A move toward a spring season?

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  1. PlaySimple

    PlaySimple Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Chicagoland
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    Manchester United FC
    US Soccer launches 2018 Spring Men's College Soccer Program.

    CHICAGO (Feb. 07, 2018) – As part of its ongoing effort to develop world class players, coaches, and referees, U.S. Soccer is launching the Spring College Program in collaboration with six Division I Men’s Soccer programs. Starting in March, the six college programs will face one another over the course of seven weeks, culminating with an event at Wake Forest University on April 21.

    The six Division I Men’s Soccer programs participating are: Clemson, Duke, Georgetown, North Carolina, Virginia and Wake Forest.

    More here: https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/20...cer-launches-2018-spring-mens-college-program
     
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  2. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Other than the substitutes, how is this different from a normal spring season?

    I mean, I admit I'm intrigued but I need to know this isn't just lipstick on a pig.
     
  3. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
    United States
    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How is Maryland not involved in this?
     
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  4. torwart

    torwart Member

    Jan 22, 2010
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    Liverpool FC
    Looks like a good move in the right direction for college soccer and good to see US Soccer finally getting involved, even in this small bit. I'll be interested to see if and where this leads. At first glance it looks better than a typical spring season because NONE of those programs or anyone else in the country that I've seen would play that difficult of a slate of games to begin with. Also- looks like there's a championship or something on the line for teams to play for instead of 1-off games. This seems more like a real league with a championship at the end.

    It will be very interesting to see what happens to these games from a quality stand point when college teams are forced to deal with 3 subs. Gotta give the advantage to teams that have some depth in the spring! Regardless- good move by US Soccer and fortunate for those schools involved.
     
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  5. PlaySimple

    PlaySimple Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Chicagoland
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    #5 PlaySimple, Feb 8, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2018
    I initially thought the same thing. How is this different, or better, than a normal spring season?

    Reading what towart wrote, above, I agree about the level of competition for the games. Most schools would not otherwise be playing that grueling of a spring schedule.

    The advantages of this thing, as I see it:

    • In the article it is mentioned that the program will provide "standards-based competition." I assume that this is something along the lines of what is implemented in the USSDA program.
    • Another advantage is listed as being that US Soccer Scouts can observe matches and potentially expand the pool of the US Olympic and National teams. I'm not sure how big of an advantage that this is since scouts can just observe spring contests anyway. I guess that it could be argued that this will guarantee that the matches will be of a higher quality and level so therefore the observations will be more meaningful.
    • The USSDA rules of a maximum game day roster of 18 and no reentry will apply.
    • US Soccer will provide game day data analysis and coaching education.
    • This program is to drive development in "Zone 3" (18+) as was addressed by US Soccer. I'm not sure hat that means but US Soccer has probably laid out some standards that are to be addressed.
    I want to be optimistic that this will be a good program but given the recent track record of US Soccer, I'm skeptical. It is stated that at the conclusion of the 2018 program that applications will be opened up for the 2019 program. If the program is successful I would like to see it expanded and some of the other top programs join in - Stanford, Indiana, Akron, etc.

    One disadvantage that I see with this pertains to the max roster size of 18 and the no reentry. Many programs use the spring season as a means to identify players for the next season. It seems that some players will get shorted playing time that they were counting on to make an impression.
     
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  6. jeffconn

    jeffconn Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    Norfolk, VA, USA
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    Hampton Roads Piranhas
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    United States
    For what it's worth, the article doesn't state that there is a limit on the number of substitutions, just that once you're out of the game, you stay out.
     
  7. PlaySimple

    PlaySimple Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The article doesn't state that there is a limit on the number of subs but it does state:

    "It provides us with additional opportunities to identify more players for Youth National Teams and for the Olympic Team in an environment that mirrors the international game.”

    FIFA's Laws of the Game say explicitly that only three substitutes are allowed in any match played in an official competition organized under the auspices of FIFA. But in international friendlies, you're allowed up to six.

    Theoretically, since it is stated that there is a game day roster size of 18, there could be 7 subs.
     
  8. Vilhelm

    Vilhelm Member

    Sep 9, 2005
    Would like to have seen more conferences represented. Maybe that is for the future. Or possibly a yearly rotation by region (SE, NE, MW, W, etc.).

    Also, with a maximum game day roster of only 18, UNC will need two teams.
     
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  9. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
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    So is this an attempt by the USSF to wrangle D1 soccer away from the NCAA???
     
  10. boxcar123

    boxcar123 Member

    Nov 15, 2012
    US Soccer did Nike schools only.

     
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  11. PlaySimple

    PlaySimple Member

    Sep 22, 2016
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    Maryland isn't involved and they are obviously an Under Armour school. I believe that Akron & Indiana are Adidas schools. Stanford is Nike so I guess they'll be accepted in 2019 if they want in.

    I hadn't yet drawn a conclusion about if the program was going to be good or not but if it constrained by some corporate/political crap then the value of it is diminished in my eyes.
     
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  12. Vilhelm

    Vilhelm Member

    Sep 9, 2005
    Nothing is free.
     
  13. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
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    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Surely, you jest!

    (Apparently not.)
     
  14. bustos21

    bustos21 Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    NJ
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It would be interesting if they had the winner of the spring tournament to have a automatic bid for the NCAA tournament. Then it is something to play for. It would be make the spring season a little different from the current spring season.
     
  15. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
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    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing to see here. Just a "rebranded" spring season. Seriously, USSF/MLS is overselling this as more than what it is.

    Going by FIFA rules? 18-man gameday roster, cool. Most DI programs probably have roughly 18 players anyway in the spring. When I was coaching in college, the most I ever had was 21 for a spring. I know some area schools have less than 15. Ohio State has ALWAYS invited some of the OSU club players for extra bodies for their spring season.

    NCAA regulations still apply. Rules differences are nothing. Colleges can install whatever rules they want for their exhibitions, which is all the spring season is anyway. This is really a laughable reach by USSF/MLS in marketing this as something special.
     
  16. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    But, there's a trophy!
     
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  17. theatric7

    theatric7 Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    So I'm curious about this whole U.S soccer spring program, why is it so hard to find results for games other than a tweet from the winning team. No breakdowns of games, no video. I'm not sure how this has better advertised the college game for the Spring season.
     
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  18. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    MD is involved. They are supplying their field for Georgetown to play 2 of their matches (UNC, WF).
     
  19. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's like any other spring...it doesn't matter to anyone. It's a made up "marketing" scheme to make it appear something is special. It's not.

    On another note about the "full year calendar" side of things, I talked with a former DI coach who was involved in proposals when he was coaching. He said EVERY year they brought it up for proposal and it was instantly shot down. DI programs don't even want the move themselves. Why? Because they know if they move to that schedule their soccer program will be cut instantly. Many programs share fields, AT staff, locker rooms, etc. No way will a move benefit those programs because it'd just be cheaper to cut soccer instead of increase funding, scheduling, maintenance, etc.
     
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  20. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
    United States
    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with most of your points. But any joint venture between USSF, MLS and NCAA must generally be interpreted as a positive step.
     
  21. Vilhelm

    Vilhelm Member

    Sep 9, 2005
    A made up marketing scheme that isn't marketed. Interesting.
     
  22. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How is a positive step? There's nothing different with it than any other spring setup.

    FIFA rules? That's a joke to say that's the "difference" in this. So, they have 18 man rosters, limited subs, count-up clock, etc. Anyone, anytime, anywhere can do the same in spring. Many programs don't even have 18 man rosters in the spring, so that's not even a rule that is important.

    I've seen it marketed. They "blew it up" when it was signed on. I saw the results from the first weekend. I saw highlights. It is a marketing scheme that this USSF "partnership" is actually meaningful.
     
  23. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
    United States
    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is not meaningful, impactful change that we would all want. But these three organizations mostly ignore each other. So, any sort of admittedly lame collaboration is something better than we had before. And it is something on which to build. Success is incremental.
     
  24. DiegoGambeta

    DiegoGambeta New Member

    Feb 5, 2012
    Unless they change the weirdly restrictive practice rules (contact hours) for the spring, it doesn't matter how you dress up the 5 or so games played in the spring. It's the time span from December until May where the training is lacking that creates the lost years gap. Unless I haven't been keeping up. Isn't it like 2 contact hours a week that can involve the ball? Or maybe that has changed?
     
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  25. PlaySimple

    PlaySimple Member

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