NSR: A gun on Every Corner: Discuss the NRA, Gun Ownership and All Those Non-Mass Shootings..

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Do we need more strict gun laws?

  1. Repeal the second baby!

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    51.4%

  2. We need better mental healthcare..

    38 vote(s)
    36.2%

  3. A discussion on the topic would be interesting..

    29 vote(s)
    27.6%

  4. That's Liberul talk for them to take may gunz!

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  5. You can pry my gun from my cold dead hands..

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  1. JBigjake

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    #76 JBigjake, May 5, 2015
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    Should be "No-cash-on-premises & Carry"!
    What a quote from the dead rapist's mom:
    "In a brief conversation with 17-year-old's mother, she told FOX6 that everything was being unfairly pinned on her son and that his name was being dragged through the mud."
    A follow-up article:
    http://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/index.ssf/2015/04/gadsden_police_investigating_a_4.html
    "Police identified the gunman as 27-year-old military veteran Sergio Daniel Valencia del Toro ... he apparently was upset over a fight with his ex-fiancee earlier in the day. ... Valencia del Toro had served in the Air Force. It's unclear whether he ever served overseas, according to Air Force officials. A U.S. Army spokesman said he joined the Michigan National Guard after he left the Air Force in March 2014. He joined the Wisconsin National Guard in March 2015. The University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh said he was a second-semester freshman there. ...
    Erin Stoffel's brother said people should stop praying about an end for gun violence and take action. "Instead of praying, do something. Do something about guns ... When you kill, you can't take it back. Nobody needs a gun.""

    The problem is, that on one side, there are people who would prefer that others be raped & terrorized in their own homes, or robbed at work, rather than permit people to defend themselves with firearms; while others are willing to tolerate a high level of gun deaths, in their desire to preserve a right to possess & carry firearms that they will most likely never need to use.
     
  2. JBigjake

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  4. dapip

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    #79 dapip, May 6, 2015
    That is very inaccurate. Question: Out of the 30,000 of so gun deaths that happen every year in the US, how many are people that were attacking, threatening, robbing or being a menace to others? What percentage were suicides, murder suicides or just ol' accidental discharges?
     
  5. El Chuma

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    #80 El Chuma, May 6, 2015
    “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”

    ― Sigmund Freud
     
  6. Dr. Wankler

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    #81 Dr. Wankler, May 6, 2015
    And in what work did Freud write this?
     
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    #82 dapip, May 6, 2015
    A gun is psychologically a penis-substitute and a symbol of power: the age-range of toy-shop clientele begins at about six or seven, rises sharply just before puberty and declines soon after the discovery of the phallus and its promise of power. From then on, guns are for kids and for the effete freaks and misfits who must seek psycho-orgasmic relief by shooting pheasants.


    Adam Hall, The Quiller Memorandum
     
  8. Kobranzilla

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    #83 Kobranzilla, May 6, 2015
    does this hold true for someone who owns/owned an Iroc Z ?
     
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    #84 Dr. Wankler, May 6, 2015

    Have you tracked it down yet? I suspect not.

    [​IMG]
     
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    #85 El Chuma, May 6, 2015
    Who is this I have never heard of him...
     
  11. dapip

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    #86 dapip, May 6, 2015
    I'll answer when you find Freud's quote..
     
  12. El Chuma

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    #87 El Chuma, May 6, 2015
    • A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
      • This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages inDreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner:
    Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of — in any event, he does not cite — other passages more relevant to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The point here is only that those views provide no support for the penis theory of gun ownership.Due to misreading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an opinion about Freud's ideas has been wrongly attributed to Freud himself, and specifically to his 10th Lecture "Symbolism in Dreams" inGeneral Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages:alt.quotations, uk.politics.guns, talk.politics.guns, can.talk.guns , etc.One of the statements by Freud which Kates summarized from in Dreams in Folklore (1958), p. 33, reads: "The representation of the penis as a weapon, cutting knife, dagger etc., is familiar to us from the anxiety dreams of abstinent women in particular and also lies at the root of numerous phobias in neurotic people."
     
  13. dapip

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    #88 dapip, May 6, 2015
    And everyone knows that gun control advocacy is penis envy, according to a very lose and far-fetched interpretation of a pansexual sexist analyst from the early 20th century.

    However, I share his views on fetichism for inanimate objects as a way to compensate for lack of other qualities.
     
  14. JBigjake

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    #89 JBigjake, May 7, 2015
    It doesn't matter. Those who are in favor of firearms don't care how many others die, so long as they have their guns, in case the remote occasion of self-defense arises. Those who are against firearms, don't care how many could have defended themselves with guns, because more die from their misuse.
     
  15. dapip

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    #90 dapip, May 7, 2015
    This I kind of agree. Basically because statiscally speaking it is more likely that a gun will be used against a member of the owner's family than to prevent an agression from a stranger. Furthermore, if the crime is against property, no matter how valuable it is and how rotten the life of the perp is, life is infinitely more valuable and should not be dispossed off so easily.
     
  16. dapip

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/...ad_n_7226260.html?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016

    In 2013, nearly 3,100 guns from crime scenes in other states were traced back to Georgia, according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. And between 2006 and 2009, Georgia was the leading source of firearms used for crimes in other states, according to a report from Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
    Boyce added when he revealed the origin of Blackwell's gun that police have recovered eight other weapons in New York City that were stolen from the Georgia bait and tackle shop.
    There are a number of ways in which Georgia's laws enable its central role in the Iron Pipeline.
    The state has     no penalty for "straw purchasers," people who buy guns legally in one state and then sell them to gun traffickers who cross state lines. When the weapons end up at a crime scene in another state, straw purchasers can claim that the guns were lost or stolen. That’s because gun owners in Georgia aren’t required, as they are in many other states, to contact the police when their guns go missing.
    According to Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Georgia is also one of many states that does not require unlicensed sellers at gun shows to run criminal background checks on the people purchasing the weapons.​
     
  17. Dr. Wankler

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    #92 Dr. Wankler, May 7, 2015
    So in order to compensate for a flaccid ideology, you erect a monument of intellectual pretense by projecting a non-existent quote onto a Viennese intellectual of the last century?

    Fascinating.
     
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    #93 ceezmad, May 7, 2015
    Props for figuring out that the quote was not real.
     
  19. JBigjake

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    #96 soccernutter, May 8, 2015
    It was premature to put up that quote without proper reference, indicating a hardened truth that is not verified. Further, the explanation, though longer, is also one seems to have difficult putting their hands on the exact meaning from said Viennese intellectual.
     
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    #100 dapip, May 17, 2015
    God gunz grits?
     
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