2019 Week 14 MLS Referee Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS Referee Forum' started by ManiacalClown, May 29, 2019.

  1. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Interesting points. One thing that I haven't seen (though may have been suggested elsewhere) is that there was an incident last year between POR and LAFC with Diomande claiming he was called a racial slur by a Portland player, and an investigation neither verifying or vindicating either side. It's never been publicly named who Diomande said did it, but Cascante was considered one of the possibilities. I wonder if this was retaliation.
     
  2. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    This raises an interesting question on the scope of VR. If the VAR concludes both that i was in the PA and that it wasn't handling, does it go to OFR? Or is not reviewable that way as not awarding a PK was not clearly erroneous?
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is reviewable. The called offence is factually determined to be in the PA. So VAR must intervene there. Then if, in the VAR’s opinion, the offence called amounts to a clearly wrong decision, he invites the referee to take the second look.

    But if he thinks it’s wrong and is not certain it’s inside the PA, he’s stuck. I think that’s what happened here, though I disagree with his low level of certainty.
     
  4. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Thanks MR--just another of those quirks of VR that you can lose the non-reviewable DFK because it actually was in the PA.
     
    MassachusettsRef repped this.
  5. FootyPDX

    FootyPDX Member

    Portland Timbers
    England
    Nov 21, 2017
    You're the first person I've heard (LAFC fans included) that thinks the player intentionally controlling the ball with his forearm isn't handling.

    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DefiniteDevotedAndalusianhorse-mobile.mp4
     
  6. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not 100% no handling because he does move his arm as the ball is coming off the foot of his teammate. That said, look at the big picture. The handling came when a teammate attempted to clear the ball, and it struck his arm from a short distance. You call it intentional, but what reason would he have to handle a clearance and take it back into his own penalty area? There's nothing there that makes me think he's in anyway trying to cheat the game. It looks more like he ran across the path of an unexpected ball and he wasn't able to get out of the way.

    At this level, there's a decent chance the VAR recommends a review for no penalty if it's called inside initially IMO.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Go to 5:00 here and listen to the audio:

    The "no way, no way, no way, no!" is the AR telling Sibiga that he didn't think it was handling.

    Now, that doesn't mean I'm right or that he's right. But hopefully it disabuses you of the notion that a person--let alone a referee--would not look at that and consider it to not be handling. The instinct of the AR on the match, who had the best view, was to tell Sibiga "no." Whether he told him too late or Sibiga felt he had a better view is something we can't know for sure. But the audio is clear.
     

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