2019 WWC Referee Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by lil_one, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Prove? I asked a question posted in a site where I hoped there might be expertise to properly answer it. Thank you for your response. That defines the armband quite well, but does not define "captain" except by implication that it is the player wearing the armband.

    However, that's not the LOTG as most of us commoners know it.

    Another question came up and I can't find an answer - what is the procedure under the Tournament organizing rules to handle a protest due to referee error? I will rashly assume there are such rules, but my experience is limited to organizing and participating in youth soccer rules, where the Tournament Rules are displayed on or linked from the tournament web page. Is there similar access to WWC 2019 rules?
     
  2. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    That section clarifies the notion that captains have armbands.

    What's not clear to me, though, is that the captain is the one to get a card.

    From the LOTG: "The team captain has no special status or privileges but has a degree of responsibility for the behaviour of the team."

    So we're parsing the definition of "degree of responsibility." Is there a clarification somewhere that specifies that the captain gets a card for a team infraction? Or would it be the coach?
     
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  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FWIW it was SportingBilly who suggested the yellow. It's neither wise nor legally justified to caution the captain in that situation. So this whole deep dive into definitions is pretty useless IMO.
     
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  4. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    I agree in principle with this.
    But I still think carding the captain who straight out ignored her might have stopped some of the later antics
     
  5. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    I agree in principle with this.
    But I still think carding the captain who straight out ignored her might have stopped some of the later antics
     
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  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you label the knives in your house with definitions so you never accidentally cut yourself?
     
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  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Protests are allowed for misapplication of the laws and not for opinion calls.
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. Jesus. I never suggested that. I happen to think it’s a bad idea.
     
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  9. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's not a matter of the captain receiving a caution on behalf of the team. It's a matter of the referee telling the captain to re-start the play, and the captain refusing to do so.

    Sure, theoretically the referee could have made this instruction to anyone. But the captain is a natural choice that would be understood by anyone who is familiar with the game.
     
  10. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So that's clearly OFFINABUS for Cameroon #7.
     
  11. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    We can differ on the wisdom.
    But why is it not legally justified to card a player who straight out ignored her. It fits under delay. They didn’t center off until after the ref went back in and grabbed her again.

    The “captain” was only for identification, not a generic if you don’t know who to card, card the captain. She talked to a specific player and that player ignored her.
     
  12. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yikes...this crew did a great job of getting control thisback of game, and is completely choking on the home stretch.

    End the game!!!
     
  13. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1) End the game.
    2) That's a red.
    3) Letting a player say **** you to an injured player on the ground.

    From start to finish, that might be the craziest match I've watched in a long time.
     
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  14. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I absolutely think that’s a red card, but I don’t know what would’ve been served at that point by issuing it. This is one of those rare cases where I think looking the other way is actually the right thing to do.
     
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  15. balu

    balu Member

    Oct 18, 2013
    How many games in this WWC has VAR been the main talking point? And how many more? :(
     
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  16. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Through 95 minutes, I was about to say the ref did a really good job with a incredibly crazy match. The last three minutes though...
     
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  17. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there will be criticism of this crew, and some of it justified.

    But I do hope that due acknowledgement of how difficult this game was to manage is given. I was half-expecting a terminated match after the offside goal was called off. The match easily could have exploded, and it never quite did.

    It wasn't pretty, but they landed the plane, and think there is credit due for that.
     
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  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ignoring absolutely everything else, you can’t praise a crew that misses two red cards inside 12 minutes.
     
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  19. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    The yellow instead of red in the 4’ set the tone
     
  20. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    That looks non-responsive and mockingly abusive to me. Perhaps a moderator should step in here.
     
  21. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I agree. Is there a published mechanism for that?
     
  22. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll give the ref a break on that one. She's not in position to give that. The VAR let her down there.
     
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  23. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know it's buried in some FIFA World Cup document somewhere. It was used during the 2006 World Cup qualifiers to replay a match in Asia.
     
  24. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Referees are not coaches.
     
  25. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe 1, though I don't think that's so clear and obvious to completely declare it a failed game.

    I don't think the spit should have been a red card. She's not looking at the player when she spits. That's not a play to ruin a game over.
     
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