2019-2020 UEFA Referee Discussion [Rs]

Matchday 4

Liverpool - Genk: KRUZLIAK (SVK) [Irrati (ITA)]
Napoli - Salzburg: MARCINIAK (POL) [Gil (POL)]
Dortmund - Inter: MAKKELIE (NED) [Kamphuis (NED)]
Barcelona - Slavia Prague: OLIVER (ENG) [Kavanagh (ENG)]
Lyon - Benfica: KUIPERS (NED) [Van Boekel {NED)]
Zenit - Leipzig: GRINFELD (ISR) [Pinheiro (POR)]
Valencia - Lille: KARASEV (RUS) [Dankert (GER)]
Chelsea - Ajax: ROCCHI (ITA) [Valeri (ITA)]

Makkelie and Rocchi with the biggest matches.

 

PANDEMONIUM at Stamford Bridge. Rocchi gives a 2 yellow cards both on 2 players who were sitting on yellow cards. So two red cards in the same sequence. First was for a UB tackle on Daley Blind tackle.Advantage is given and then the shot on goal is a PK for handling.So yellow card to the defender on the PK after the Daley blind red card. Chelsea is down 2-4 and scores pk to make it 3-4.

Edit chelsea just ties up the game 4-4. absolute craziness.
Rocchi still has 15 mins left too.

PS. Both 2CT cards were justified for UB: Reckless tackle by D. Blind and SPA for the other defender. Not sure if there was a Dissent caution in there...
Either way my referee hat is on here not my supporter hat.

 

5-4 goal gets disallowed because the ball hits Abraham’s arm and it drops to azpilicueta’s feet and he smashes it in.

 

https://streamable.com/2p3vp

I don't see a foul on Blind, he goes in shoves Pulisic off the ball and then falls because of Pulisics flailing body. If anything it's just a coming together. Doesn't excuse his wild challenge.

 

What I see is that Blind shoulders Pulisic off the ball in what appears to me to be a fair challenge, then as Pulisic goes down, he trips Blind. That is a careless trip there.

It doesn't excuse Blind's lunge in after that, but really, based on the levels that the ref had set to that point, the play should've likely been stopped there, Blind getting the caution, and Ajax the free kick for the trip.

 

I can't speak to the levels since I've only just seen this clip. Looks like something that would be let go several times a game though.

 

Hoe kan het nou dat we hier nog steeds geen lijn hebben gezien van de #UEFAMAFIA? Snap ook niet hoe je buitenspel kan zijn en dan een corner meekrijgt. En twee rooie kaarten en penalty terwijl Chelsea 1ste overtreding maakt.m. #cheajax @VarStop @NOSvoetbal @FOXSportsnl @vtbl pic.twitter.com/0dPBRwK3yp

— Ollie op ‘t Vuur (@OllieOptVuur) November 6, 2019

It was clearly offside but no VAR intervention this time. So unfair, after what happened in Amsterdam (see page 19 of this thread).

 

I don't see anyone clearly off

 

Matchday 4

Real Madrid - Galatasaray: ZWAYER (GER) [Stegemann (GER)]
PSG - Brugge: MADDEN (SCO) [Attwell (ENG)]
Crvena Zvezda - Tottenham: DEL CERRO GRANDE (ESP) [Sanchez Martinez (ESP)]
Bayern - Olympiacos: RACZKOWSKI (POL) [Hernandez Hernandez (ESP)]
Atalanta - Man City: KULBAKOV (BLR) [Turpin (FRA)]
Dinamo - Shakhtar: BRYCH (GER) [Dingert (GER)]
Leverkusen - Atletico: SKOMINA (SVN) [Orsato (ITA)]
Lokomotiv Moscow - Juventus: BUQUET (FRA) [Millot (FRA)]

Interesting to see Turpin and Orsato as VARs.

 

I have trouble reconciling now that’s a punishable handball per the LOTG verbiage. His arm is low, within the frame of the body. I suppose you can say that it creates a barrier the ball can’t pass through.

 

Sorry, I am going to disagree here - there is no requirement in the LotG for a player to move his arm "out of the way" of the ball, and there has never been an instruction from FIFA, UEFA, or US Soccer/PRO as far as I am aware, that a defender is expected to do so.

As far as ECL/UEL goes. there are at least three clips on the new UEFA RAP material that show incidents that are as close as you could possibly get to this one, and they all say "NO INFRINGEMENT".

Sorry, in my book, I find it very difficult to agree with that decision.

 

Remember, part of the OFFICIAL, written explanation for the new wording of the LotG was that IFAB explicitly said that they did not want to see defenders having to "put their arms behind their back".

 

The shot received a deflection from Mazraoui. Without the deflection it doesn't hit his arm.

 

I know a lot happened in a short period of time, but IMHO Pulisic definitely tripped Blind and should have been whistled for a foul. I get Pulisic was going down after the (fair) shoulder charge, but he still tripped Blind.

One of the wildest matches I’ve ever watched. Great theater.

 

That whole incident is absolutely fascinating on so many levels.

Rocchi was 100% technically correct to send both players off. Both cards are correct in a classroom setting. They are textbook cautions.

Let's be honest, Blind was fouled by Pulisic prior, but that can happen to any referee. Sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't.

What's interesting is he might be the only referee in the world that would pull that off and show absolutely no hesitation there.

There is no way in hell that both players are getting sent off in an MLS game. Maybe Toledo or Elfath would go back and send Blind off for the tackle, but not the defender for the handling.

Most MLS referees probably wouldn't even go back and give either player a yellow if they weren't sitting on cautions. I know Jair Marrufo would eat both cards there after calling the penalty kick.

I'm pretty confident that most MLS referees wouldn't even give a yellow regardless if the defender is on a caution or not for the handling.

Same thing in the EPL. No way would that happen. Maybe Mike Dean might try and pull that off on a Bournemouth vs. Southampton game on a Tuesday night. But not on Chelsea vs. Man City.

Now how many elite CL referees over the past 10 years would do what Rocchi did? I could see Lahoz pulling something similar, probably Mallenco, maybe Brych and Cakir back in the day.

No way would you see the likes of Webb, Kuipers, Clattenburg, Skomina or Rizzoli do that.

As decisive and confident as Rocchi looked there, it's also probably why he never was able to quiet displace Rizzoli as Italy's #1 referee and get the level of assignments that Rizzoli did.

Rizzoli would never make such a controversial or "unnecessary" decision on an important CL match no matter how correct it is.

You just can't have a CL semi-final or World Cup semi-final be marked with a decision like that.

Rocchi is the same guy that sent off a player for sarcastically clapping at him 20 25 minutes into one of the biggest derby matches in the world and then followed it up by sending off his team for handling on a penalty kick.