2019 Women's World Cup - DRAW

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  1. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    The draw is this weekend.
    How do you think the groups will turn out?

    Group A: France, Norway, China, Nigeria
    Group B: Canada, Sweden, New Zealand, Argentina
    Group C: Australia, Scotland, Jamaica, Brazil
    Group D: Germany, Italy, Japan, Chile
    Group E: USA, Netherlands, South Korea, South Africa
    Group F: England, Spain, Thailand, Cameroon

    Tom Sermanni of New Zealand against Canada would be great.
    He knows Canada well, and could maybe get a result against them.

    Group A is actually the Group of Death here.
    There are no easy victories.
     
  2. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
     
  3. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
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    Nat'l Team:
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  4. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
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    Alright, so I went through the whole simulator thing, and this is how it came out.

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  5. 59Amerinorsk

    59Amerinorsk Member

    Chicago Red Stars
    Norway
    Mar 31, 2017
    :cool: Hah...I made Group F the same as the 2000 OLY draw in which Norway ended up winning the OLY Gold Medal :thumbsup:
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  6. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
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    Papua New Guinea
    #6 WWC_Movement, Dec 7, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2018
    Out of every simulation, this is the most "Balanced" the draw can get.
    It's impossible to get every single group to be equal in rating.
    But this is the closest to a perfect balance as you can get.

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    Combined Team Rankings of Top 3 teams in each Group
    Group A:
    #28 (France #4, Japan #7, Italy #17, Jamaica #64)
    Group B: #34 (Canada #5, Sweden #9, New Zealand #20, Argentina #37)
    Group C: #38 (Germany #2, Brazil #8, Thailand #28, Nigeria #38)
    Group D: #38 (Australia #6, Norway #13, Scotland #19, Cameroon #49)
    Group E: #28 (USA #1, Spain #12, China #15, South Africa #50)
    Group F: #27 (England #3, Netherlands #10, South Korea #14, Chile #39)

    Now you might say, how can you have some groups as #38 and others as #28?
    This is where the pot #4 teams come in to play ....

    Nigeria and Cameroon are by far the most dangerous teams from pot #4.
    Notice how they get slotted in to Groups C and D (the #38 groups).

    Even though Argentina and Chile are both ranked higher than Cameroon in the FIFA rankings, top 3 teams of any group would rather have to face Argentina/Chile instead of Nigeria/Cameroon, from pot #4 in their group. Nigeria showed how much they improved in the last World Cup, and Cameroon made it to the knockout round. Nigeria and Cameroon are really the only pot #4 teams that have a realistic shot to advance to the Round of 16 (on paper). And the draw is officially drawn on 24 slips of paper.

    And even though Jamaica is #64, Chile is #39, and Argentina is #37, I consider all three of these teams to be equally dangerous from pot #4, but not as dangerous of course as Nigeria/Cameroon. Jamaica (#64), Chile (#39), and Argentina (#37), are the 3 weakest teams in this World Cup (when excluding the FIFA rankings). Thailand is the next weakest, and then South Africa is the next weakest after that.

    It's important for Thailand (who is by far the worst team from pot #3) to get drawn in the same group as Nigeria (the most dangerous team from pot #4), in order to optimize the balance of these groups. If Thailand gets drawn in the same group with either Chile, Argentina, Jamaica, or South Africa, then that group is automatically the Group of Fluff (the easiest group), and as a result there is no true balance.

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    If the groups truly draw out as the scenario reveals above, then we truly have some really good match-ups ....

    Group A: France vs. Japan (could this be the opener?)
    Group A: Italy vs. Jamaica (a clash in style, which style wins & gets 3rd place?)
    Group B: Canada vs. Sweden
    Group B: Canada vs. New Zealand (Tom Sermanni vs. Canada)
    Group C: Germany vs. Brazil (2 world powers in both genders. 2007 rematch)
    Group C: Brazil vs. Nigeria (encore classic match from the 1999 Quarterfinal)
    Group D: Australia vs. Norway (rematch of classic 2011 WWC group match)
    Group D: Kim Little vs. Cameroon (who wins out here for 3rd place?)
    Group E: USA vs. Spain (monster matchup. How far has Spain come?)
    Group E: USA vs. China
    Group E: China vs. Spain (very entertaining match here for 2nd place)
    Group F: England vs. Netherlands (rematch of 2017 Euro Semifinal)
    Group F: Netherlands vs. Korea (Dutch struggled against Asian teams in 2015)

    There are 3 all-Euro matches in Group play:
    France vs. Italy (these two nations don't get to play each other frequently)
    Norway vs. Scotland (old Norway vs. new Debutants from UEFA)
    England vs. Netherlands (Dutch pounded England in 2017 Euro. Revenge?)
     
  7. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #7 Lechus7, Dec 7, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2018
    Question remain will China throw Norway out from pot no. 2...

    FIFA standings at 28th September

    #13 Norway 1907
    #15 China 1876

    but since then:

    China 0 - 0 Portugal (Yongchuan)
    Finland 1 - 2 China (Yongchuan)
    China 2 - 0 Thailand (Yongchuan)
    China 10 - 0 Mongolia (EAFF)
    Hong Kong 0 - 6 China (EAFF)
    Chinese Taipei 0 - 2 China (EAFF)

    Sweden 2 - 1 Norway
    Japan 4 - 1 Norway
     
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  8. WWC_Movement

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    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    Norway is ranked #13, China is #15.
    Norway should be in pot #2.
     
  9. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pots confirmed. No surprises:

    Pot 1: France, USA, Germany, England, Canada, Australia
    Pot 2: Netherlands, Japan, Sweden, Brazil, Spain, Norway
    Pot 3: Korea Republic, China, Italy, New Zealand, Scotland, Thailand
    Pot 4: Argentina, Chile, Nigeria, Cameroon, South Africa, Jamaica

     
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  10. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    Actually for all their troubles China had lost 5 points same as Norway :laugh:
     
  11. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    USA, Sweden, Korea rep, Nigeria at least two of these probably three will end up in the same group.
    Good now I said it so we may actually not happen.
     
  12. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    USA, Sweden, China, Nigeria

    This is the WORST possible draw for the USWNT, out of all simulations.
    Sweden is the most dangerous team from pot #2 for USA.
    Pia's Sweden team hasn't lost to USA yet.
     
  13. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    I wouldn't take anyone from Pot 4 too lightly. All 6 could challenge some teams and pull some upsets.
     
  14. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
  15. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Group A:
    1. France
    2. South Korea
    3. Norway
    4. Nigeria
    Group B:
    1. Germany
    2. China
    3. Spain
    4. South Africa
    Group C:
    1. Australia
    2. Italy
    3. Brazil
    4. Jamaica
    Group D:
    1. England
    2. Scotland
    3. Argentina
    4. Japan
    Group E:
    1. Canada
    2. Cameroon
    3. New Zealand
    4. Netherlands
    Group F:
    1. USA
    2. Thailand
    3. Chile
    4. Sweden
     
  16. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
  17. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    USA gets off easy in Group F. Group of death - Group A. Or Group B or D?
     
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  18. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    DEAR or DEAR
    no
     
  19. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    It's a tough Group A

    But look on the bright side...

    At least people won't waste any more time predicting what the draw might be. :D


    That's an interesting mix, overall... should be a great tournament.
     
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  20. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    I'd say group of death is A. France should advance quite easily, considering they also have the home crowd advantage, but 2nd place is up for grabs.
    In group B I see Germany and Spain advance, but it's not like the other two teams are a blank.

    I could be wrong, but I feel like Group D isn't "of death" at all. I hope I am not wrong, but, Little or not Little, I can't really see Scotland and Argentina posing big problems to England and Japan.

    I am excited for Italy: I was wishing for a chance to advance for them and I guess there it is. Not easy at all for sure, but not as impossible as if they had got, for instance, USA + Netherlands. :coffee:

    USA get Sweden again? Well, the chance was anyway quite high. Chile was recently destroyed by USA in a double-header friendly match and Thailand aren't really there yet. Should be an eay group-stage for Ellis' team.

    The strongest teams from pot 2 tended to get the weakest teams from pot 1: just a case? :cautious:
     
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  21. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    I think Group B is the toughest--China and Spain will make life difficult for Germany.

    In Group A, France will be too strong for Norway and South Korea
    Group C: Australia and Brazil should go through
    Group D: England and Japan will go through
    Group E: I pick The Netherlands to beat Canada and win this group, with both going through.
    Group F: USA to go through easily and beat Sweden, with both going through
     
  22. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    #22 blissett, Dec 8, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2018
    There are always upsets in a World Cup. I am curious: where will they come from this time? :coffee:

    Of course, in a format that has the first two teams of each group and the four best third-placed teams advance, it's hard to have "real" upsets at group-stage, if we're talking about eliminations. But some big teams could find quite difficult paths ahead of them in the knock-out stage if they stumble too much in the first three matches.

    It's quite easy to assess which teams should "normally" advance, everyone can do that (even by simply reading at FIFA rankings). Where do you expect an upset could happen, instead? This, would be an interesting prediction!
     
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  23. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Germany will flop because I can already imagine Martina Voss Tecklenburg fielding players who shouldn't even be on the bench and playing players out of position
     
  24. Lea_Schueller

    Lea_Schueller New Member

    Sep 1, 2018
    I'll be rooting for Italy in this one
     
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  25. Bauser

    Bauser Member+

    Dec 23, 2000
    Norway
    Club:
    Fredrikstad FK
    Tough draw for Norway, but with four third placed teams advancing like in the men's World Cup 1986-94, there will be less pressure in each individual game. You can repair mistakes later and still be in it. But the opening game against Nigeria will be vital as France awaits in game two.
     
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