Alfredo Morelos - Rangers F.C

Discussion in 'Colombians Abroad' started by Baal88, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Aston Villa is supposedly keen on buying him in January. This would be a great move for him, they actually play pretty good soccer and basically attack like crazy and are going to surprise a lot of teams this year. Their coach for an Enlgishmen has very progressive tactics and even though they came up form the championship it would be a very good place for a forward like Morelos who would get lots of chances to finish and it would be a big step up competition wise.
     
  2. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    Would be cool for Juan Pablo Angel connection nostalgia too.

    But how does he compare to the Brazilian guy who is starting for them right now? Would he just be his backup on the bench?
     
  3. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #428 pepinointer, Oct 21, 2019
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    wesley imho is having a good season despite bieng a newbie in epl......im not so sure why they want another forward........so morelos will starts as back up.

    but i think that in this point is just a rumour....
     
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  4. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Realistically if you want to do anything you need two serviceable forwards at least in the top leagues. Wesley is doing well, but he's also not been hugely prolific outside of the game against Norwich where he was on fire. They are also a bit different styles of players, so its nice to have a different option Wesley is more of a true Target man and Morelos imo is more mobile and I'd say is more of a pure goal scorer than Wesley. I think its safe to say that especially if he moved in January he'd start on the bench but I would think if the coach is really targeting him and also based on the two players I'd say Morelos would have a very good chance at winning the spot or at least splitting time.

    I want Morelos to move somewhere bigger and really be tested, I think this is close to the best case scenario for a big league where he'll be on a team that attacks and creates chances. I think its hard to think there are many other scenarios that would be attacking, in a big league and not have at least some competition for him at striker to walk into. He can easily go to smaller leagues and find a good spot, and Italy or Spain would be probably a lot of options to be fair. EPL is riskier but if teams from the EPL which tend to scout Scotland are in for him then they'll likely price out Spain and Italy options, especially with a guy like Gerrard as his manager who would have a lot of credibility with EPL managers.
     
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  5. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

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    are differents styles.........but the spot will be for one.......
     
  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    Now Morelos with a goal!
    Diaz 1-Morelos 1
     
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  7. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
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    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
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    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Scoring machine. Colombia is holding the Europa league
     
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  8. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  9. kromekote

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  10. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Porto is a good team with a good defense, so sure Morelos is playing in a weak league but he produces against good teams in Europe when he gets the chance. I will say there was a call that didn't go his way in the first half and he lost his shit to the ref, I don't think he got a card but he was really pissed and screaming at the ref, he needs to work on his anger.
     
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  11. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    Wow @villus i enter to this thread to say exactly the same.

    taking account that there is a poster that always despise morelos perfromance because he is in a weak league.
     
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  12. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
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    Arsenal FC
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    Colombia
  13. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    What weird that a "colombian person" love tweets that to praise a colombian, have to mention pablo escobar.......
     
  14. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
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    FC Internazionale Milano
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    Yea it’s funny italians use fictional bad asses to sound cool

    Europeans don’t get Comparing a Colombian to Pablo is like comparing an Italian to Mussolini or a German to hitler
     
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  15. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Not even remotely similar. Escobar is not a representative of Colombia as a people or as a country. He was an evil man, but at the end of the day he was a criminal who murdered his way into status and the small official position he held.

    Hitler and Mussolini were elected executives who lead their countries into the darkest parts of their histories, effectively darkening ALL of human history in the process. Moreover, their respective populaces largely worshiped them. That's why the comparison would offend, if it did. The collective shame.

    And let's not make this out to be a Eurocentric faux pas, when half of the big name American hip hop artists who blew up in the 90s used to refer to Escobar as some kind of role model. (along with Tony Montana, just to refer back to your weird point about fictional characters...)

    Are we really that sensitive?
     
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  16. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

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    For a lot of americans and euros colombia is escobar and he was our beloved leader.

    For me isnt funny, we have bad reputation because people like him.......germany, italy doesnt have.

    With colombian passport you cant enter free to UK for example, not the case for other latin countries with similar problems of violence and poverty....obviously this is contributed by people like escobar......yeah, i m senstive that a fuking british make jokes when his government have anti colombians polices....so i think that is more than a joke is a big prejudice, that for me isnt funny.

    That is my position, you cant agree or disagrre and calling me sensitive.......but for me celebrate those type of comments....just have created donald trumps, that governed countries with arguments that prior were jokes of red necks...
     
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  17. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    But you know very well Furnaccio is not one of those people. And you used this to question his Colombianness when you put that in quotes...

    In the generations immediately following WWII, Germany and Italy did not have good reputations.

    That they (Italy and Germany) don't have bad reputations now is SUPER subjective. Most people I've met from around the world mention coffee, women, and food as a reason they'd like to visit Colombia if given the opportunity. Certain foreigners who are either poorly educated on current events, fixate on certain depictions of our history in different media, or simply have their own opinions, do associate Colombia with negativity. But that's certainly not everyone.

    Germany and Italy have poor reputations for several different aspects, but, I'll agree, most of the world now look at Hitler and Mussolini as aberrations of a distant past for them.

    The reasons for that, I think, are twofold:
    1) a lot of time and a lot of good PR. But at least ALL people still remember Hitler and Mussolini as the evil men they were whereas most people cannot name you a single person in a position of command for Imperial Japan. On scale, they committed atrocities far worse than Italy. But that's postwar global economics at play...

    2) Hitler, Mussolini, and WWII in general, for a LONG time, had become things you just couldn't mention in Italy and, especially, Germany. Knowingly bringing up these words to Italians and Germans was the equivalent of saying Voldemort in the Harry Potter universe. You're just not supposed to do it.

    I definitely think that a HUGE stimulus for this recent nationalist/populist takeover in Italy has to do with this ingrained attempt to suppress and dis acknowledge they're fascist, nationalist past. Instead of openly talking about and criticizing themselves and their own pasts, they tried sweeping it under the rug. Of course, as is often the case, several older people never fully let those ideas go and several younger generations with nothing to do with that past curiously started looking under the rug. Things started festering, and then it exploded last year.

    But just like WE are not Escobar, the guy who made the post is NOT the government who've decided to enact those laws. The majority of the British public have next to no clue what the laws are about entering the UK from most countries, much less what the hell goes on in Colombia.

    However, the sensitivity I'm referring to has nothing to do with the British state. Again, as Furn stated, we can't even be sure the guy who posted it even lives in the UK or is even a Ranger fan. To me, conflating political issues to a random guy's post is a bit sensitive.

    My real point: I think it's quite sensitive when you consider that the guy is CLEARLY a fan of Morelos--a COLOMBIAN--and that his post is meant to be humorous.

    You can have your opinion. But I think the more we let Pablo speak to who we are, the more we allow people to use Pablo to speak to who we are. He was not our Hitler or Mussolini. Not even close.

    Donald Trump's presidency was created purely by the media. This dude was on national television for years just for being a jerk. "You're fired" literally became a catchphrase.

    This dude had very little shot at winning the presidency until EVERY single news outlet, paper, and moronic social media "reporter" started reporting EXACTLY what the fool was saying at every single press conference thinking it would do him in. The guy is not intelligent, nor a good person. But he must know something about marketing, because he understood bad press is still press and then dialed it up by a thousand.

    Every republican candidate hated his guts and said so throughout the entire campaign. We're stuck with him now because he's a loud, boisterous fool, and this is EXACTLY the kind of person the media has been training us to look at for years.

    SEVERAL people voted for him strictly for entertainment purposes. He's literally a troll, and the internet generation loves trolls. The other big portion that voted for him, besides republicans who always vote republican, were the people who harbor those ignorant things he's said and hate that they're not allowed to voice them. Again, a problem with festering. Those views have not been celebrated in the media for a couple decades now. Just like with Italy, Trump triggered the explosion.

    PS: I'm not even going to get into the irony of you using "red necks" to end your post...
     
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  18. Bomb8

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    #443 Bomb8, Oct 31, 2019
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    I think the reputation of Italy and Germany has always been good is because people around the world know a lot about those countries. To Europeans and Americans Hitler and Mussolini are part of "everybodys" history, not just history of Germany and Italy.

    Escobar on the other hand is the only thing people know about Colombia. if there weren't Escobar and drugs, Colombia would be like Ecuador. People around the world don't know anything about Ecuador. Maybe that's not a bad thing? Sad and annoying yes, but you have to start somewhere.

    I usually don't get pissed when Americans/Europeans mention Escobar. To them he is like Al Capone, just a cool mafioso. For some reason people like to romanticize mafia bosses. The truth of course is different, but people don't mention his name to be mean.
     
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  19. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
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    Arsenal FC
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    Colombia
    Very well written and thank you. Some people love to throw shade and have difficulty understanding humor/sarcasm.

    After Morelos 2nd goal, the twitter feedback was extremely positive on the whole with a couple of ridiculous comments from people who were likely trying to be funny - on the whole Im super excited that there is a part of Europe who rate Morelos highly at the moment.

    hopefully Morelos can continue to be a force to reckoned with at both club/country levels
     
  20. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    #445 pepinointer, Oct 31, 2019
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    When you tolerate racist jokes to have friends in usa....despite you beign tiny and latin face

    It would be funny and "sarcastic" if people wouldnt be abused by officers in airports because a colombian passport........thanks to that "imaginarium".....so isnt just "you are sensitive" or an issue of not understand sarcasm....is a fuking innecesary comparison with an sportsman ...no matter if it is a joke

    The world is horrible, bassicaly because the behaviours and comments are "acceptable" but at the same time have double standards with the sensitive of another countries ......
     
  21. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

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    Avon,CT
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    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Colombia has coffee and is usually in the finals to miss universe so. Don’t think we would be exactly like Ecuador :)

    You also get that for Italians/Germans they just say they are Americans or Europeans. They are white and just look like the rest of them.

    associating us to a violent psycho path is just another way of making us the “other”

    I explained that to people in my last job when they were like why does what trump say make you mad. You aren’t Mexican.

    or when they are like cool do you know people who knew Escobar he was a badass. Maybe if his life was a movie or a video game but he ordered someone to blew up a goddamn plane with children in it. He also died almost 20 years ago and the image people have of Colombia is that. That is why when we did really well in 2014 only Colombian people mentioned to me for a while was James.
     
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  22. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    Actually in 3 years would be 30. Imagine people making jokes and sarcasm outloud of hitler in 1980.....just double standards.

    And i accept if they do with a criminal, terrorist.....not with a sportman.


    That the world is ignorant isnt ok.
     
  23. Bomb8

    Bomb8 Member

    Jun 19, 2017
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    Who cares if people make "racist" (it's not racism IMO) jokes about Colombians? I don't want to sound like a bitter and angry feminist who thinks (or wishes) she's oppressed. If Colombians want to be treated with respect, they better start acting like they deserve it.

    When people make fun of Colombians I just laugh and then crush them like ants.
     
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  24. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    #449 pepinointer, Oct 31, 2019
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    Who cares? The officers in migration that abuse and discriminate colombian people because of this passport.....maybe you dont know when you have a passport of finland

    That jokes then become policies like the one of trump for example against mexicans....so the lenguage is powerfull

    Act like they deserve? So what you mean all colombians are narcos and bad people...is a population of 50 million.

    For that reason i care....keep laughing about double standards and prejudice that then become choice criterias of work selection....

    Morelos is a spotrman not a criminal...celebrate comparisons with him and a terrorist just cant happen....

    I imagine the scandal if a german player is compared with hitler.....but i imagine as quoting your words german does deserve respect not like colombians.
     
  25. Bomb8

    Bomb8 Member

    Jun 19, 2017
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    #450 Bomb8, Oct 31, 2019
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    I was talking about Escobar. I didn't say Colombians are bad or narcos. What I mean is you have two options: start crying about everytime someone says something ignorant about Escobar, or ignore it. I'm not going start a conversation about airoports or Trump.

    And for a person who talks about double standards and the power of language, you insult too many posters here to have credibility.
     

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