2019-2020 UEFA Referee Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    :eek:
     
  2. balu

    balu Member

    Oct 18, 2013
    Final

    Spain - Germany: JOVANOVIC (SRB) [VARs: Kamphuis, Nijhuis (NED)]
     
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  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jovanovic is very good. At first glance, I like him a lot more than compared to when I first saw Mazic.

    Probably too early to sneak into Euro 2020, but he has a big future, I think.
     
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  4. balu

    balu Member

    Oct 18, 2013
  5. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
  6. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    The black shirt and shorts with pink socks is, well, a unique look.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    UEFA mandates alternate socks when a team is wearing black or dark socks—even when the socks can’t match the top. Anyway...

    This seems more notable. Don’t worry, everyone, this is definitely not SFP anymore.

    https://streamable.com/5i0c2
     
  8. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    My head (and leg) hurts just watching that. How the on-field crew and VAR cannot call that SFP is unreal.

    I know FIFA and the confederations will continue to say they are not discouraging send offs. Watching plays like this deemed only as USB doesn’t add a lot of credibility to that lip service.
     
  9. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Yeah...from watching these tournaments even with VAR now, it's really hard to come to any conclusion other than that the concept of SFP has gone out of the window at the highest levels internationally.
     
  10. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The closing speed on that "reckless" foul was probably close to 40 mph.
     
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  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As @MassachusettsRef recently said, we've reached a point where tackles are 100 percent SFP in England and not in an international tournament in Europe.
     
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  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Black is white. Up is down. Cats and dogs living together!

    Unless, of course, the introduction of VAR makes EPL referees more conservative again. Going to be fascinating to see how quick guys like Taylor, Oliver and Pawson will be to pull red cards without any VAR input.
     
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  13. balu

    balu Member

    Oct 18, 2013
    Interesting words on VAR and handball from Mike Riley:

    The ball struck Sissoko's arm [in this year's UCL Final] after a pass was played by Sadio Mane, but Sissoko appeared to be gesturing for players to move into position.

    'Sissoko's a really interesting one,' Riley told The Times. 'In real time it looks a clear penalty. With VAR you can actually see what he's doing, and he's not interested in trying to block the cross, he's saying to the covering defender, "Get over there and fill the space."

    'That’s not a deliberate act of extending the arm away from the body. You also see the ball deflects off the chest on to the arm, and if you put everything together and apply the philosophy we do here, we wouldn’t say that was handball.'

    'In this country we have always said - and this is the players and managers saying it to us - that arms are part of the game and as long as you are not trying to extend your body to block a shot then there is more scope so that we don't penalise,' Riley added.

    'What we don't want to create is a culture when defenders have to defend with their hands behind their back or where it is acceptable for attackers to try to drill the ball at their hand to win a penalty.'

    'Where VAR has been implemented successfully in other competitions it's been a very high bar,' he told BBC Sport.

    'We don't want VAR to come in and try to re-referee the game. We actually want it to protect the referees from making serious errors, the ones everybody's goes: 'Well, actually, that's wrong.'

    'If we keep to that really high bar there is more chance of keeping the flow of the game, the intensity of the game and people enjoying the spectacle of it rather than constantly referring to the video screen for changing decisions.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...eague-final-NOT-given-VAR-Premier-League.html
     
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come again?

    This is nonsensical babble.

    First of all, Skomina awarded the penalty in the UCL Final on his own. Is Riley saying VAR would have overturned it?! And is he saying so in the same breath that he says VAR will have a "high bar" in England? I think the most generous interpretation one can have is that he was trying to say VAR would not call the penalty if the referee had not called it in the first place, but that is the kind of splitting hairs that isn't going to inspire confidence in the system and clearly isn't going to be understood by the media (if, indeed, that is what he was trying to say).

    More to the point, though, he's saying that wasn't a handball offence? I don't know what to say to that. The whole world (minus a few Spurs fans) seemed to accept that call. But England has to do things differently!

    And what does "more lenient" on handballs mean? He cites the new Laws, which actually seem to be a lot stricter--with a couple exceptions.

    This is baffling stuff from Riley.
     
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  15. balu

    balu Member

    Oct 18, 2013
  16. LampLighter

    LampLighter Member

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
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  17. balu

    balu Member

    Oct 18, 2013
    Deniz Aytekin was selected as German referee of the year by the DFB. However, he had to interrupt his preseason fitness test because of injury, complaining of wet ground that caused him to slip. Six other referees either did not attend (Grafe, Brand, Storks, Steinhaus) or could not complete their fitness test (Welz, Fritz), and will have to do a make-up on August 8. Steinhaus is missing because of the injury she suffered at the WWC in France.

    https://web.de/magazine/sport/fussb...er-jahres-deniz-aytekin-nachpruefung-33839508
     
  18. LampLighter

    LampLighter Member

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
  19. gold4278

    gold4278 Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Surprised to not see any discussion about the back to back YC/Penalty retake for the Europa League Trnava/Radnik match yesterday
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’d be surprised if anyone here knew the match happened! Do you have video?
     
  21. gold4278

    gold4278 Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  22. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The first one from the orange shirt keeper was incorrectly called. His back foot appears on the line.

    The second kick from the pink keeper appears to be an offense that was correct.

    So the AR went 1 for 2.
     
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  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, great... opposing goalkeepers are now going to be in the ear of ARs during KFTM, lobbying for retakes for their teammates and trying to get their opponent sent off! Hadn't thought of that angle before.

    And agree with @code1390. Looks like a 50% success rate... which I believe should be failing.
     
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  24. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair he went like 5 for 6 if you count the correct non calls on misses.
     
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  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair enough. But I think any false positives in KFTM is a failure, given the stakes.

    Of course, this is simply a difficult call. It's flash lag on steroids, given most penalty kicks are taken with a high degree of velocity. So I think you'll see a lot of failures in the other direction, too.

    Maybe there was a reason that this was a decision that almost always fell into the realm of "trifling."
     

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