2019 CONCACAF League and 2020 Champions League

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  1. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    #76 newtex, Aug 27, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2019
    It has been pretty consistent:

    2008-2009 through 2013-14 (six tournaments): (1) MLS Cup winner, (2) Supporter Shield winner, (3) MLS Cup runner-up, (4) Open Cup winner

    2014-15 through 2018 (four tournaments): (1) MLS Cup winner, (2) Supporter Shield winner, (3) opposite conference winner, (4) Open Cup winner

    2019: (1) 2017 and (2) 2018 MLS Cup winners, (3) 2017 and (4) 2018 Open Cup winners. NOTE: That was the plan. They wound up doing it as (1) 2018 MLS Cup winner, (2) 2017 US Open Cup winner, (3) 2018 US Open Cup winner, (4) best on the combined 2017-18 Shield table after Toronto won the 2017 MLS Cup.

    2020: back to the prior system.

    The 2019 tournament was the only real outlier with the calendar correction. The change in 2014 just swapped the MLS Cup loser for the regular season opposite conference winner. 3 of the 4 slots have been the same for 11 of the 12 tournaments where the US got 4 entrants.

    It might look more chaotic since there are often multiple trophy winners so hand-me-down selections are made.
     
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  2. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Results from last night (advancing teams in bold):

    CA Independiente (PAN) 2-1 SV Robinhood (SUR) -- Great effort by Robinhood :thumbsup:

    AD San Carlos (CRC) 0(4)-0(2) Santa Tecla FC (SLV) -- :(

    FC Motagua (HON) 2-1 Managua FC (NCA) -- Hondurans advance, closer than expected :x3:
     
  3. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2000
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    So if Atlanta wins the Eastern Conference regular season, then the USA4 slot would then go to the next available EC team, not the overall standings or USOC finalist?
     
  4. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    No. Any hand-me-down slot goes to the Shield table overall. It is not necessarily an Eastern conference team.
     
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  5. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Although it's looking increasingly like it will be from the Eastern conference if the numbers stay about the same...either Philly or NYC.
     
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 CONCACAF League
    Round of 16
    Home team first, times are ET

    2nd Leg, Wednesday results:

    First Leg
    Tuesday, August 20
    SV Robinhood (SUR) 1-1 CA Independiente (PAN)
    Santa Tecla FC (SLV) 0-0 AD San Carlos (CRC)
    Managua FC (NCA) 1-2 FC Motagua (HON)

    Wednesday, August 21
    Comunicaciones FC (GUA) 2-1 CD Guastatoya (GUA)
    Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 2-0 CD Aguila (SLV)

    Thursday, August 22
    Waterhouse FC (JAM) 1-1 CS Herediano (CRC)
    Forge FC (CAN) 1-0 CD Olimpia (HON)
    Alianza FC (SLV) 2-0 Tauro FC (PAN)

    Second Leg
    Tuesday, August 27
    CA Independiente (PAN) 2-1 SV Robinhood (SUR)
    Independiente advances, 3-2 on aggregate.
    AD San Carlos (CRC) 0-0 Santa Tecla FC (SLV)
    San Carlos advances, 4-2 on penalties
    FC Motagua (HON) 1-1 Managua FC (NCA)
    Motagua advances, 3-2 on aggregate.

    Wednesday, August 28
    CD Guastatoya (GUA) 0-0 Comunicaciones FC (GUA)
    Comunicaciones advances, 2-1 on aggregate.
    CD Aguila (SLV) 1-0 Deportivo Saprissa (CRC)
    Saprissa advances, 2-1 on aggregate.

    Thursday, August 29
    Tauro FC (PAN) v. Alianza FC (SLV) 8:00 pm
    CS Herediano (CRC) v. Waterhouse FC (JAM) 8:00 pm
    CD Olimpia (HON) v. Forge FC (CAN) 10:00 pm

    The Quarterfinals start on September 24.
     
  7. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 CONCACAF League
    Round of 16
    Home team first, times are ET

    2nd Leg, Thursday results:

    First Leg
    Tuesday, August 20
    SV Robinhood (SUR) 1-1 CA Independiente (PAN)
    Santa Tecla FC (SLV) 0-0 AD San Carlos (CRC)
    Managua FC (NCA) 1-2 FC Motagua (HON)

    Wednesday, August 21
    Comunicaciones FC (GUA) 2-1 CD Guastatoya (GUA)
    Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 2-0 CD Aguila (SLV)

    Thursday, August 22
    Waterhouse FC (JAM) 1-1 CS Herediano (CRC)
    Forge FC (CAN) 1-0 CD Olimpia (HON)
    Alianza FC (SLV) 2-0 Tauro FC (PAN)

    Second Leg
    Tuesday, August 27
    CA Independiente (PAN) 2-1 SV Robinhood (SUR)
    Independiente advances, 3-2 on aggregate.
    AD San Carlos (CRC) 0-0 Santa Tecla FC (SLV)
    San Carlos advances, 4-2 on penalties
    FC Motagua (HON) 1-1 Managua FC (NCA)
    Motagua advances, 3-2 on aggregate.

    Wednesday, August 28
    CD Guastatoya (GUA) 0-0 Comunicaciones FC (GUA)
    Comunicaciones advances, 2-1 on aggregate.
    CD Aguila (SLV) 1-0 Deportivo Saprissa (CRC)
    Saprissa advances, 2-1 on aggregate.

    Thursday, August 29
    Tauro FC (PAN) 1-0 Alianza FC (SLV)
    Alianza advances, 2-1 on aggregate.
    CS Herediano (CRC) 1-1 Waterhouse FC (JAM)
    Waterhouse advances, 7-6 on penalties.
    CD Olimpia (HON) 4-1 Forge FC (CAN)
    Olimpia advances, 4-2 on aggregate.

    The Quarterfinals start on September 24.
     
  8. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. As long as the regular season, MLS Cup, and U.S. Open Cup qualify clubs, there's no way to guarantee that a club won't win more than one.
     
  9. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 CONCACAF League
    Quarterfinals
    Home team first, times are ET

    The teams that advance out of this round automatically qualify for the 2020 CCL. The next two best based on tournament results also qualify.

    First Leg
    Tuesday, September 24
    Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) v. CA Independiente (PAN) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, September 25
    Waterhouse FC (JAM) v. FC Motagua (HON) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, September 26
    Alianza FC (SLV) v. AD San Carlos (CRC) 8:00 pm
    CD Olimpia (HON) v. Comunicaciones FC (GUA) 10:00 pm


    Second Leg
    Tuesday, October 1
    CA Independiente (PAN) v. Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, October 2
    FC Motagua (HON) v. Waterhouse FC (JAM) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, October 3
    AD San Carlos (CRC) v. Alianza FC (SLV) 8:00 pm
    Comunicaciones FC (GUA) v. CD Olimpia (HON) 10:00 pm


    The Semifinals start on October 22.
     
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  10. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I'm surprised Herediano lost to a team from Jamaica.
     
  11. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Yeah I'm surprised too... Was expecting all three CRC teams to make it to the QFs, along with all three HON teams. (Independiente in the 7ths slot and a toss-up in the 8th). Well, I guess you should always expect an upset or two.
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't like that three series will have both games at 10:00 P.M. I'm surprised that a game in Jamaica would start that late, but that's when Concacaf says.
     
  13. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's 9 pm in Jamaica. It's on Eastern Standard Time year-round, no daylight savings. The other 10 pm games are 8 pm in most of Central America, 9 pm in Panama.
     
  14. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  15. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    BUMP: It doesn't look like there is much TV coverage.

    2019 CONCACAF League
    Quarterfinals
    Home team first, times are ET

    The teams that advance out of this round automatically qualify for the 2020 CCL. The next two best based on tournament results also qualify.

    First Leg
    Tuesday, September 24
    Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) v. CA Independiente (PAN) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, September 25
    Waterhouse FC (JAM) v. FC Motagua (HON) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, September 26
    Alianza FC (SLV) v. AD San Carlos (CRC) 8:00 pm
    CD Olimpia (HON) v. Comunicaciones FC (GUA) 10:00 pm


    Second Leg
    Tuesday, October 1
    CA Independiente (PAN) v. Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, October 2
    FC Motagua (HON) v. Waterhouse FC (JAM) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, October 3
    AD San Carlos (CRC) v. Alianza FC (SLV) 8:00 pm
    Comunicaciones FC (GUA) v. CD Olimpia (HON) 10:00 pm TUDN


    The Semifinals start on October 22.
     
  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 CONCACAF League
    Quarterfinals
    Home team first, times are ET

    The teams that advance out of this round automatically qualify for the 2020 CCL. The next two best based on tournament results also qualify.

    First result:

    First Leg
    Tuesday, September 24
    Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 3-2 CA Independiente (PAN)

    Wednesday, September 25
    Waterhouse FC (JAM) v. FC Motagua (HON) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, September 26
    Alianza FC (SLV) v. AD San Carlos (CRC) 8:00 pm
    CD Olimpia (HON) v. Comunicaciones FC (GUA) 10:00 pm


    Second Leg
    Tuesday, October 1
    CA Independiente (PAN) v. Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, October 2
    FC Motagua (HON) v. Waterhouse FC (JAM) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, October 3
    AD San Carlos (CRC) v. Alianza FC (SLV) 8:00 pm
    Comunicaciones FC (GUA) v. CD Olimpia (HON) 10:00 pm TUDN


    The Semifinals start on October 22.
     
  17. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Montreal beats TFC on penalties 1-1 (3-1) to win the Voyageurs Cup and the CCL spot for Canada.
     
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  18. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
  19. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LAFC officially won the Supporter's Shield last night...that doesn't change anything does it? So far the qualified teams are LAFC and Atlanta from the US; assuming NYCFC wins the East they will have a spot, so it seems barring any major upsets in the playoffs one of either Minnesota or Philadelphia (and to a lesser degree LA Galaxy) will qualify for the last spot as the next in line in the Supporter's Shield standings?
     
  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 CONCACAF League
    Quarterfinals
    Home team first, times are ET

    The teams that advance out of this round automatically qualify for the 2020 CCL. The next two best based on tournament results also qualify.

    Wednesday result:

    First Leg
    Tuesday, September 24
    Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 3-2 CA Independiente (PAN)

    Wednesday, September 25
    Waterhouse FC (JAM) 0-2 FC Motagua (HON)

    Thursday, September 26
    Alianza FC (SLV) v. AD San Carlos (CRC) 8:00 pm
    CD Olimpia (HON) v. Comunicaciones FC (GUA) 10:00 pm


    Second Leg
    Tuesday, October 1
    CA Independiente (PAN) v. Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, October 2
    FC Motagua (HON) v. Waterhouse FC (JAM) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, October 3
    AD San Carlos (CRC) v. Alianza FC (SLV) 8:00 pm
    Comunicaciones FC (GUA) v. CD Olimpia (HON) 10:00 pm TUDN


    The Semifinals start on October 22.
     
  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    You are correct. Nothing really changed.
    As of now the spots are:

    USA1: MLS Cup winner: TBD
    USA2: Supporter Shield winner: LAFC
    USA3: Best Eastern Conference record: NYCFC tentative
    USA4: U.S. Open Cup winner: Atlanta

    The overall Shield table looks like this as of 9/26/19:

    1. LAFC 68 pts
    2. NYCFC 61 pts

    3. Philadelphia 55 pts
    4. Atlanta 54 pts
    5. Minnesota 52 pts
    6. LA Galaxy 51 pts
    7. Seattle 50 pts

    Let's assume NYCFC holds on to the Eastern spot. If they, LAFC, or Atlanta wins MLS Cup then at the moment Philly gets whichever spot that team vacates. Minnesota, LAG, or Seattle could move up to that position.

    If anyone else wins MLS Cup then there are no hand-me-down spots.

    Realistically Philly is in a pretty good spot. If they stay in 3rd or 4th spot then they would qualify if any of the other top three win MLS Cup. Or they could win it themselves.
     
  22. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And tangentially related...apparently the top four teams in each conference that aren't going to the CCL will qualify for the Leagues Cup next year with Liga MX, so there should at least be something on the line for the mid-tier teams to play for these last couple weeks.
     
  23. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I was thinking about that last night. It is probably not motivation but it is something.

    Right now it looks like those teams would be:

    EAST
    4. DC United
    5. NY Red Bulls
    6. Toronto
    7. New England

    WEST
    2. Minnesota
    3. LA Galaxy
    4. Seattle
    5. RSL

    Obviously that will change especially if one of them wins MLS Cup. And there may be other factors.
     
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  24. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    With the win over Waterhouse, Motagua has qualified to CCL.
     
  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 CONCACAF League
    Quarterfinals
    Home team first, times are ET

    The teams that advance out of this round automatically qualify for the 2020 CCL. The next two best based on tournament results also qualify.

    Thursday results:

    First Leg
    Tuesday, September 24
    Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 3-2 CA Independiente (PAN)

    Wednesday, September 25
    Waterhouse FC (JAM) 0-2 FC Motagua (HON)

    Thursday, September 26
    Alianza FC (SLV) 2-0 AD San Carlos (CRC)
    CD Olimpia (HON) 2-0 Comunicaciones FC (GUA)


    Second Leg
    Tuesday, October 1
    CA Independiente (PAN) v. Deportivo Saprissa (CRC) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, October 2
    FC Motagua (HON) v. Waterhouse FC (JAM) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, October 3
    AD San Carlos (CRC) v. Alianza FC (SLV) 8:00 pm
    Comunicaciones FC (GUA) v. CD Olimpia (HON) 10:00 pm TUDN


    The Semifinals start on October 22.
     

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