[2019 AFC Asian Cup: Quarter-finals] Korea vs Qatar 2019/01/25 [R]

Discussion in 'Korea' started by Seol Korea, Jan 24, 2019.

  1. iunlock

    iunlock Member

    Team Sonny
    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Yes I agree. I've been saying this about the Olympics as well. Remember lame US team a few world cups back, when they brought on the Germans? Pathetic...

    As far as the futbol in general, those slum countries will continue to find ways like you've mentioned. It should be banned 100%... Very shameful.
     
  2. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    ???
     
  3. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    NAH
     
  4. Hodori

    Hodori BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 12, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    You can hold someone accountable by reviewing the results and doing a root cause analysis. And then setting expectations and goals that he needs to work towards before sacking him in the event that he fails.

    If they (the KFA) just let him do whatever without feedback and shared level setting and then sack him if results are poor, we'll never get another legitimate foreign manager.
     
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  5. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    Accountable. Root cause analysis. Expectations. Goals. Feedback. Results. Inclusiveness. Morale. Teamwork. Forecasting. Valuation. Leadership. Unity. Strength. The. Fck. You. Talking. About.

    There aint no root cause analysis. I'll give you root cause analysis. We got some shite players alright? And our coach don't know how to work with shite players. Our coach can't even work with great players.

    But let me bite: how do you measure a coach? And really, don't even try because you don't got an answer for it. If you do, you shouldn't be on bigsoccer speaking in jargon.
     
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  6. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    Wasn't it the other way? That he was fit during the announcement but got injured right after the snub? He's still recovering from what I know...
     
  7. Hodori

    Hodori BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 12, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    So what's the right answer? Blindly let him carry on in the hopes that he's not another UliShit or sack him now?

    Most competent FAs have review meetings and action plans from technical committees that they review with managers. If things don't improve, then regime change occurs.

    If we sack him now, we are just as dysfunctional as the KSA FA without their oil money.
     
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  8. PacMan over again

    South Korea
    Mar 4, 2018
    I want to support East Asian teams but right now your current PM Abe is doing everything he can to turn me off anything Japanese ATM.

    I know it's not your fault and it is completely out of your hands but that's how it is.

    It is very unfortunate Japan is losing it's democracy in this whole process under Abe's crazy drive towards an ultra right imperialistic Japan.

    Japanese aircraft made another provocative fly by on Korean Naval vessel and soccer is a very nationalistic sport, in these moments it makes it difficult.
     
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  9. jinseokyang

    jinseokyang Member+

    Feb 28, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I actually agree that some form of RCA needs to be done if it hasn't been already (it probably hasn't given it's the same old for the past 8 years).. also yes the coach can't do much with shit players but the fact is we have better players out there. Best case in point would be LY v KMH, or CHW v KSG, JWY v literally any CM in the K League, or the weird fact that JDW is still relevant, etc.
     
  10. TigersOfAsia2

    TigersOfAsia2 Member

    Toronto Maple Leafs
    South Korea
    May 12, 2017
    Don't feed the troll. He's a Chinese Taipaiese.
     
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  11. griffindinho_au

    griffindinho_au Member+

    May 30, 2013
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    He should support his home country. Bloody weebs
     
  12. TigersOfAsia2

    TigersOfAsia2 Member

    Toronto Maple Leafs
    South Korea
    May 12, 2017
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  13. griffindinho_au

    griffindinho_au Member+

    May 30, 2013
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
  14. morimotomania93

    Japan
    Jan 22, 2019
    Mabil's sister died a few hours ago rip
     
  15. morimotomania93

    Japan
    Jan 22, 2019
     
  16. DHMGKorea

    DHMGKorea Member

    Bayern München
    South Korea
    Oct 11, 2016
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    ah maybe it was after the announcement, I just remember seeing the news around the same time though
     
  17. nmssis

    nmssis Member+

    May 21, 2011
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    let's sink this ship
     
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  18. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I hope you didn't confuse my post for me blaming the manager rather than me pointing out to those "specific" members blaming the manager. But yeah, it's been a habit that people tend to be quick to pull the trigger on the manager from one match or few matches, I mean I am not saying Bento wasn't in the wrong with his decisions as such, but everyone including the players are held accountable for the loss vs Qatar. Stielike on the other hand is a different story, and it's already been justified/proven many times repeatedly, so that's the end of it.

    At the end of the day, the Qataris were far more prepared than we were, and we played into Qataris' hand/played exactly how they wanted us to play, they park the bus while we play a pussified game for 90 minutes, they rarely had to do much on their final third. And, as I've mentioned earlier in another thread, this is a completely different'/new Qatari team than what we're used to seeing, and to Felix Sanchez's credit, he completely scrapped the old merc team replacing them with new and young fresh talents, most of whom were already playing/developing under his Youth tenures.
     
  19. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Seriously though, some folks need to stop with the Shin Tae-yong ass kissing, especially after the poor display at the Asian Cup under Bento. Specifically, using the Germany win to justify the argument that Shin Tae-yong is better than Bento is asinine, even if we had given him more time, the difference wouldn't have been that much better/would've been the same song we've been hearing for a long time.

    Also, people must've forgotten about the Sweden match already, it was literally how we were playing vs Qatar, instead of trying to exploit the Swede's back space with more direct passes/players creeping through to break their defense apart, we played pussified and we were also trying to bunker at the same time as if we even needed to bunker against a team that's known for bunkering, and to make matters worse, we've had a 197cm useless stick who failed to even use his height advantage only to flop on his ass for nearly 80 minutes straight.

    @batumchange2 or whoever can argue with me on this day and night, but the fact is that Shin Tae-yong can't manage for shit, and he is no better than Bento box to even prove that he is that much better. Quit kidding yourselves.
     
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  20. batumchange2

    batumchange2 Member+

    South Korea
    May 6, 2015
    zero successful passes made anywhere within vicinity of the box

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  21. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    The answer is simple. Sack him now.

    So lets play this out. I got some questions:

    - Why insist on wide, forward-attacking wingbacks when they lack pace
    - Why insist on wide, forward-attacking wingbacks when they can't cross
    - Why insist on the no. 10 role when we ain't got one
    - Why insist on playing the most no.10-ish player we have (Blueball) as a wing forward
    - Why was our team out of shape
    - Why did you take some injured ass players
    - Why did you take
    - Why the same game plan over again
    - Why insist on playing this same game in the future
    - Why sub in a defender when we need a goal against Bahrain (was it purposeful or did you just get lucky with the virgin mary)
    - Why do we keep playing backwards passes
    - What does flexibility mean
    - What does your other Portuguese fckboys really do?
    - Who is the better coach: Pep or Klopp and why?
    - What is the purpose of playing Jung Woo-young when it appears that pace is our weakness, especially when our fullbacks are out of position?
    - Why didn't you call up Gong Hyung-jin and yet when you played him, it seemed like you had no gameplan for him?
    - How do explain Hwang Uijo being isolated when we bombard the center of the field with Hwang IBM, Blueball?
    - When our fullbacks are ready to cross, why isn;t anyone in the box?

    I agree that we shouldn't be so results and outcome based. If we did the right thing, then a review is warranted, feedback should be given, the committee and coaching staff should pat each other on the ass. But we didn't do the right thing.

    We've gone through this story for nearly two decades. We hire incompetent coaches and we give the benefit of the doubt. We play it out until the "moment feels right" and that's usually when there's some fire up our ass during the WCQ's.

    Most are hesitant to sack Bento because it "doesn't feel right" to sack someone "this early".

    It's always emotional response, isn't it.

    There's nothing that Bento did this tournament that seemed promising.

    The stats tell the same story. We played some possession ball. Then we passed backwards and then sideways. Lee Yong made some runs but ended up crossing to nobody.

    This is Bento's gameplan. It's not going to change.
     
  22. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    I was being sarcastic with the consultant jargon. But here's the thing. You can bring me all the data, the analysis, the frameworks and the dance but the last thing I ever want to hear a coach say is: "You got shite players".

    Because my response will always be: "You took the job knowing that so what are you going to do about it".

    And when the coach says: "I will keep playing my game".

    That's when I say: "You're fired".
     
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  23. Hyok

    Hyok Member+

    Sep 4, 2002
    California
    I don't remember LDG scoring a wonder goal against Mexico in the WC.
     
  24. jk1802

    jk1802 Member

    Jan 22, 2010
    NYC
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    He scored a wonder goal against Germany in a friendly but legacy wise nowhere near sonny

    7:00 min mark

     
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  25. Hyok

    Hyok Member+

    Sep 4, 2002
    California
    Oh, I remember that friendly. It was a nice goal, but the failure to score against Uruguay in 2010 stands out, in my mind.
     
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