Aaron Ramsey Jr thread - First Blood

I personally think Arsene will rotate Arteta, Ramsey and Wilshere (upon his return) in the two more attack-oriented midfielder roles. I think any of those pairings presents the opposition with problems.

Ramsey-Wilshere: Jack can play in a deeper lying role and provide service to Ramsey
Wilshere-Arteta: Jack moves further up the pitch and links with RVP while Arteta continues in his established role
Arteta-Ramsey: more of the same from this increasingly solid pairing

The real beauty of Wilshere's ability is he can slot into both an attacking and defensive role, he has the ability to thrive in either role.

 

or Hleb, or a 26 year old Rosicky.

and truth be told, we haven't been consistently sexy since those days.

 

He created a chance from open play more often than any player in the top 5 Euro leagues.

If that's what you classify as poor, I hope Ramsey and Wilshere can be just as poor.

 

Idk why I even engaged a dude named Wellington Silva, lol.

he wasnt close to poor when he played last year (or when he played healthy)

he was one of the most creative players in Europe still.

Was he below the standard he set the year before, yes. But poor is ridiculous. RVP has 40 goals this calender year. If he ends up with 30 next year, would that be poor? no. It would be a great season, but not as great as his all time best.

 

effort wise, defensively and in terms of penetrating with the ball he took a step back

his much more direct play compared to the previous year imo makes it a poor year (by standards he set)

i like the new look of our team, the midfield is balanced, wilshere should look at artetas positioning and learn to hold back more imo as ramsey is the better 'advanced' player of the 2

 

while i agree that they are different type of players who, when played together, seems like they would fit well and complement each other, i still don't see how playing with wilshere will make up for ramsey's supposed "poor close control" ("His close control is frustratingly poor, but wilshere could make up for that when they play together"). playing alongside wilshere isn't going to make up for ramsey having "poor close control" anymore than than playing alongside van persie isn't going to make up for bendtner's poor close control.

i will say, thought, that i agree that wilshere was outstanding last season up until around february or march when he ran out of gas. and my opinion happens to match your assessment that he was the engine that made that midfield work because he was better than just about anyone we had/have at showing for the ball at the right time and finding the right pass to move the ball onto (before he was broken, rosicky was about as good).

 

i thought wilshere did a good job of this last season as well but i think you're right arteta has done a great job of dropping back at the right time (though i think song has been much more judicious about his forays). i hope wilshere is watching him and some of the stuff he does.

 

Do i need to point out that no one has said wilshere is far better going forward than fabregas?

 

Although some people on here have problems seeing it ramseys close control is not great, mainly when hes put under pressure by his opponent, wilshere playing next to him would make up for it because we need a player that can take the ball in any situation no matter how little space there is. Atm the player most capable of it is arteta but hes just not as good at it as wilshere, and at times we're asking ramsey to do too much. With wilshere next to him ramsey can relax knowing his midfield partner can open up space for him. Atm its ramseys job to try and make something out of a congested midfield, and that aint one of his strengths because of his loose control

 

you did?

 

I think I figured that out! He was actually comparing Arteta and Jack to each other and not to Cesc. However the way it was written it did look like he was saying Arteta was better than Cesc defensively and Jack was far better going forward.

 

Yeah it did look like that actually. I should've quoted the comment i was responding to and the context would've been clearer. But yeah i was comparing wilshere and arteta not fabregas

 

oh...oh well

another debate done and dusted.

 

Even though he didn't score today, the power of Rambo is obviously immense...

A bit intriguing how prophetic this is, actually.

 

I'm disappointed that there's only one post about Kim Jong-Il in this thread

 

This is why optimism should be high around Ramsey.

He's a baller. Loves the game. Hungry to be the man. He's going to be very good.

 

I'm a big fan, but he needs a rest. Has for the last month, really.

 

Seriously. He just looks absolute lifeless out there at times. Give the kid a rest.

Rosicky and Arteta in the middle should be fine.

 

I totally agree. Huge fan of Rambo, but the kid needs a rest. Mature beyond his years. Cannot think of anyone else at AFC playing his first full season as a fit player and asked to do so much for a top level club. I think Wenger is worried about lack of speed when Rambo is out. I could see a Coq - Ramsey/Benayoun - Arteta MF getting the job done against lesser teams.

 

i wonder if it was his own idea (or wenger at half) but he really paved the way for us to look like we could, you know, ACTUALLY SCORE by starting to make runs into the attacking third. our other penalty was due to a defender following his lead and being caught from behind. we really looked lifeless after that...maybe he was just too tired to do it the entire game (i agree he majorly needs a rest). this RvP alone crap is not effective if nobody makes runs within 20 yards of him.

 

completely agree.

I'd like to see Song-Arteta-Rosicky.

 

Personally, i'd like to see Arshavin get a game in the middle. Especially if we've got some starting fullbacks ready to go. He does give the ball away too much, but i still think that he could make things happen. Call me crazy.