United States
      Jul 22, 2012
      Pleasanton, California
      Club:
      Arsenal FC
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      American Soccer - Disallowed Boys and Booty Call

      By Dan Loney on Mar 9, 2019 at 1:59 AM
      If we're going to split hairs, they were just following capitalism by instituting State control of industry, at which point the altruism's supposed to kick in. The dictatorship part is straight out of the Marxist playbook. It's just supposed to dissolve itself.

      And I'm not one for arguing that you can't wear a Marx shirt or anything, but I'm getting the sense that the "real Communism was never tried" suggestion is not far behind that.
       

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