2019 U.S. Open Cup

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by newtex, Aug 29, 2018.

  1. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Appears in 5 matches, at least a goal in 5 matches. Inconceivable!
     
  2. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    The last game of the round doesn't matter because it's MLS on MLS action, so let's do this. The round of 16 (or 5th round for those sane of mind) update for 2019 of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and accounting for that is difficult. D2/D3 before 2011 are their own beast. What is now USLC (which was D3 in 2011 and is now D2) and NASL (which is now defunct and joined the Cup in 2012 at the D2 level) started fresh. NASL has now died, what was PDL is now USL2, there's a brand new USL1 this year. It's a mess, I've tried my best, and I'll never be happy with it.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.
    7. Dead leagues: D2 (pre-2011) - 1642, D3 (pre-2011) - 1560, NASL - 1582. These are only important in that ELO rankings are 0-sum, and those numbers can account for why the average of leagues today isn't 1500.

    RoundMLSUSLCUSL1USL2NPSLUSASA/etc
    2018 Final173615531500134512991283
    2019 R1173615531499134512841299
    2019 R2173615681500133312831295
    2019 R3173615561494133313041294
    2019 R4175315401494133313021294
    2019 R5173015621494133313021294


    Remember what I said last time about MLS having little to gain by winning? Yeah, that doesn't mean they have little to lose in these games, as evidenced by the fact that MLS dropped 23 ratings points, and USLC gained that much, by both USLC teams winning (one on the road, one home). Interestingly, though, the "points change" for the 1-0 win at home by St. Louis was less than the "points change" for all of the 1-goal away wins by MLS teams against MLS opposition, and all of those were less than the "points change" by the Timbers 4-0 win at home. The 2-1 road win by New Mexico takes the round for the largest swing by a single game, though. Well, barring a big road win by San Jose, or a massive home blowout by LAFC, that is.
     
  3. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 US Open Cup
    Round of 16
    Home team first, times are ET
    All games are on ESPN+

    Wednesday results:

    Tuesday, June 18
    Columbus Crew SC (MLS) 2-3 Atlanta United FC (MLS)
    Houston Dynamo (MLS) 2-3 Minnesota United FC (MLS)

    Wednesday, June 19
    DC United (MLS) 1-2 New York City FC (MLS)
    Orlando City SC (MLS) 2-1 (aet) New England Revolution (MLS)
    FC Dallas (MLS) 1-2 New Mexico United (USL-C)
    Saint Louis FC (USL-C) 1-0 FC Cincinnati (MLS)
    Portland Timbers (MLS) 4-0. LA Galaxy (MLS)

    Thursday, June 20
    Los Angeles FC (MLS) v. San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 10:30 pm

    Quarterfinals are July 9-10.
     
  4. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    I've got you covered.
     
  5. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    I got your back bro
     
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  6. Adiaga_2

    Adiaga_2 Member

    St. Louis City SC
    Aug 30, 2007
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ouch.

    And also - hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....
     
  7. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    STL 2-0 MLS (Chicago and Cincinnati)

    Cincinnati kind of had an excuse, they are after all an expansion team, but Chicago had ZERO excuses.
     
  8. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IMG_9483.jpg

    Upper deck opened.
     
  10. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Halftime 1-1.
     
  11. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    San Jose is pretty good now.
     
  12. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It's amazing what happens when a team hires a real coach.
     
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  13. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FT: 3-1 LAFC moves on.
     
  14. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still waiting.
     
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  15. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 US Open Cup
    Round of 16
    Home team first, times are ET
    All games are on ESPN+

    Thursday result:

    Tuesday, June 18
    Columbus Crew SC (MLS) 2-3 Atlanta United FC (MLS)
    Houston Dynamo (MLS) 2-3 Minnesota United FC (MLS)

    Wednesday, June 19
    DC United (MLS) 1-2 New York City FC (MLS)
    Orlando City SC (MLS) 2-1 (aet) New England Revolution (MLS)
    FC Dallas (MLS) 1-2 New Mexico United (USL-C)
    Saint Louis FC (USL-C) 1-0 FC Cincinnati (MLS)
    Portland Timbers (MLS) 4-0. LA Galaxy (MLS)

    Thursday, June 20
    Los Angeles FC (MLS) 3-1 San Jose Earthquakes (MLS)

    Quarterfinals are July 9-10.
     
  17. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Round of 16 results analysis:
    Home teams went 4-4 on advancement. That's 49-27 for the tournament.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL-C 2-0
    MLS 6-8

    Note: Several MLS teams played each other. MLS went 0-2 against lower division opponents.

    Cumulative for the tournament so far:
    USL-C 32-22
    MLS 20-15
    USL-1 5-6
    Local Qualifiers 6-8
    USL-2 6-10
    NSPL 6-14
     
  18. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 US Open Cup
    Quarterfinals
    Home team first, times are ET
    All games are on ESPN+

    Wednesday, July 10
    Orlando City SC (MLS) v. New York City FC (MLS) 7:30 pm
    Atlanta United FC (MLS) v. Saint Louis FC (USL-C) 7:30 pm
    Minnesota United FC (MLS) v. New Mexico United (USL-C) 8:00 pm
    Los Angeles FC (MLS) vs. Portland Timbers (MLS) 10:30 pm

    Semifinals are August 7.
     
  19. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tickets were $10 more expensive than last year. After the switch from SeatGeek to TicketBastard everything is nickel and dimes to death. Apparently it was forced on them by the league.

    James
     
  20. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    Wait, the league forced teams to move from SeatGeek to TicketMaster all while SeatGeek is one of the teams stadium sponsor?
     
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  21. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe. It may be that Ticketmaster threatened to withhold events if the teams didn’t use them for SSS.
     
  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The seatgeek deal in Bridgeview was brokered by the city of Bridgeview and NOT the Chicago Fire.
     
  23. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Great gesture by New Mexico United for their travelling fans...

    [​IMG]
     
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  24. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
  25. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah it does. Maybe it is just LAFC getting bent over by ticketmaster. Everyone hates it. So much less user friendly than SeatGeek was.

    The next USOC game is full stadium non-GA. Everyone gets their regular seats.

    James
     

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