2020 Olympic Qualifying Team

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  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    We'd probably need a win in the third match. But we might be helped by the fact that the two countries we already played aren't eligible to advance out of CONCACAF. ;)
  2. Luksarus

    Luksarus Member

    United States
    Jul 27, 2018
    There are several talented players in this group; Now we have to see if the coach can exploit that talent and get us to qualify directly.
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  3. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member

    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Yes. Egypt was a respectable opponent (better than all but the top couple CONCACAF opponents), and the tactics used in that game were basic to the point of hindering our potential for a positive result. I think the Holland game is more indicative of what this team is capable of, and there is no excuse for an unsuccessful qualification tournament.
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  4. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The players got unusually late notice for an international and didn't arrive until a couple days ahead of time. And the manager had just been announced. Then he tinkered a lot in the first match, before getting serious in the 2nd with nearly his best xi. He made the adjustment to press. It resulted in a massive improvement to the point they out-played probably one of the better u-23 sides in the world on their side of the pond. So I'd imagine they would emerge out of a weak region while playing at home (presumably).

    But when it matters more they'd probably allocate the senior u-23 players like McKennie, Adams, and Pulisic to Olympic qualifiers instead. And get more starters for their club teams released. So they wouldn't even need to qualify with that outfit.

    I think fans should be pretty optimistic about the U.S.' chances coming out of those matches, not only to qualify, but to make a run. On paper we could assemble a very strong squad if it's prioritized, which I think it will this time. Many more games to compile info for the senior squad, and showcases so those players can advance their careers professionally.
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  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Must admit Sabbi was my personal disappointment. I thought he was going to shine.

    This is the full Egypt-USA game:

  6. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    I think too much is made over individual performances in these games. These are two friendly games with a group of players who were playing their first U-23 games of this cycle.

    We already know which players are good and which players aren't. Unless you haven't seen these players play yet, and admittedly one or two I hadn't seen play that much (Lindley, Pos), there isn't a lot you can take from these games.
  7. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Watching the effort 4 years ago, I felt that team had talent. But it was inexperienced and young. The tournament format is goofy and the USA blew through the group stage, but that just gets you a knock out game. In that game, a good and older Honduras team was very physical and put the US off and they fell apart mentally a bit.

    The team that played Holland had quite a few professionals with a season or two under their belt. Anything can happen in a one off tournament, but I doubt any CCAF team outside Mexico could dominate Holland like we did.
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  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    FC Dallas
    Particularly because this is the first camp with a new coach and players are just now figuring out what's expected of them.

    This is the start of the process. Frankly, the sheer results against Egypt and Holland have no meaning to me.
  9. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
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  10. eliwood

    eliwood Member

    Jul 25, 2016
    Derrick Jones is a big man
  11. MuchoTakeItEasy

    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #7 (Sabbi?) has ginormous quads and it looks like Haji's jersey is 2 sizes too small haha
  12. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    6,4,18...They look not be messed with.
    Jones used to be 6'3 He looks to be a tad taller than Parks and Parks is said to be 6'4.
  13. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Too bad they aren't on a rugby team.
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  14. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Keaton Parks gave two post-camp interviews that offered insight into the link between the u23s and the senior side:

    Speaking to ESPN:
    Speaking to ProSoccer USA:
  15. Sombrerito

    Sombrerito Member

    United States
    May 6, 2018
    This is extremely encouraging to hear since the previous cycles were a shit show
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  16. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    Odd to see a goalkeeper smaller than his defense but I like the hungry-eyed, all business look of this group.
  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    You haven't seen the game against Egypt I guess.
  18. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    Makes little difference in the bigger picture. It's a process NOT a one game playoff. The objective is to qualify for the Olympics. Those who get hung up on one meaningless result or one isolated statistic don't see the soccer forest for the trees.
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  19. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    That's not a result. The "hungry-eyed" group is really poor. Like a dead end poor.
  20. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    Who said anything about a "result"? I said defining a group based on one match misses the point. Your point being that this group is really poor. Thank you for your opinion.
  21. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    You did.
  22. Real Corona

    Real Corona Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 19, 2008
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Looking at the starting lineup from that game.


    Horvath had just barely broken into getting playing in the Norwegian league. He's turned out to be a decent keeper.

    Okwuonu was never an MLS player and probably won't ever be.

    Miazga obviously one of the best senior players at his position right now. Was already an MLS veteran.

    Carter-Vickers was deep down the Spurs youth program. Hasn't really established himself as a pro yet.

    Serna ironically probably at the pinnacle of his career, fringe MLS players at htis point.

    Polster solid MLS rookie at the time who has had his career derailed a bit by injury.

    Trapp was a fringe MLS player at the time and has developed into standout MLS player now looks like he might be a senior XI

    Hyndman, like Serna was probably at the pinnacle of his career getting a few run outs with Fulham. Has never established himself as a pro.

    Gil our standout player at the time, like Serna and Hyndman was probably at the peak. Was only an average MLS players at the time though and now is damn near out of soccer.

    Kiesewetter, another player who might have been at the height of his value. Was playing in the 3rd division but had 2 bundesliga appearance by that point. Never had another. Had one season at the B2 level, but now in the forth tier.

    Morris, was destroying college soccer at the time of the game, outside of his rookie year has struggle to establish himself as an MLS player.

    So outside of Miazga, Trapp and maybe Horvath none of these guys made themselves into senior team level players. Average age of the starting lineup was 20.5. (Carter Vickers at 17 is the major difference between Honduras average age and the US)

    Honduras had two guys that played full seasons in La Liga and La Liga 2 squads. One MLS regular. And 5 guys who played senior team team games in qualifying where Honduras finished above us in the Hex. They also had far and away the best player on of the two groups with Anthony Lozano, if not the two best players with Alberth Elis. Average age of Honduras XI was 20.7.

    The honest truth here I think is that actually Honduras was a pretty good team. At the very least even to the squad of players we put out there and they played a smart counter attacking style and deservedly won.
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  23. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Yes, Honduras went the farthest in the Olympics of any CCAF team. That is why the format is so unforgiving. The USA could have been the second best team, not saying they were, but they could have been. But they and Honduras play a one off for the berth. USA wins every other game they are involved in but then have to play Colombia to get in.

    Unlucky and outclassed. The games were at home, which helped. But poorly marketed as always and poorly attended.
  24. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Probably have two quibbles.

    On Trapp: I think there's a contingent of fans, and definitely MLS insiders who like him, and plenty of us who think he's MLS quality and that's it. I don't think he's poor, I just think he's basically a very good player/standout for MLS circa 15 years ago, but now down the line, he doesn't really distinguish himself as a First XI international in the minds of anyone other than CBUS fans, the former CBus head coach, and MLS types and a minority of fans who like him. I don't think there's any consensus whatsoever that he's First XI caliber for the senior team (there is a contingent that would support that, including the HC, but it's kinda like Ricardo Clark and Robbie Findlay started in the Round of 16 in 2010 but was there any consensus to that? Nope. Heck, the message boards almost imploded when that lineup was announced. Trapp is a similar kinda player to me. There's people that think he belongs, at least against certain competition and certain kinds of formations, and there's people that don't.

    Morris: Kinda similar but in reverse for me. In this case I kinda think you're being harsh. He forced his way into the senior team conversation in '14-'15 w/apparently sterling performances in scrimmages, and camps, and then some great friendlies, had a real nice rookie season, struggled in '17 (though had his Gold Cup moment) then saw a year of his career wiped due to a serious injury (out what, fall of '17 until late winter early spring of '19), and now has started like gangbusters. I think to my mind that suggests that he's looked good for the US in '15 and '16, and early in '18, and had a '17 to forget. For me he's not really fringe, he's clearly a guy you'd call in to a camp for the US if the World Cup was in June of 2019 or 2020, and he'd be in that group of what 35 before they make the final cut down to 23. He'd be in the mix.

    The biggest concern, and based on your post you seem to feel the same way, is that we still don't know exactly what we have in him. Is he as good as his best days, is he as bad as his worst season? Is he something in-between? Is he a super-sub? Is there room for growth? I don't know the answer to any of these questions, but I do know that he opened a door this past month that had been closing nearly shut the previous 18 months or so, so who knows at this point. Maybe closing that door to begin with was quite a bit too harsh. I honestly don't know, but I do think he's in the mix, especially when you consider the dire situation at Forward:

    Altidore: Always hurt.

    Wood: Limited player or just always saddled with bad teams, or something in-between? I like how much of a fighter he is and think he could be a new Charlie Davies type fighter w/better play around him (think guys like Pulisic, Weah, Sargent, Adams, McKennie and other kids bubbling up? I tend to think he'd look much better w/them, then he has w/the mostly garbage we've been running out around him for three years.

    Novakovich: At this point I just assume he doesn't look good in camps (kinda like Trapp must look good in camps to get as much run as he does)

    Sargent: Really young, coaches seem to be waiting for more playing time.

    Weah: Winger/Forward: Seems on the cusp.

    Pulisic: Winger/Forward/AM: Stud.

    Zardes: The Keith Richards/Cockroach of our Forward position. Seems impervious to all evidence of his lack of top end talent when it comes to having a place in the squad.

    All the Scrubs Berhalter keeps bringing in instead: I need not name them. All the wing forwards/hacks that he insists on calling up over better talent.

    W/this situation in play, Morris seems ready made for a call up for at least the next six months going forward if not next 18.
  25. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Colombia outclassed us home and away without calling any of their Europe based U23 guys.

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